Is Dhoni greatest captain wicket keeper ever ?

[GautiMaan]

I've never seen so many occasions where a keeper let's a catch go to first slip as Dhoni does and if the first slip does not react it just flies through. 99% of catches between keeper and first slip should be attempted by the keeper.

I agree he sometimes stood too back and the ball flying between him and first slip too happens but consider his workload too,a guy who plays so many matches will have his flaws exposed more than the others

[The Outsider]

That's what we have - his words or his interpretation of things :haha: "More better than Dhoni" bandwagoners clutching at whatever straws they can lay their hands on and in some cases inventing stuff like "If Dhoni had stood closer to stumps in the 43rd over of the 2nd Test against England he would have been in a position to dive for a catch" :facepalm: I am sure these guys have done extensive analysis on the drops/chances given/how far wk stood for all the other intl wks :haha:

Yeah commentators were also clutching at straws throughout the England and Australian tours when they kept bringing up his shoddy technique and doing analysis segments on it. :hysterical:

[The Outsider]

I agree he sometimes stood too back and the ball flying between him and first slip too happens but consider his workload too' date='a guy who plays so many matches will have his flaws exposed more than the others[/quote'] Yeah, he has an insane workload but the answer to that is reducing workload not putting up with mediocrity.

[Crookbond]

I specifically remember commentators appreciating Dhoni's keeping during Australia 2008. You can have some off tours, can't you? :dontknow:

[Ultimate_Game]

Yeah commentators were also clutching at straws throughout the England and Australian tours when they kept bringing up his shoddy technique and doing analysis segments on it. :hysterical:

Yup the same commentators were also saying England is the greatest ever team, Cook the next Bradman etc. Technique is not be all and end all, esle Manjrekar would have ranked next to Bradman and players like Sehwag & Dhoni wouldn't have gone past gully cricket. But it's the performances which count and Dhoni's performances/stats are nothing to laugh about.

[The Outsider]

I specifically remember commentators appreciating Dhoni's keeping during Australia 2008. You can have some off tours' date=' can't you? :dontknow:[/quote'] And Tendulkar scored close to 500 runs on the Australian tour in 2008. What's the relevance of it? Point is if after sucking royally on the last two away tours as keeper, as batsman, and captain what confidence does he inspire for the South African tour in either department.

[The Outsider]

Yup the same commentators were also saying England is the greatest ever team, Cook the next Bradman etc. Technique is not be all and end all, esle Manjrekar would have ranked next to Bradman and players like Sehwag & Dhoni wouldn't have gone past gully cricket. But it's the performances which count and Dhoni's performances/stats are nothing to laugh about.

I am sure the opposition had some hearty laughs when the keeper was not attempting catches and slips were rendered ineffective by the amount of catches falling short of them specially off the slower pace of Praveen Kumar in England and Zaheer in Australia.

[The Outsider]

There may have been certain instances were MS Dhoni has allowed to let catches go through but have not other keepers dropp catches? Prior dropped catches during India's tour od England 2007. I also remember Boucher dropping Hussain in the famous Atherton-Donald Trent Bridge Test match. Gilchrist dropped a few catches too. Rod Marsh of all people was nick named "Iron Gloves". So this entire point of dropping catches seems moot to me. Also' date=' equating Dhoni's keeping skills to Dravid and using that to draw further inferences makes sense in some far away parallel universe of Deepak Chopra.[/quote'] The occasional drops are fine. Do you see me complaining about some occasional drop? Have I brought up his missed stumping in this test? These things happen in cricket. Everyone drops occasional catches. Dhoni's problem is beyond the occasional dropped catch and missed stumping. His keeping was a technical failure in England and Australia. Nothing to do with the occasional miss. Prior was dropped after that horrible tour of 2007.

[Ultimate_Game]

I am sure the opposition had some hearty laughs when the keeper was not attempting catches and slips were rendered ineffective by the amount of catches falling short of them specially off the slower pace of Praveen Kumar in England and Zaheer in Australia.

And I'm sure opponents will be sh**ing their pants seeing Saha in the team instead of Dhoni. I am sure if someone looks at Saha closely and puts him under as much scrutiny, he/she will be able to find dropped chances and fumbles as well.

[Lurker]

And I'm sure opponents will be sh**ing their pants seeing Saha in the team instead of Dhoni. I am sure if someone looks at Saha closely and puts him under as much scrutiny' date= he/she will be able to find dropped chances and fumbles as well.

That is just so hilarious :hysterical: Keeping comparisons not withstanding, I would find it very hard to beleive any top team in the world would be sh***ng their pants seeing Saha. :haha:

[The Outsider]

And I'm sure opponents will be sh**ing their pants seeing Saha in the team instead of Dhoni. I am sure if someone looks at Saha closely and puts him under as much scrutiny' date=' he/she will be able to find dropped chances and fumbles as well.[/quote'] I am not even talking about occasional dropped catches and fumbles. Make a better attempt to divert the topic next time.

[GautiMaan]

Yeah' date=' he has an insane workload but the answer to that is reducing workload not putting up with mediocrity.[/quote'] As long as the workload is there we will have to cut him some slack,atleast he should not keep for Csk but we both know its not gonna happen

[The Outsider]

As long as the workload is there we will have to cut him some slack' date='atleast he should not keep for Csk but we both know its not gonna happen[/quote'] Test cricket is not for cutting slack. There is a certain level of performance expected. If Dhoni is not able to maintain that level, he must cut down his workload or make way for someone else.

[Ultimate_Game]

I am not even talking about occasional dropped catches and fumbles. Make a better attempt to divert the topic next time.

Then what are you on about? Frankly if Dhoni was so poor he would have been widely lampooned by now the way Akmal was. Haven't seen anything of the sort. But to go on and on about the said "technical shortcomings" when the stats/performance show a different picture is being biased.

[Crookbond]

The occasional drops are fine. Do you see me complaining about some occasional drop? Have I brought up his missed stumping in this test? These things happen in cricket. Everyone drops occasional catches. Dhoni's problem is beyond the occasional dropped catch and missed stumping. His keeping was a technical failure in England and Australia. Nothing to do with the occasional miss. Prior was dropped after that horrible tour of 2007.

Lets agree on his abject performance in Australia & England . How about this series?

[The Outsider]

Then what are you on about? Frankly if Dhoni was so poor he would have been widely lampooned by now the way Akmal was. Haven't seen anything of the sort. But to go on and on about the said "technical shortcomings" when the stats/performance show a different picture is being biased.

The balanced posters here have had no problems in accepting that Dhoni's keeping was crap during the last two away tours. That is good enough for me. I don't intend to waste my time trying to convince someone who think Dhoni made two maternal "deliveries" of the World Cup and the Number 1 ranking for the nation.

[Crookbond]

Test cricket is not for cutting slack. There is a certain level of performance expected. If Dhoni is not able to maintain that level' date=' he must cut down his workload or make way for someone else.[/quote'] Hasn't he already said that? Also, do you think we have anyone to reduce the captain workload in Test matches?

[The Outsider]

Lets agree on his abject performance in Australia & England . How about this series?

Home performance has never been much of an issue with him. He keeps well to spinners, bats well on pattas, and is a decent captain for spinners. Question is what's going to happen in South Africa - a keeper clueless on fast pitches, a walking wicket, and a captain who lets opposition run away from scorelines like 120/8 and 27/4?

[Ultimate_Game]

The balanced posters here have had no problems in accepting that Dhoni's keeping was crap during the last two away tours. That is good enough for me. I don't intend to waste my time trying to convince someone who think Dhoni made two maternal "deliveries" of the World Cup and the Number 1 ranking for the nation.

Yeah sure, as if Mores and Mongias were winning us matches all over the world and bringing laurels to the country with their stellar performances and Dhoni comes along and brings us down single-handedly with his "poor technique" and poor wicket-keeping which somehow doesn't reflect in his stats :haha:

[Ultimate_Game]

Home performance has never been much of an issue with him. He keeps well to spinners' date=' bats well on pattas, and is a decent captain for spinners. Question is what's going to happen in South Africa - [b']a keeper clueless on fast pitches, a walking wicket, and a captain who lets opposition run away from scorelines like 120/8 and 27/4?

I wonder how come the walking wkt still averages in 30s away from home and better than all the wks India ever had :hmmm: Could the reason be he isn't as bad as you make him sound? Naah can't be coz plenty of experts agree on this forum that Dhoni is cr@p. To hell with actual stats & performances :giggle: