The Narendra Modi thread

[someone]

^^^ Again what are you after? Prevent, Control or correct ? You have to be decisive. Although I would credit you for at least getting some facts right. Unlike majority of the domestic + international media, who continue to use 2000-5000 Muslims killed in Gujarat riots. Again, you need to get your facts right, Modi did tackle the situation. And FYI, Modi also ask help from MP CM, who at that time was Digvijay for some policeman (standard procedures) but your Digvijay had refused, what does it say about him? Read the below article, hopefully you can get the right information now

[someone]

Let truth be known about Modi India was made to believe that Modi was complacent while riots seared Gujarat. Evidence indicates otherwise. The UPA government, on coming to power in 2004, put in place its most accomplished experts to meticulously draw up its corruption road map, which it succeeded in implementing with precision until the scams exploded in public space. Post-mortem reports of the 2G scam, the ISRO Devas deal, the Commonwealth Games fraud, to name a few, clearly establish this. I have no doubt that future historians will place the UPA in the same league as other plunderers of India, like Ghazni and the Pindaris. Another road map uppermost in the Congress agenda was towards the political assassination of Narendra Modi, and banishing him from India's political firmament forever, using the unfortunate post Godhra riots as a handle. Congress think tanks worked overtime to draw up a comprehensive, multifaceted strategy of slander, false accusation, governmental and non-governmental disinformation, Goebellesian lies, aimed at converting falsehood into belief among the general population, opinion leaders and influential intellectuals. The lies were to be simple and crisp; they were to be repeated ad nauseam to embed them firmly as truth in the public mind, the media and internationally. Puppets were to be created and nurtured to keep the fiction of Modi's involvement in the Godhra riots alive in the courts, in the media and in the minds of the people, through any lie or deception. Now that the SIT has completed its investigation, and submitted its report to the Supreme Court, it is time the nation and the world knew about the travesty of slander and lies that has been disseminated against Modi by the Congress through hired and unethical civil society organisations, such as Citizens for Justice and Peace headed by Teesta Setalvad, disgruntled officers like Sanjiv Bhatt, who made futile attempts to start an aggressive campaign against Modi 10 long years after the riots, and certain sections of the media. Today, the lid over the entire political conspiracy has blown, and the false testimony and machinations of Teesta Setalvad and Sanjiv Bhatt have been exposed. Let me inform the people of a few instances of deliberate disinformation against Modi, which gained huge currency during the last 10 years, backed by the malicious hate campaign, which the SIT investigation has proved to be completely false. 1. The country was made to believe that Modi sat complacent and inert while the riots were searing Gujarat. The evidence indicates otherwise. Immediately after the Godhra train burning, on the evening of 27 February 2002, the Gujarat Chief Minister summoned an emergency meeting of top ranking officials of the government, took steps to deploy the Rapid Action Force (RAF), State Reserve Police, local police at sensitive points. Since the army at Ahmedabad Cantonment had been called at the border in view of the attack on Parliament earlier, the Chief Minister requested the then Defence Minister telephonically on 28 February 2002 to immediately deploy army battalions to tackle the situation, which were deployed immediately. 2. The Congress, through its mouthpieces Teesta Setalvad and Sanjiv Bhatt maliciously fabricated a story, vigorously picked up by certain so called intellectuals and of course the anti national elements of our society, that Narendra Modi and the police administration conspired to carry out a pogrom by Hindus against Muslims and that the Gujarat riots were state sponsored. Undisputed statistics presented to the SIT show that in the first six days of the riots, 61 Hindus and 40 Muslims were killed in police firing. The death of any person in police firing is tragic. But does a police firing death toll with 60% casualties being Hindu indicate a pogrom by the state government against Muslims? The complaint of Zakia Jafri (filed at the behest of Teesta Setalvad) alleges that the riots that followed the Godhra train carnage were a conspiracy and a pogrom by the ruling party in Gujarat and its Chief Minister in which almost the entire administration was a co-conspirator. More particularly, they perpetrated a smear campaign that the Chief Minister had instructed the police officials not to interfere with or use force against the Hindus taking revenge against the Muslims. This allegation has not been supported by any evidence, except for the false testimony of Sanjiv Bhatt, which not only appeared suddenly after 10 years, but has also been demolished by positive evidence that he is lying. 3. Another canard led by Teesta Setalvad and other vested interest groups globally was that the Gujarat government and its police did not investigate rape cases. Evidence before the SIT establishes that this was pure fiction, that all rape complaints were being investigated and some convictions had already taken place. It also proved that Setalvad fabricated a false rape case in Naroda, which she alleged was not investigated, with the alleged victim herself denying it and also the eyewitness. Another gruesome fabrication spread by Setalvad about the tearing of a pregnant woman's stomach and lifting the foetus on the tip of the sword has been disproved by the SIT as false. On post mortem the foetus was found intact within the unfortunate dead lady who succumbed to burns during the riots, and was identified by her relatives. This is corroborated by the statement of the doctor who performed the post mortem. 4. While investigating the Gulbarg case, the SIT came across nearly 20 witnesses who came with their readymade typed statements and refused to videotape their statements, to which the SIT objected. When they did give their statements, they did not match the readymade statements, and also admitted to the SIT that the typed statements were given to them by Teesta Setalvad. 5. The Gujarat police had found on investigation that the Godhra train carnage was a conspiracy and what followed was a violent reaction to it. Teesta Setalvad, under tutelage of the Congress government, propagated to the world at large that the Godhra train carnage was accidental and the riots were a conspiracy supported by the Gujarat government. The Justice Banerjee Committee report claiming the Godhra train burning to be an accident was held illegal by the High Court of Gujarat. The SIT also rejected the accident theory, and found on reinvestigation that the Godhra carnage was indeed a conspiracy to burn and bake the unwary passengers and the riots were a reaction. This fact is now judicially established in the trial of Godhra incident by the sessions judge appointed by the then Chief Justice of Gujarat High Court as directed by the Supreme Court. The very fact that one of the principal accused in the Godhra carnage is now a fugitive in Pakistan, with an Interpol Red Corner Notice, clearly reveals how the conspiracy originated. So, another evil myth to poison the minds of the people of our country against Modi has been disproved by a series of judicial findings. 6. It is now widely known that the entire anthology of false and gruesome stories brought to the notice of the Supreme Court by mainly Citizens of Justice and Peace, the NGO headed by Teesta Setalvad, on the basis of which the Supreme Court appointed the SIT itself, were found by the SIT to be false. Modi bashing, Modi defamation became a lucrative industry and a blood sport during the last 10 years. Appropriate recruitments were done, the Goebbelsian strategy that if you repeat a lie a thousand times it will become a truth was used to the hilt. The Congress and Teesta Setalvad must have basked in their success until the SIT findings revealed not only the real truth to the world, but also exposed the lies of Setalvad and Sanjiv Bhatt, in tutoring witnesses, pressurizing them to give false affidavits, and providing false information to the SIT and the Supreme Court. Though still trying their best to attack the SIT, there is little they can do, as all statements of all witnesses are recorded under videography. 7. The enemies of India desperately tried to turn the unfortunate Gujarat riots into a global issue and grievously tarnish Gujarat and Modi through their strategy of repeating lies. But the same Europeans who had succumbed to Teesta Setalvad's pogrom and state sponsored riot theory in 2002, appear to have realised their mistake, and are now graciously making amends, not to mention the overtures made to Modi by the UK and the US. Well, the lengthy SIT process that involved thousands of witnesses and reams of evidence is over, and Modi has emerged unscathed. It is now time that the conspiracy against Modi and Gujarat should forcefully be informed to the general public, the "secular" intellectuals, the opinion makers and the media. http://www.sunday-guardian.com/analysis/let-truth-be-known-about-modi

[ganeshran]

^^^ Again what are you after? Prevent, Control or correct ? You have to be decisive. Although I would credit you for at least getting some facts right. Unlike majority of the domestic + international media, who continue to use 2000-5000 Muslims killed in Gujarat riots. Again, you need to get your facts right, Modi did tackle the situation. And FYI, Modi also ask help from MP CM, who at that time was Digvijay for some policeman (standard procedures) but your Digvijay had refused, what does it say about him? Read the above article, hopefully you can get the right information now

I used the official numbers. The actual stats are possibly higher than that. If Modi did his best (which I dont believe in the slightest) to both prevent and control the riots and it still resulted in 1000+ people being killed, then he failed miserably at it. This from a guy who is supposed to be a super efficient administrator No matter how you spin it, The Gujrat riots are a huge blot on Modi's resume. You only need to take your blinkers off to realize that.

[someone]

I used the official numbers. The actual stats are possibly higher than that. If Modi did his best (which I dont believe in the slightest) to both prevent and control the riots and it still resulted in 1000+ people being killed, then he failed miserably at it. This from a guy who is supposed to be a super efficient administrator No matter how you spin it, The Gujrat riots are a huge blot on Modi's resume. You only need to take your blinkers off to realize that.

You do not want to read the evidence presented or are afraid for some reasons. Till you do that, it's not possible to have any discussion with you on this matter. I also await for some evidence as well for you to prove your "opinion". Just don't go on repeating the same thing over and over without any logic.

[ganeshran]

You do not want to read the evidence presented or are afraid for some reasons. Till you do that' date=' it's not possible to have any discussion with you on this matter. I also await for some evidence as well for you to prove your "opinion". Just don't go on repeating the same thing over and over without any logic.[/quote'] Wait a second, are you thick or acting like it on purpose? Every single one of your posts has a common theme 1) A is biased 2) There is no evidence 3) This is hindsight All this while continuing to pass off unsubstantiated BS as 'facts'. Which of these facts is my 'opinion'?

[someone]

Wait a second, are you thick or acting like it on purpose? Which of these facts is my 'opinion'?

Is there something wrong with you? Show how Modi acted wrongly or was complacent in the riots. And open your eyes to the evidence and understand what Modi did to control and save lives. You are turning a blind eye on purpose and yet, talking about how to debate.

[ganeshran]

Is there something wrong with you? Show how Modi acted wrongly or was complacent in the riots. And open your eyes to the evidence and understand what Modi did to control and save lives. You are turning a blind eye on purpose and yet' date=' talking about how to debate.[/quote'] That is what I am saying. Even if your assertion that Modi did not deliberately look away, it still stands that 1000 people were killed on his watch and his government was incompetent to prevent it. And people want to entrust the running of the nation to a guy who was not able to contain a riot localized to one state?

[someone]

That is what I am saying. Even if your assertion that Modi did not deliberately look away, it still stands that 1000 people were killed on his watch and his government was incompetent to prevent it. And people want to entrust the running of the nation to a guy who was not able to contain a riot localized to one state?

Well, every government could have managed riots, security lapses, accidents better. But that does not mean that there was a deliberation and criminal intention. Any +1 person suffered by external causes could tell the government done better. For 26/11, will we regard MNS for being incompetent to prevent it and thus want him criminally charged? And, people of India selected him back for the new term. Modi has shown some admirable strengths and that's his USP which has helped him gain tremendous support. Trying to manipulate the past and alter basic facts of this riots is not the right way and it's about time, people realize the game played by Congress and couple of media groups. A lot of common man have been victims of that but with more information sources, there is also a growing number of people who are getting it right now. As there are many who had been critical of Modi but now understand the false propaganda played out.

[CSK Fan]

Well, every government could have managed riots, security lapses, accidents better. But that does not mean that there was a deliberation and criminal intention. Any +1 person suffered by external causes could tell the government done better. For 26/11, will we regard MNS for being incompetent to prevent it and thus want him criminally charged? And, people of India selected him back for the new term. Modi has shown some admirable strengths and that's his USP which has helped him gain tremendous support. Trying to manipulate the past and alter basic facts of this riots is not the right way and it's about time, people realize the game played by Congress and couple of media groups. A lot of common man have been victims of that but with more information sources, there is also a growing number of people who are getting it right now. As there are many who had been critical of Modi but now understand the false propaganda played out.

False propaganda? Please tell that to the victims of the riots. Muslim families whom I have personally interacted with. Of how the police never arrived or looked elsewhere because they had orders from the highest authorities not to save lives. Yes, so much of false propaganda to tarnish the innocent angel who is all our savior Yes of course the internet hindu warriors and the shrewd businessmen love him and they are the most vocal on the internet. I don't blame them one bit, in their place I would have done the same. He is definitely their savior and everything they stand for

[someone]

False propaganda? Please tell that to the victims of the riots. Muslim families whom I have personally interacted with. Of how the police never arrived or looked elsewhere because they had orders from the highest authorities not to save lives. Yes, so much of false propaganda to tarnish the innocent angel who is all our savior Yes of course the internet hindu warriors and the shrewd businessmen love him and they are the most vocal on the internet. I don't blame them one bit, in their place I would have done the same. He is definitely their savior and everything they stand for

Wow, that's some nonsense. Firstly, you do not know my religion beliefs. I could be from any religion and neither did I bring in your own religion beliefs into this debate. Have some decency.. And FYI, there are tons of Muslims who also love/support Modi, but I guess now you will treat them as "fake" Muslims? :giggle: And then, you are back to those classical phrases, Muslims victims. Till, you understand that there were Hindu victims who were murdered, it's pointless to discuss anything with you. Again FYI, there are tons of families and victims who do not blame Modi for the riots. And then there is documented evidence as seen above articles on what Modi actually did. And then another piece named Teesta Setalvad and her proven incorrect allegations together with tons of discrepancies. You need a reality check really.

[dial_100]

Doesnt matter if Hindus were victims or Muslim. Administration failed to save the lives of innocent people. 84 or 92, 68 or anything else, all doesnt matter. If people are desperate to compare BJP with Congress then we have 2 congress like parties. In that case it doesnt matter who leads us. Its the same thing. More and more people expect more from BJP than any other parties. Because many have given up on Congress. So they expect BJP should be different. I think Modi should give up administration after this term, let someone else take over as PM. Set high standard of moral.

[CSK Fan]

Wow, that's some nonsense. Firstly, you do not know my religion beliefs. I could be from any religion and neither did I bring in your own religion beliefs into this debate. Have some decency.. And FYI, there are tons of Muslims who also love/support Modi, but I guess now you will treat them as "fake" Muslims? :giggle: And then, you are back to those classical phrases, Muslims victims. Till, you understand that there were Hindu victims who were murdered, it's pointless to discuss anything with you. Again FYI, there are tons of families and victims who do not blame Modi for the riots. And then there is documented evidence as seen above articles on what Modi actually did. And then another piece named Teesta Setalvad and her proven incorrect allegations together with tons of discrepancies. You need a reality check really.

Sorry, which victims or families don't blame Modi? Don't make up stuff like these please no, am not talking of witnesses who were bought off or threatened and did a u-turn. Of course there were few hindu victims too, but the government was on their side and still is so they are getting all justice and protection Yes muslims in high places support him, what other choice do they have in a state completely run by Modi's writ? You call being a victim of brutal mass murder a classical "phrase"? Shows what exactly is in your heart here. So all calls made from Modi's office during riots are false? Modi's close aides having so many cases on them are false? Either Modi is complaisant in those things or he is the most blind, useless person ever put in charge of a state who didnt know what was happening under his nose. Your choice

[seedhi]

So all calls made from Modi's office during riots are false? Modi's close aides having so many cases on them are false? Either Modi is complaisant in those things or he is the most blind' date=' useless person ever put in charge of a state who didnt know what was happening under his nose. Your choice[/quote']You should read the SIT investigation report. It has established that during the riots there were no deliberate lapses or oversights by Narendra Modi. The police administration was overwhelmed in some parts of the state. As far as the pejoratives that you have liberally used to describe your opinion of Modi, by your logic they can be applied to even Sardar Patel and Nehru - far far more people died in riots under their watch, in addition to Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, Narasimha Rao - all these people were in charge when many more people died in riots than in Narendra Modi's rule in Gujarat.

[FischerTal]

You should read the SIT investigation report. It has established that during the riots there were no deliberate lapses or oversights by Narendra Modi. The police administration was overwhelmed in some parts of the state. As far as the pejoratives that you have liberally used to describe your opinion of Modi, by your logic they can be applied to even Sardar Patel and Nehru - far far more people died in riots under their watch, in addition to Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi, Narasimha Rao - all these people were in charge when many more people died in riots than in Narendra Modi's rule in Gujarat.

logic.....saaar it doesnt work with some people :secret:

[FischerTal]

Sorry' date=' which victims or families don't blame Modi? Don't make up stuff like these please no, am not talking of witnesses who were bought off or threatened and did a u-turn. Of course there were[b'] few hindu victims too, but the government was on their side and still is so they are getting all justice and protection Yes muslims in high places support him, what other choice do they have in a state completely run by Modi's writ? You call being a victim of brutal mass murder a classical "phrase"? Shows what exactly is in your heart here. So all calls made from Modi's office during riots are false? Modi's close aides having so many cases on them are false? Either Modi is complaisant in those things or he is the most blind, useless person ever put in charge of a state who didnt know what was happening under his nose. Your choice

few hindu victims....try 400 , not to mention 59 of them were burned in a train compartment.

[1983-2011]

Not only Advani, 10 more reasons why Modi will find it hard to move to Delhi Hard to say of the country but there is a lot of unrest within the BJP and hardcore supporters of Gujarat CM Narendra Modi. Slogans of 'Modi for PM' are gaining pitch. But nowadays, no one becomes the prime minister of India just on the basis of slogans. Gone is the era when Indira Gandhi would get on to the dais in a khadi sari and mouth slogans like 'Garibi Hatao' and people would see a messiah. But Modi and his team are bent on proving that the messiah of changing India, the democracy, is him. This noise is also outside the party -- in cyber space. But beyond this din are some questions - 10 questions - answers to which Modi supporters have to look for. Without these answers, Narendra Modi can never become the prime minister of India.

1. BJP needs 272 seats in Lok Sabha 272 is the number the BJP could not achieve even when there was the noise of 'Abki bari Atal Bihari' in 1998 and 1999. These were the two years when there was a BJP-led NDA government at the Centre. In 1998, the BJP fought from 388 seats and won 182 seats. A year later, riding the wave of the Kargil victory and the sympathy of losing the confidence motion in the Lok Sabha by one vote, the BJP assigned more seats to allies. The BJP contested 339 seats and again won 182 seats. Now let's talk about the last elections -- that is 2009. In it, after contesting on 433 seats, the BJP only managed 116 seats. Now the question is this, not only will Modi have to maintain this performance in the next election but also increase the numbers by one-and-a-half times. This is next to impossible. 2. No one wants to come along The other hurdles in Modi becoming the PM are his image and politics. Vajpayee became the prime minister only after he found new allies in several states and made the NDA family big, very big. But in the final year of his regime, most partnerships broke down. Only Akali Dal, JD-U and the Shiv Sena have been left behind. The trouble ahead for the NDA is to again bring closer old friends. It is said that Modi has a good political relationship with Jayalalithaa. But Amma hasn't yet made her stand clear. Naveen Patnaik is also firm on his stand of Ekla Chalo (walk alone) these days. Nitish's hatred is known to all. Mamata is worried about Muslim voters in West Bengal. If we talk about some new allies, the NCP is mired in allegations of corruption. The National Conference cannot get out of the Congress lap since its region has its own politics. So when they will not be able to make partnerships, will comments, shares and likes on Facebook make Modi the PM? 3. With so much infighting in the house, how will Modi play his innings? This is a house of 10 heads. No one might be openly stepping out against Modi for the time-being but Advani, Shivraj and the Sangh Parivar have signalled on and off that the one-man show won't work. Leaders like Sushma Swaraj may feel that though she has been in central politics for two decades and has mass appeal, a state leader is staking claim when it is time for the top post. The point to be noted is that Sushma has never called Modi the party's most popular leader. Arun Jaitley, who once used to be Modi's Chanakya, is busy uprooting him, albeit with the calm of a lawyer. Rajnath is singing the Modi song but his existence and rise in the party has only been due to this. And the heaviest among them all, the eldest in the house, Advani, who has fallen silent for the time-being, has not missed the race yet. To encourage him stands a long battalion of dissatisfied party soldiers such as Gadkari and Sanjay Joshi. So till the time Modi becomes a non-controversial leader like Vajpayee in the party, how can he become the leader of the nation? 4. Remember what Nitish said If you want to do politics in the country, you cannot stay away from skullcap and tilak. The chief minister of Madhya Pradesh knows this. He meets people on Eid, goes to see off Hajjis and pays for nikah from government funds. But Modi just doesn't agree to do these. He has made it clear time and again that he believes more in building up the image of a strict administrator than change his image among Muslims. Whether the reason is the post-Godhra riots or image, the Muslim in this country becomes alert whenever he hears Modi's name. Most of them feel that if Modi comes to power, the entire country will become like Gujarat for them. There will always be a shadow of fear and suspicion. Therefore, the moment Modi's bid for the post is announced, Muslim voters in India will work on only one agenda - defeat Modi. Whoever looks capable of defeating the BJP candidate will stand to gain votes. 5. Party has no answers in Uttar Pradesh The BJP began sinking in Uttar Pradesh after 1998. Kalyan Singh was the chief minister and Rajnath Singh was busy sowing every possible thorn in his path. Kalyan Singh was so ostracised that after a year, he began plotting the defeat of the party while being the chief minister! As a result, the party's 57 MPs were reduced to 29. Kalyan Singh was expelled from the party and after Ramprakash Gupta, Rajnath became CM. He made a lot of announcements, a lot of promises but the party's Assembly seats in UP were reduced to 88. Rajnath came to the centre as minister and in 2004, BJP's condition deteriorated further. The situation now is such that the party is desperate to cross 10 seats in UP. A party that has the most Lok Sabha seats in UP used to claim that they ran the country. But the BJP is still in a bad shape in UP. Here, it is filled with spent leaders for whom it will be enough if they retain their seats. All of them are busy maneouvring with each other. In this scenario, if there is no answer in the BJP to politics in Uttar Pradesh, then the Delhi Durbar will just remain a dream. 6. The party only gets a zero in the south BJP loves the word 'south'. In ideological debates, it is called a south-leaning party or a right-wing party. But nothing is right for the BJP in the country's south. We saw the debacle in Karnataka. In Andhra Pradesh, a grassroots leader like Bandaru Dattatreya was sidelined to make way for Venkaiah Naidu, a leader with the Delhi stamp. It lost an ally like the Telugu Desam. Whenever it found some ground in Tamil Nadu, it was on partnerships. For now, the party is empty-handed in the state. Due to the blank slate in the south, the party will not be able to have a pan-India presence allowing it to knock on the doors of 7 Race Course Road even if it does well in the north. 7. Coalitions and policies won't work with one-man show Modi supporters will say the entire analysis is negative and won't concede. Ok, let's accept one of the contentions and assume that Modi will bring gains to the BJP, gather allies and get to the seat of power. Now the question is that after coming to power, it is even more difficult to run a government with partners. Vajpayee learnt these lessons after stumbling twice. In 1996, after taking oath, he couldn't manage allies and had to resign in 13 days. In 1998, he managed allies and the government ran for 13 months. Then Subramanian Swamy's tea party happened where Amma met Sonia and the pawns were scattered. After this, the party could not manage the numbers and fell short by one vote in the no-confidence motion. These were the lessons Vajpayee remembered in 1999 and despite all the difficulties, his flexible political stance succeeded and allies could not engineer another no-confidence motion. But Modi is a one-man show; he is stiff, not flexible. When he could not match steps with people in his own party, how will he shepherd allies who keep changing as dictated by regional politics? 8. No experience whatsoever of parliamentary politics Till now, we had been talking about external things. Now let us look at Modi's experience in Parliament. Vajpayee got to Parliament in the 1950s from UP's Balrampur. Other than a few breaks, he was in Parliament till 2004. Advani too has decades of parliamentary experience. The same thing can be said about Sushma, Jaitley and other central leaders. But Narendra Modi has seen Parliament only from the visitor's gallery. Maneouvring, floor management and turning the direction of debates in Parliament is not as easy as addressing rallies. Modi has no experience of parliamentary politics. This fact goes well against him. Those who have long experience in Parliament can fill even Modi with fear. 9. Has he won anything outside Gujarat? Narendra Modi is the lion of Gujarat. Not only his supporters, we also believe this. After all, winning three Assembly elections on the trot is not a joke. But what about outside the state? Has the BJP been able to come to power in any other state using the Modi name? Will it be able to do so in the future? There is no answer to this. If we talk about the upcoming elections, in Rajasthan, the BJP is not dependent on Modi but Vasundhara. The party high command has given her a free hand and she would not like any interference. Shivraj too does not think of himself any less than Modi. Raman Singh too has been the CM since the time Modi became one. Delhi is the only state where Modi can openly play his cards. But the Aam Admi Party is here to spoil the game. This was the story of Assembly elections. In Lok Sabha elections, Modi will have a tougher task. Those projecting Modi for PM should answer if the Gujarat CM has come up with any strategy for Lok Sabha polls and what did it result in. 10. The post-Godhra riots taint yet to wash away Now let's talk about the one thing that raises the hackles of Modi supporters. The mark of Gujarat riots. Their own PM Vajpayee had said 'Rajdharma' (duty of governance) should have been followed. Modi moved ahead of Gujarat riots but the country remembers that he has never, till date, openly said that what happened in Gujarat should not have happened. The state government should have crushed the rioters with maximum force. Instead of this, those who were opposed to the riots were slowly sidelined. Nothing will happen by flexing muscle or remaining silent. Because the country is still seeking answers from the Congress for the anti-Sikh riots of 1984. Sikhs are still furious with the Congress though the party has made a Sikh the PM. Modi does not even view the riots a taint, how will he apologise for it and as long as the riots besmirch his image, he will lack one strategic move in electoral fights.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/10-reasons-why-narendra-modi-can-never-become-pm/1/278913.html

[someone]

^^^^:hysterical:

The hypocrisy of Narendra Modi’s detractors More than anything else, our attitudes to Narendra Modi tell us more about ourselves and our hypocrisies than about him. The bland fact is Modi is Modi, a unique human being like any one of us, with his human strengths and failures. It is now the done thing to say that he is “controversial” or “polarising”, but these terms should apply to us rather than him. It is those who dislike him who make him controversial or polarising; for the rest of us he is either invigorating or a put-off. We react to Modi because of who he is. We don’t react as much to those who stand for nothing. Let’s therefore take a close look at the proposition that Modi is “controversial” or “polarising” by examining the three main things that are held against him by his detractors. The first criticism is about 2002 and his reluctance to express enough contrition or offer apologies for the riots and killings that happened under his watch. The second one is about his “arrogance”. The third one is about his claims about what he has achieved in Gujarat – a quality his detractors discovered only after he became a serious contender for power at the centre over the last two years. Modi-haters – not incorrectly – question his tendency to claim that everything good about Gujarat is because of him. But the difference is this: till about two years ago, they only despised him for 2002; now they want to despise him for everything. So, the first issue: 2002 and Modi. The objective facts are these: neither India nor Gujarat has been riot-free or communalism-resistant (for details, read here). On an average we have had one major communal conflagration almost every decade. Gujarat got it last in 2002. A decade later we had something nearly as bad in Assam. What made 2002 different was TV. What made Assam different from Gujarat was also TV – or the lack of it due to Assam’s relative inaccessibility to the media. But there was also an additional factor at work: the general media presumption of guilt when it is the BJP that’s involved. There’s a greater willingness to believe that communal incidents under Congress watch must be mere aberrations. The Congress benefits from our prior and well-entrenched beliefs about who is communal and who is not. Remove this presumption, and we would have forgotten 2002 as easily as we did 1984 and 2012. Those who refuse to believe this BJP-is-communal-Congress-is-secular line have an additional argument against Modi: his unwillingness to apologise or express regret for the administrative failures in 2002. The counters to this argument are several. Has the Gandhi family apologised for even 1984, leave alone all the scores of riots that happened from 1947 to 1998, before the BJP came to power at the centre? Has any party, at state or centre, done so even now? CPM for Nandigram, the SP for the 8-10 minor riots in Uttar Pradesh after its return to power? An apology is relevant only when it is real – not something offered as a political concession. And this Modi has indirectly offered through the Sadhbhavna fasts and silent efforts to reach out to some Muslim groups in Gujarat. I suspect believe that these efforts to reach out may be more meaningful to Muslims than fake apologies and hypocritical behaviour. One should also notice another thing: it is only the card-carrying old-generation secularists who are making a song-and-dance about Modi’s non-apology, not today’s young who have other things on their mind than the legacy of Hindu-Muslim conflicts. Modi has reinvented himself by repositioning himself as a messiah of growth and governance, but the rest of the non-young are stuck in the past. The second point is about Modi’s arrogance. Even LK Advani’s praise for Shivraj Singh Chauhan’s humility – presumably to contrast it with Modi’s braggadocio – is intended to convey the importance of outward humility in a leader. Advani himself is this type of person. Atal Behari Vajpayee falls in this category. But we know where Advani ended up: as a loser. Despite being the architect of the Ayodhya movement, it was Vajpayee who became PM. This is typically the trait of the traditional – and usually older – Indian. Indians are paranoid about claiming success for several reasons. We worry about the evil eye (kahin nazar na lag jaaye). We worry about what people will think of us. We are wary about receiving compliments and the traditional way of dealing with praise is to demur and say (Yeh bhagwan ki kripa hai, or even better, turn it back on the person giving the compliments with Ye aap ki meherbani hai). Modi, despite his Hindutva image, is actually more like a western politician who is willing to make a pitch for himself, who is not afraid to claim success in this or that. He is unwilling to accept fake humility. What this tells us about ourselves is this. We are afraid of success, or about claiming credit for it. We would like to pretend modesty, and let others extol our virtues, which we can then bashfully deny and emphasise our humility. This is humbug and hypocrisy – which we are so fond of pointing out in others but not in ourselves. This is precisely why the young – who are unburdened by the need for excess modesty or humility – take to Modi while the old crib about his arrogance. The young have a sense of entitlement and impatience about getting things done. They have no problems with Modi’s alleged arrogance for the simple reason that they themselves would not like to be left behind by being timid or self-effacing. They know that nice guys finish last, and they do not agree with the values of their parents’ generation that you should hold yourself back and not be pushy. To use the phrase of Sheryl Sandberg, COO of Facebook, the young are more willing to “lean in” – which means thrusting yourself forward to grab opportunities and not be a shrinking lily. Sandberg’s “lean-in” advice is addressed to women in her book by the same name, as it is apparent that women hold themselves back despite obvious achievements. They feel guilty about claiming credit and think of themselves as frauds for doing so. But the description works well for old India – which holds itself back and is afraid to acknowledge success. Manmohan Singh typifies this attitude, and so does Advani – though, one must add, since 2004 both of them have much to be modest about. To the young, Modi is a lean-in leader. His attitude works for them. So when we decry Modi for his ambition and Nitish Kumar for opposing him, we are essentially describing ourselves – whether we prefer hypocrisy or confidence, lean-in or lean-back attitudes. The third point – about Modi claiming credit for things that are not directly attributable to his efforts – is intrinsically connected to the previous point. Lean-in leaders take advantage of the luck factor or circumstances that may have helped them succeed – and they don’t feel guilty about it. Lean-back leaders are too busy denying credit to take advantage of luck and a favourable environment. Let us be clear: Gujarat was always an entrepreneurial state, so Modi certainly cannot claim credit for all of the state’s performance. But is this not what all politicians do? Does the UPA not do the same? India’s growth upsurge began in 2003-04, under the NDA, but UPA claims all the growth as its work. It is now well-established that India has always ranked around 24-25 in terms of growth among emerging market economies. When the world grows faster, India does too. And vice-versa. This has held over the last two decades whether the country is run by the NDA or the UPA, according to Ruchir Sharma, head of emerging markets at Morgan Stanley Investment Management. So if you disbelieve Modi’s claim, you should disbelieve UPA’s too. But we don’t do that because we think Modi is arrogant while UPA is not. Once again, what we believe about Modi’s claims tells us more about ourselves than him. For example, why is it that we have to invent a Bihar or Madhya Pradesh growth model just to debunk Modi? Did anyone talk about a Bihar model before Modi started tom-tomming his Gujarat model? It was a clearly a reaction. For those who want to delink Modi from Gujarat’s performance here is one more poser: if Gujarat’s growth is not only Modi’s work (and I agree with that), why should we believe that Gujarat’s communalism is only his work? Why don’t we accept that communalism always lurked in Gujarat and elsewhere, and it only needed a trigger to set it off? Why do we also want to believe the Bihar story is about Nitish or Madhya Pradesh about Shivraj Singh Chauhan? Or even that “inclusive growth” is about UPA, when more jobs were created during the NDA regime than the UPA? To sum up: It’s not Modi who is polarising or arrogant or anything else. It is we who are polarised or arrogant or hypocritical about it, depending on our own predilections. 2014 will be an interesting election not because of Modi’s controversial nature, but because it will pit the old versus the young, the perpetually modest against the confident. The young see no need for false modesty; the old shrink prefer self-effacing behaviour. The young take success in their stride; the old are afraid to claim it. Let’s see which attitude wins. http://www.firstpost.com/politics/the-hypocrisy-of-narendra-modis-detractors-847029.html

[someone]

Sorry, which victims or families don't blame Modi? Don't make up stuff like these please no, am not talking of witnesses who were bought off or threatened and did a u-turn. Of course there were few hindu victims too, but the government was on their side and still is so they are getting all justice and protection Yes muslims in high places support him, what other choice do they have in a state completely run by Modi's writ? You call being a victim of brutal mass murder a classical "phrase"? Shows what exactly is in your heart here. So all calls made from Modi's office during riots are false? Modi's close aides having so many cases on them are false? Either Modi is complaisant in those things or he is the most blind, useless person ever put in charge of a state who didnt know what was happening under his nose. Your choice

That's another nonsense. You do love repeating your nonsense back and forth. The classical idea of Muslims victims itself already makes it a wrong start. Firstly, victims should not have been categorized and then Hindu victims have simply been disregarded. What does it say about your own secularism? And then you are back to another classical phrases, Muslims have no choices. For the last 11 years, the Congress gang and supporters like yourself have come up with ideas like if there is mass hunting going on for Muslims in Gujarat. WTF is that? Gujarat is one of the safest places for Muslims ( not just my words, but proper officials) and their Muslims have voted for Modi well. The SIT report is also there on what Modi actually did on the riots, so do not go on making your opinion as facts.

[someone]

Doesnt matter if Hindus were victims or Muslim. Administration failed to save the lives of innocent people. 84 or 92, 68 or anything else, all doesnt matter. If people are desperate to compare BJP with Congress then we have 2 congress like parties. In that case it doesnt matter who leads us. Its the same thing. More and more people expect more from BJP than any other parties. Because many have given up on Congress. So they expect BJP should be different. I think Modi should give up administration after this term, let someone else take over as PM. Set high standard of moral.

There is no politician ever who has been that much targetly demoralized as Modi. Everything he does has been demoralized even the way he talks, walks, moves. And then being compared to everything, monkeys, KKK, dogs. There is never a democratically elected candidate that has to go through such a systemically demoralization. He has been so much scrutinized, and yet he has never raised back any counters. He himself has willingly accepted those insults and even agreed to answer them lawfully like for long interrogation on Gujarat riots. Compare that with with tons of big politicians in the UPA government and how they are defended staunchly and simply do not even bother to appear to the law. Even the likes of Vadra who had nothing to do with UPA was powerfully defended. So don't talk about Moral responsibilities. Instead of hiding from all accusations like Soniaji/Rahul etc, Modi has at least personally tried to answer to those questions. And then despite all those investigations and SIT report concluding him of no wrong doing, he still gets the attacks. And even, the SIT report themselves were targeted and , those honest people team were humiliated by the Teesta Setalvad through Congress backing. So many external pressures were tried to influence that report. In insulting Modi, there has also been the campaign to insult the surrounding people. Gurajat itself, it's Hindus and Muslims, both have been targeted and a lot of strong accusations have been said about them, yet these people stood to remain quiet. Like how even today, Congress gang go on how Muslims are purposing being made to suffer daily, that's some crap and yet it's permitted and never questioned. Even people who are being not critical about Modi, are being thrown personal accusations, their beliefs, basically everything has been questioned about everybody involving Modi. Yet, despite 11 years of nonstop attacks, he has still continue to succeed and it's this which shows how good a leader he is and why he is getting so much support despite so many challenges. Check this video, it's a better summary of what I have said Mz3CjQBtyJc

[saneindian]

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