Would you pick me in your team?

[zubinpepsi]

765 runs at an average of 55 is "negligible contribution" ?

average doesnt really tell u everything. does it? it doesnt tell u how u against whom u scored in what pace n how much ur score was valuable

[Ram]

I knew this question will be asked.. Here are his last 25 games. I think one of them was washed out or something... Balls Faced Boundaries Remain Balls Scores Score 4-6 Total Score 1 104 10 94 30 42 72 2 54 6 48 13 26 39 3 6 0 6 2 0 2 4 24 3 21 6 12 18 5 75 4 71 24 18 42 6 22 1 21 9 4 13 7 99 7 92 43 30 73 8 112 10 102 46 42 88 9 29 7 22 4 28 32 0 23 0 23 7 0 7 11 114 8 106 53 36 89 12 129 4 125 50 16 66 13 74 6 68 30 28 58 14 72 6 66 24 24 48 15 79 7 72 32 30 62 16 82 9 73 30 38 68 17 25 1 24 9 4 13 18 110 14 96 36 62 98 19 44 5 39 11 20 31 20 8 0 8 2 0 2 21 21 3 18 7 12 19 22 28 3 25 8 12 20 23 10 1 9 1 4 5 24 45 2 43 18 8 26 1389 117 1272 495 496 991

I havent still got the answer to my question Are they from cricinfo ?

[yoda]

Will you drop me from the team ? If after my comeback , my team has won ODI series against Sri Lanka , West Indies , South Africa , Bangladesh and won one-off matches against Scotland and Ireland ? All this after my my team had a dreadful time of it before i made my comeback , losing badly against S.Africa and West Indies and performing poorly in the Champions trophy and in Malaysia .

before to deciding to NOT dump me, don't forget that all these wins came against depleted teams without Vaas, Murali, Pollock, Smith, ... and also, don't forget that i sucked big time in the world cup and was one of the primary reasons why we lost to the lowly banglastanis.

[zubinpepsi]

The opening post stat timeline is biased. It should be for the matches Ganguly has played since his comeback and not the last 25 matches.

does that make any difference..? mebe ur average mite get affected.. but not the strike rate.. it has gone to worse after his comeback..

[Ram]

average doesnt really tell u everything. does it? it doesnt tell u how u against whom u scored in what pace n how much ur score was valuable

Feel free to read this "Ganguly stats India batting first 98(110), SR - 89, India wins 13( 25) , SR - 52 , India wins 68(82) , SR - 83, India wins 55(129) , SR - 51 ,India loses 89(114) , SR - 78, India wins 13(22) , SR - 60 , India loses 39(54), SR - 72, india wins India batting second 62(79) , SR - 79, Target was 254 , India fell short by 4 runs , after being comfortably placed at 154/3 in 27 overs 46(76) , SR - 66 , Target 230 , India wins 58(74) , SR - 78, Target 260 , India wins 7(23), SR - 30, India loses 73( 99) , SR - 74, India wins 42(75) , SR - 56, India wins 18(24), SR - 75, India wins 2(3), SR - 66, India loses 72( 104) , SR - 70, India loses Ganguly combined strike rate in matches batting first Total runs - 375 Balls faced - 516 SR - 72.66 Ganguly combined strike rate in matches batting second Total runs - 390 Balls faced - 557 SR - 70.00 We have to take into account the match situations to get the real picture of Ganguly's SR Taking a reference 80 as a SR that is acceptable to most of us , lets look at all of Ganguly's innings with SR below that with a condition that he faced a minimum of 25 balls Number of innings Ganguly averaged a SR of below 80 - 11 Result of those matches - 9 wins , 2 losses So obviously , a majority of Ganguly's innings have been well paced ones , played according to the team's requirements. Even when he has been slow , his innings has ensured India's victory more often than not Please dont get carried away by stats in isolation. Looks at the larger picture."

[zubinpepsi]

Feel free to read this "Ganguly stats India batting first 98(110), SR - 89, India wins ... ..... Please dont get carried away by stats in isolation. Looks at the larger picture."

u conveniently removed against whom he scored and how his SR against quality teams and against minnows

[Ram]

before to deciding to NOT dump me, don't forget that all these wins came against depleted teams without Vaas, Murali, Pollock, Smith, ... and also, don't forget that i sucked big time in the world cup and was one of the primary reasons why we lost to the lowly banglastanis.

Depleted teams without Vaas , Murali ? What more reasons ? The stars were aligned that day ? Go ahead. Absolutely i was the sole reason for getting hammered by BD in world cup. When the rest of the top order crumble , i stay and hang on , only to see batsman around coming and going like parade and when my bowlers allow a 17 year old toddler to hammer them for a quickfire 50 that essentially sealed the match.

[Ram]

u conveniently removed against whom he scored and how his SR against quality teams and against minnows

I didnt conveniently remove anything , i just wanted to save your time. If you want the "complete" picture , here you go. "This is a comprehensive look at Ganguly's performance since his comeback West Indies jan 2007 Match 1 - India 338/3 batting first Ganguly - 98(110) - SR - 89 Match 2 - India 189 all out batting first Ganguly - 13( 25) , SR - 52 Match 3 - India 341/5 batting first Ganguly - 68(82) , SR - 83 Sri Lanka in India, Feb 2007 Match 1 - India 252 , batting second, fell short of target by 4 runs , after being comfortably placed at 154/3 in 27 overs Ganguly - 62(79) , SR - 79 Match 2 - India chase down target of 230 in 46 overs Ganguly - 46(76) , SR - 66 Match 3 - India chase down target of 260 Ganguly - 58(74) , SR - 78 World cup - 2007 Match -1 , Bangladesh - India scored 191 , BD chases it down with 9 balls to spare Ganguly - 55( 129) , SR - 51 Match - 2 , Bermuda , India scores 413 , Win by 257 runs Ganguly - 89(114) , SR - 78 Match -3 , Sri Lanka , India chases 255 , all out for 185 Ganguly - 7(23), SR - 30 India in Ireland Match - 1 , Ireland scores 170 , India chases it down with 15 overs to spare Ganguly - 73( 99) , SR - 74 India Vs South Africa Match 1 - India scores 241 , SA Chases it down with 3 balls to spare Ganguly - 13(22) , SR - 60 Match 2 - SA scores 226 , India chases it down with 5 balls to spare Ganguly - 42(75) , SR - 56 Match 3 - 31 over match , SA bats first , scores 151. India chase it down Ganguly - 18(24), SR - 75 ODIs Vs England Match 1 , England scores 288 , India A.O for 184 Ganguly - 2(3), SR - 66 Match 2 , India 329 , Win by 10 runs Ganguly - 39(54), SR - 72 Match 2 , England scores 280 , India fall short by 42 runs Ganguly - 72( 104) , SR - 70 Ganguly stats India batting first 98(110), SR - 89, India wins 13( 25) , SR - 52 , India wins 68(82) , SR - 83, India wins 55(129) , SR - 51 ,India loses 89(114) , SR - 78, India wins 13(22) , SR - 60 , India loses 39(54), SR - 72, india wins India batting second 62(79) , SR - 79, Target was 254 , India fell short by 4 runs , after being comfortably placed at 154/3 in 27 overs 46(76) , SR - 66 , Target 230 , India wins 58(74) , SR - 78, Target 260 , India wins 7(23), SR - 30, India loses 73( 99) , SR - 74, India wins 42(75) , SR - 56, India wins 18(24), SR - 75, India wins 2(3), SR - 66, India loses 72( 104) , SR - 70, India loses Ganguly combined strike rate in matches batting first Total runs - 375 Balls faced - 516 SR - 72.66 Ganguly combined strike rate in matches batting second Total runs - 390 Balls faced - 557 SR - 70.00 We have to take into account the match situations to get the real picture of Ganguly's SR Taking a reference 80 as a SR that is acceptable to most of us , lets look at all of Ganguly's innings with SR below that with a condition that he faced a minimum of 25 balls Number of innings Ganguly averaged a SR of below 80 - 11 Result of those matches - 9 wins , 2 losses So obviously , a majority of Ganguly's innings have been well paced ones , played according to the team's requirements. Even when he has been slow , his innings has ensured India's victory more often than not Please dont get carried away by stats in isolation. Looks at the larger picture. "

[yoda]

Absolutely i was the sole reason for getting hammered by BD in world cup.

Well, my specialty is smacking the minnows and rescuing us from these guys as I have done in the past. And I suck even in that now.

[Ram]

does that make any difference..? mebe ur average mite get affected.. but not the strike rate.. it has gone to worse after his comeback..

And for your information , that list has only ONE match against a minnow - Ireland Ganguly didnt play against B'desh and Scotland.

[Ram]

Well' date=' my specialty is smacking the minnows and rescuing us from these guys as I have done in the past. And I suck even in that now.[/quote'] Since my comeback into the Indian team , I have played 20 matches and only three of them have been against Minnow teams and in two of them , i top scored for my team. Sure i suck against Minnows.

[yoda]

Since my comeback into the Indian team ' date=' I have played 20 matches and only three of them have been against Minnow teams.[/quote'] That's fine. We are talking about the all important match against Banglastan. I used to be good against these minnows, especially in the 2003 world cup, but alas, not in 2007. Dump my sorry a$$ please.

[Ram]

That's fine. We are talking about the all important match against Banglastan. I used to be good against these minnows' date=' especially in the 2003 world cup, but alas, not in 2007. Dump my sorry a$$ please.[/quote'] If that argument were to hold , then what about the rest of the ten players in the match who distinguished themselves with outstanding performances ? They should be recommended for the Bharat Ratna shouldnt they ?

[yoda]

If that argument were to hold , then what about the rest of the ten players in the match who distinguished themselves with outstanding performances ? They should be recommended for the Bharat Ratna shouldnt they ?

I am the minnow specialist.

[dial_100]

Of last 8 games, he has faced, on an avg 36 deliveries, 3.5 deliveries to score 15.25 runs in boundaries 33.5 deliveries, he played to score 11.5 runs Total 20 deliveries wasted, in 36 he has played,

[Ram]

I am the minnow specialist.

" West Indies jan 2007 Match 1 - India 338/3 batting first Ganguly - 98(110) - SR - 89 Match 2 - India 189 all out batting first Ganguly - 13( 25) , SR - 52 Match 3 - India 341/5 batting first Ganguly - 68(82) , SR - 83 Sri Lanka in India, Feb 2007 Match 1 - India 252 , batting second, fell short of target by 4 runs , after being comfortably placed at 154/3 in 27 overs Ganguly - 62(79) , SR - 79 Match 2 - India chase down target of 230 in 46 overs Ganguly - 46(76) , SR - 66 Match 3 - India chase down target of 260 Ganguly - 58(74) , SR - 78" Oh yes i am !

[Ram]

Of last 8 games, he has faced, on an avg 36 deliveries, 3.5 deliveries to score 15.25 runs in boundaries 33.5 deliveries, he played to score 11.5 runs Total 20 deliveries wasted, in 36 he has played,

What are you trying to say ?

[dial_100]

I havent still got the answer to my question Are they from cricinfo ?

Yes off course.. CI.... solid stats boss... Sriram....no games heree... I dun manipulate things... I put them the way they are... fair and honest...its for everyone to see...

[zubinpepsi]

I didnt conveniently remove anything , i just wanted to save your time. If you want the "complete" picture , here you go. "This is a comprehensive look at Ganguly's performance since his comeback West Indies jan 2007 Match 1 - India 338/3 batting first Ganguly - 98(110) - SR - 89 Match 2 - India 189 all out batting first Ganguly - 13( 25) , SR - 52 Match 3 - India 341/5 batting first Ganguly - 68(82) , SR - 83 Sri Lanka in India, Feb 2007 Match 1 - India 252 , batting second, fell short of target by 4 runs , after being comfortably placed at 154/3 in 27 overs Ganguly - 62(79) , SR - 79 Match 2 - India chase down target of 230 in 46 overs Ganguly - 46(76) , SR - 66 Match 3 - India chase down target of 260 Ganguly - 58(74) , SR - 78 World cup - 2007 Match -1 , Bangladesh - India scored 191 , BD chases it down with 9 balls to spare Ganguly - 55( 129) , SR - 51 Match - 2 , Bermuda , India scores 413 , Win by 257 runs Ganguly - 89(114) , SR - 78 when the team score is 413 his SR 78...:giggle: Match -3 , Sri Lanka , India chases 255 , all out for 185 Ganguly - 7(23), SR - 30 when chasing 255 SR 30 is unacceptable as an opener which wud explain why other batters got out cuz of pressure created by this dude... his SR is the lowest if u exclude duck scorers and zaheer India in Ireland Match - 1 , Ireland scores 170 , India chases it down with 15 overs to spare Ganguly - 73( 99) , SR - 74 India Vs South Africa Match 1 - India scores 241 , SA Chases it down with 3 balls to spare Ganguly - 13(22) , SR - 60 Match 2 - SA scores 226 , India chases it down with 5 balls to spare Ganguly - 42(75) , SR - 56 Match 3 - 31 over match , SA bats first , scores 151. India chase it down Ganguly - 18(24), SR - 75 ODIs Vs England Match 1 , England scores 288 , India A.O for 184 Ganguly - 2(3), SR - 66 Match 2 , India 329 , Win by 10 runs Ganguly - 39(54), SR - 72 Match 2 , England scores 280 , India fall short by 42 runs Ganguly - 72( 104) , SR - 70 Ganguly stats India batting first 98(110), SR - 89, India wins 13( 25) , SR - 52 , India wins 68(82) , SR - 83, India wins 55(129) , SR - 51 ,India loses 89(114) , SR - 78, India wins 13(22) , SR - 60 , India loses 39(54), SR - 72, india wins India batting second 62(79) , SR - 79, Target was 254 , India fell short by 4 runs , after being comfortably placed at 154/3 in 27 overs 46(76) , SR - 66 , Target 230 , India wins 58(74) , SR - 78, Target 260 , India wins 7(23), SR - 30, India loses 73( 99) , SR - 74, India wins 42(75) , SR - 56, India wins 18(24), SR - 75, India wins 2(3), SR - 66, India loses 72( 104) , SR - 70, India loses Ganguly combined strike rate in matches batting first Total runs - 375 Balls faced - 516 SR - 72.66 Ganguly combined strike rate in matches batting second Total runs - 390 Balls faced - 557 SR - 70.00 We have to take into account the match situations to get the real picture of Ganguly's SR Taking a reference 80 as a SR that is acceptable to most of us , lets look at all of Ganguly's innings with SR below that with a condition that he faced a minimum of 25 balls Number of innings Ganguly averaged a SR of below 80 - 11 Result of those matches - 9 wins , 2 losses So obviously , a majority of Ganguly's innings have been well paced ones , played according to the team's requirements. Even when he has been slow , his innings has ensured India's victory more often than not Please dont get carried away by stats in isolation. Looks at the larger picture. "

sriram i was tryin to reason out .. but then i realised if a person who basically scores only thu boundaries have a strike rate hoverin arnd 60-70s ... imagine how many dot balls he wud have made.. this is wat dial's point too... these dot balls surely put pressure on his partners.. he mit score occasional boundaries but tht doesnt really help considerin the amount of dot ballls he had made..

[Ram]

Yes off course.. CI.... solid stats boss... Sriram....no games heree... I dun manipulate things... I put them the way they are... fair and honest...its for everyone to see...

I am not accusing you one bit. I just wanted double check , thats is all. Accept my apologies if me asking for the source seemed like i am doubting you.