seedhi Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Sushma Swaraj has an impeccable record in Lok Sabha elections - she even ran Sonia Gandhi close on a one month notice.She is not a mass leader by any stretch of imagination. A lady Manmohan Singh would be a bit of an insult to her, but only a bit.
adi B Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 we are again going merry go round in this thread by comparing advani and modi
seedhi Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 only the Modi supporting workers don't want him. Others in the party (especially many of the senior leaders) believe that he is still very much in the race for PM. Also' date=' irrespective of what Modi thinks, BJP needs Advani's experience and his acceptability among the allies.[/quote']The whole cadre of the BJP is behind Modi. Nominating Advani for PM is suicide for the BJP, like giving the Congress a walkover. He is a tried and tested failure who has no support from the majority of the workers of his own party.
Sachin=GOD Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 The whole cadre of the BJP is behind Modi. Nominating Advani for PM is suicide for the BJP' date= like giving the Congress a walkover. He is a tried and tested failure who has no support from the majority of the workers of his own party. who said anything about nominating Advani for PM? I'm talking about a post poll scenario.
seedhi Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Therefore' date=' Advani failed in 2009 and hence will fail in 2014 is a fallacy. These 5 years are poles apart in terms of the situation.[/quote']The situation for Advani is even worse now, at least the BJP cadre campaigned for him then, today the ordinary BJP worker will probably not even campaign for Advani.
The Outsider Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 She is not a mass leader by any stretch of imagination. A lady Manmohan Singh would be a bit of an insult to her' date=' but only a bit.[/quote'] I was correcting you about not being able to win elections. As for mass leader, neither has Modi shown anything outside Gujarat and the internet to be considered one. BJP won a grand total of 30-35 out of 180 seats he campaigned in last time and have been trounced in every assembly election he has campaigned in.
Crookbond Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 The man is not even a popular man in the party and you expect him to win an election for the party. Can any general who doesn't have the support of his own army lead it to victory ? The same way how a certain man is not popular outside one state (repeatedly lost multiple elections) and he's supposed to lead the party to victory in the national elections.
seedhi Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 The same way how a certain man is not popular outside one state (repeatedly lost multiple elections) and he's supposed to lead the party to victory in the national elections.He has not stood for any elections outside his state. And the surveys are unanimous, he is the most popular choice for PM.
seedhi Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 I was correcting you about not being able to win elections.Well, she did lose to Sonia Gandhi and has only otherwise contested from relatively safe seats. Last time the Congress did not put up a candidate against her. As for mass leader, neither has Modi shown anything outside Gujarat and the internet to be considered one. BJP won a grand total of 30-35 out of 180 seats he campaigned in last time and have been trounced in every assembly election he has campaigned in.He has not stood for elections outside his state. The surveys suggest that he is the most popular choice for PM by a long margin.
The Outsider Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Well, she did lose to Sonia Gandhi and has only otherwise contested from relatively safe seats. Even Modi will not be able to defeat Sonia Gandhi in most seats outside Gujarat. Losing to Sonia Gandhi means nothing. As for safe seats, every major politician stands from safe seats. He has not stood for elections outside his state. The surveys suggest that he is the most popular choice for PM by a long margin. But he has campaigned outside the state multiple times. That for me is a bigger indicator of mass leadership than surveys.
Sachin=GOD Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Narendra Modi will lose now to win hereafter, in Biblical style Friday, Jul 19, 2013, 18:59 IST | Agency: IANS Have they fallen in line with the Goa decision because they have realized that Modi is not the party's prime ministerial candidate for 2014? When the monsoon session of parliament opened in August 2010, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh invited opposition leaders for dinner. The BJP declined because central agencies were proceeding against Gujarat Home Minister Amit Shah. This stand instilled great fear in the ranks of the treasury benches. Note how the BJP rallied behind Narendra Modi, the rising star. Such was the state of funk in the ruling party that the monsoon session passed without Amit Shah’s name being mentioned even once. For this act of grace, there was repayment in kind. Foreign Policy, Palestine, Economy, Nuclear Liability, forward trading in food grains, Kashmir, even Pakistan - all these issues remained uncontested. That was then. Last week, there was something of a deja vu. Outlook magazine had a bold cover story: “UPA’s Rs.54,500 crore Gas Rip-off”. That was not all. The three deck headline rested on another line in bold fonts: “And the BJP’s Shocking Silence”. How “shocking” BJP’s silence is on this and other issues - for instance, the list on which Foreign Direct Investment has been most generously allowed - will become clear in the coming monsoon session. Today Modi is not just a rising, but a risen star. If coordination between major parties is the name of the game, it would be appropriate to understand the level of coordination for all round benefit. All round benefit means benefit to India Inc headquartered in Mumbai, Congress, BJP and the multinationals who have gauged India as a trillion dollar market which could be utilised for global economic recovery, after which we may have time to consider the Indian People too. It is elementary that Modi is no coalition builder. Since only a coalition, a UPA-III or an NDA-II, are possible after the 2014 general elections, why is Modi being projected? And what is he being projected as? There is an Urdu expression, “mubham” or “vague” which does not quite convey the meaning. French drivers have a vivid expression for dusk, “neither wolf nor dog”. The BJP has not announced Modi as the prime ministerial candidate. He is the chief of the party’s campaign panel, a position earlier held by Pramod Mahajan and Arun Jaitley. And yet, there he goes flying, higher and higher, on the winged horse called the media. Shikar or hunting is out of fashion in India but the sport offers an interesting insight on current politics. The easiest bird to shoot is the one in flight. Place Modi in that analogy, and he makes for an easy target for all the party leaders who threw a ginger fit at his elevation in the Goa conclave. Gaining height prematurely is risky politics. It is also something of a puzzle, though, that all the leaders who had trooped into L.K. Advani’s Prithviraj Road residence, imploring him not to resign and who established instant contact with RSS supremo Mohan Bhagwat to intervene and restore the balance away from Modi, have, one by one, fallen in line with the elevation given to the Gujarat strongman. Have they fallen in line with the Goa decision because they have realised that Modi is not the party’s prime ministerial candidate for 2014? A serious candidate for the top job will have to be a coalition builder, one who can deliver NDA-II. This Modi certainly is not. What is he then? A Mahatma in the making because he is indifferent to power? That would be the implication if he is indifferent to coalitions. A leader of ideological purity, one who calls a spade a spade, who does not obsequiously discard the puppy image when referring to Muslims, whose larger than life posters in Mumbai proudly proclaim him as a “Hindu Nationalist”? Since 2007, just before the assembly elections, Modi’s Public Relations has been globally managed by APCO Worldwide which boasts of former US ambassador to New Delhi, Timothy Roemer, as a hands on manager with offices in Mumbai and New Delhi. APCO has an impressive record of servicing dictators like Sani Abacha in Nigeria, for instance. APCO’s extraordinary projection of Modi could well polarize the national mood and yet augment the UPA’s vote share in the short run. By this logic, UPA-III seems to be the emerging outcome in 2014. Which will be fine for the corporates and their multinational links provided key enabling legislation are pushed through parliament by the two parties. Another reason why Modi’s support team have been able to impose a fait accompli on the BJP is because of an acute fear that Modi and his Sancho Panza will, sooner or later, trip up in the course of investigations under way in Gujarat. Modi’s fall will then be the BJP’s fall too. But if Modi is allowed to fly high on a platform of Hindu nationalism, his being grounded will be blamed on intrigue by the forces of “pseudo secularism”. This pits Modi as an embodiment of an idea shaded in dark saffron, projected in Presidential style, against the secular formations, pale and wan, poised precariously on a rickety Parliamentary platform. The real battle, then, is not being envisaged for 2014 but more like 2016. A senior commentator on political and diplomatic affairs, Saeed Naqvi can be reached on saeed.naqvi@hotmail.com http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1863143/comment-narendra-modi-will-lose-now-to-win-hereafter-in-biblical-style
Crookbond Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 He has not stood for any elections outside his state. And the surveys are unanimous' date=' he is the most popular choice for PM.[/quote'] Precisely, the point - since has not stood for any elections outside his state; from whatever data we have - he's a failure. You can't selectively extrapolate.
The Outsider Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Have they fallen in line with the Goa decision because they have realized that Modi is not the party's prime ministerial candidate for 2014? I am still not sure whether they will project him officially as a PM candidate. It will be uncomfortable for the BJP to chuck him out after the elections when they need allies.
Sachin=GOD Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 I am still not sure whether they will project him officially as a PM candidate. It will be uncomfortable for the BJP to chuck him out after the elections when they need allies. the leadership situation in the BJP is now similar to the Cong - whether they announce it or not, everyone knows that the leaders are Modi and Rahul Gandhi for these 2 parties.
The Outsider Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 the leadership situation in the BJP is now similar to the Cong - whether they announce it or not' date=' everyone knows that the leaders are Modi and Rahul Gandhi for these 2 parties.[/quote'] Congress situation is not very clear. There is a chance of Rahul Gandhi becoming the PM, but there is also a chance that they might wait one more election if they win the elections. And if BJP gets decent numbers, without announcing Modi officially, they will chuck him to get allies. They've been out of power for way too long to show loyalty to Modi over power.
adi B Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 congress wont announce their PM candidate b4 elections..RG is not a sure name
Sachin=GOD Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 News coming in right now - BJP sets up 20 committees to focus on various aspects of electioneering for next Lok Sabha polls. for the first time in its History BJP has formed so many committees to look after al aspects of the election. Modi is in the habit of having absolute control over every single thing in the elections he has managed in Gujarat - I think this is an effort by the BJP to prevent him from doing that nationally.
seedhi Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Precisely' date=' the point - since has not stood for any elections outside his state; from whatever data we have - he's a failure. You can't selectively extrapolate.[/quote']I am not extrapolating. I am saying that this metric is flawed. By this metric every leader of the BJP is a failure, because of the dismal failure of the party in 2009. The right way of interpreting the 2009 is that Advani was a failure as a PM candidate. Coupled with the fact that he is not even popular in his party today, his is totally ruled out as the 2014 candidate.
Sachin=GOD Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Congress situation is not very clear. There is a chance of Rahul Gandhi becoming the PM' date= but there is also a chance that they might wait one more election if they win the elections. And if BJP gets decent numbers, without announcing Modi officially, they will chuck him to get allies. They've been out of power for way too long to show loyalty to Modi over power. Irrespective of that, its pretty clear that Rahul will have the remote control even if he doesn't become the PM so he is the leader. most certainly.
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