Kumble

[Gambit]

Bowling avg in 3rd innings outside subcon: Australia - 51 England - 37 (not including this test) NZ - 64 RSA - 19 (WOAH!) WI - 31 Disappointing performance today.

[kumble_rocks]

Whatever !:whatchutalkingabout

[King Tendulkar]

whatever!

[sm332]

well most of those times it has been a one man battle ... today someone else stepped up for a change

[CC1981]

bowled rather rubbishly in this innings.

[gator]

i had mentioned about his screwed up overseas performance a week back and everyone was climbing alll over me.... he proved me right once again, not tht i am happy abt it... a 4th pitch with a lil variable bounce and sun shining and pressure of 280 runs behind... he couldnt buy a top order wicket for million dollars..... even Sarandeep singh would have got a wicket.... bottom line is, Kumble cannot perform overseas and nowadays he doesnt even tie up one end as he used to, cos he is very desperate to claim wickets overseas and thts not how kumble operates.... he cannot perform, when he is desperate for wickets.....

[Gambit]

i had mentioned about his screwed up overseas performance a week back and everyone was climbing alll over me.... he proved me right once again, not tht i am happy abt it... a 4th pitch with a lil variable bounce and sun shining and pressure of 280 runs behind... he couldnt buy a top order wicket for million dollars..... even Sarandeep singh would have got a wicket.... bottom line is, Kumble cannot perform overseas and nowadays he doesnt even tie up one end as he used to, cos he is very desperate to claim wickets overseas and thts not how kumble operates.... he cannot perform, when he is desperate for wickets.....

I agree with you gator. Kumble is cannot run through sides a la Javelin boy or Warne outside the subcon. His 5fers are usually tireless efforts conceding about 120 runs or so. One of the few blemishes in his stellar career.

[Sanjeev]

To be fair to him, it wasn't really a spinner's wicket today.

[Predator_05]

To be fair to him' date=' it wasn't really a spinner's wicket today.[/quote'] Exactly. ...and Kumble still came out of this match with 6 wickets. Yeah, i'll take that.

[King]

Why should in the very first place Anil be compared to Murali or Warnie? As if we have other 10 that are the best in the world in their department. It's quite silly to compare Anil to Warnie and Murali in the first place. As for his bowling, check the number of wickets this test series so far and stop fine graining the stats to discredit him. Now check the live stats for the test series :

India bowling averages      Player   Mat   Overs   Mdns   Runs   Wkts   BBI   BBM   Ave   Econ   SR   5   10   Ct   St        
[URL="http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/player/28779.html"]SC Ganguly[/URL]   2   23.0   7   57   2   1/11   1/24   28.50   2.47   69.0   0   0   0   0      
[URL="http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/player/30102.html"]Z Khan[/URL]   2   94.2   25   275   15   5/75   9/134   18.33   2.91   37.7   1   0   0   0       
[URL="http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/player/30176.html"]A Kumble[/URL]   2   77.3   9   266   9   3/32   6/136   29.55   3.43   51.6   0   0   0   0       
[URL="http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/player/35280.html"]RP Singh[/URL]   2   61.3   15   225   10   5/59   7/117   22.50   3.65   36.9   1   0   1   0       
[URL="http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/player/34274.html"]S Sreesanth[/URL]   2   71.0   20   205   4   3/67   3/129   51.25   2.88   106.5   0   0   0   0       
[URL="http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/player/35320.html"]SR Tendulkar[/URL]   2   12.0   0   48   0   -   -   -   4.00   -   0   0   3   0

Anil Kumble has had rough tour before this one and averaged over 45. Now he has made certain amendments and we all know the pitch favoured the faster bowlers more than the spinners. Look at Monty's figures :

England bowling averages      Player   Mat   Overs   Mdns   Runs   Wkts   BBI   BBM   Ave   Econ   SR   5   10   Ct   St         
[URL="http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/player/8608.html"]JM Anderson[/URL]   2   84.2   17   265   8   5/42   7/125   33.12   3.14   63.2   1   0   1   0       
[URL="http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/player/10772.html"]PD Collingwood[/URL]   2   20.0   4   74   1   1/59   1/59   74.00   3.70   120.0   0   0   1   0       
[URL="http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/player/18655.html"]MS Panesar[/URL]   2   67.5   18   186   6   4/101   4/101   31.00   2.74   67.8   0   0   0   0       
[URL="http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/player/20187.html"]RJ Sidebottom[/URL]   2   78.0   20   185   7   4/65   6/107   26.42   2.37   66.8   0   0   0   0       
[URL="http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/player/21650.html"]CT Tremlett[/URL]   2   81.0   26   184   7   3/52   4/104   26.28   2.27   69.4   0   0   1   0       

In fact Anil Kumlbe has 9 wickets, more than any of the England bowlers.

[Gambit]

Sorry Ravi. I know you love the guy but his performance today was pathetic. I'm not saying we've got 10 spinners better than Kumble at home. I'm not saying he should be dropped. All I'm saying is that, he cannot run through sides outside the subcon as regularly as the other two can. And a comparison is inevitable because the three(now two though) are the leading spinners in the world.

[yoda]

yes, he is rubbish overseas bowler with pathetic stats to support the claim as opposed to mindless rhetoric:

[B]Filter[/B]: (most recent 10 matches), at the opposition's home.
[B]Sort order[/B]: chronological.
[FONT=MONOSPACE,COURIER NEW,COURIER]Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv 100  50   W    BB  BowlAv 5w  Ct St

unfiltered           116  2064  88   17.05   0   4 555 10/74   28.66 33  52  0
filtered              10   172  45   13.23   0   0  45  6/78   27.51  1   4  0
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[Gambit]

LOL. gator, you were right. One simply cannot criticise Kumble here. The mob is going to lynch me. :hysterical: yoda, what is the point of posting those stats? Didn't you read what I said?

he cannot run through sides outside the subcon as regularly as the other two can.

[yoda]

I was referring to:

"i had mentioned about his screwed up overseas performance"

Seems like you were only too eager to agree with those comments.

[living]

I made a thread stating Kumble was no longer India's best spin option. And today's disappointing show has proved me right again. Ravi keeps posting useless stats. Kumble got the tail enders. I know someone has got to get them, but my point in the thread was that Kumble is NOT PENETRATIVE. People kept talking about Strauss's lords 1st innings wicket, however everyone knows he just gifted his wicket. Cricinfo should run stats on how many wickets that Kumble has are top order wickets - that would be very interesting.

[Predator_05]

I made a thread stating Kumble was no longer India's best spin option. And today's disappointing show has proved me right again. Ravi keeps posting useless stats. Kumble got the tail enders. I know someone has got to get them, but my point in the thread was that Kumble is NOT PENETRATIVE. People kept talking about Strauss's lords 1st innings wicket, however everyone knows he just gifted his wicket. Cricinfo should run stats on how many wickets that Kumble has are top order wickets - that would be very interesting.

What garbage. So tail-ender wickets don't count ? :haha: Wasim Akram will be devastated to hear that... ...and pray tell, who do you think is India's "best spin option" ?

[living]

Sorry Ravi. I know you love the guy but his performance today was pathetic. I'm not saying we've got 10 spinners better than Kumble at home. I'm not saying he should be dropped. All I'm saying is that' date=' he cannot run through sides outside the subcon as regularly as the other two can. And a comparison is inevitable because the three(now two though) are the leading spinners in the world.[/quote'] We have bhajji. Too bad selectors are getting confused between tests and one dayers. He wasting time taking wickets for Surrey running through county sides. I just hope he makes a strong comeback.

[Gambit]

I was referring to:

Seems like you were only too eager to agree with those comments.

Do you deny that overall he has been abysmal outside the subcon?

[yoda]

I made a thread stating Kumble was no longer India's best spin option. And today's disappointing show has proved me right again. Ravi keeps posting useless stats. Kumble got the tail enders. I know someone has got to get them, but my point in the thread was that Kumble is NOT PENETRATIVE. People kept talking about Strauss's lords 1st innings wicket, however everyone knows he just gifted his wicket. Cricinfo should run stats on how many wickets that Kumble has are top order wickets - that would be very interesting.

he got gayle and sarwan in the first test against WI.

[yoda]

Do you deny that overall he has been abysmal outside the subcon?

NO, especially recently, hell NO. He was our leading bowler against WI, took a 4-fer and 2 3-fers against SA and has 2 3-fers here. All wickets count, top/middle and bottom orders. We have been burnt by tails often.