Hello, Rahane here, anyone listening?

[NareshK]

I am sure glad Gavaskar played his cricket earlier coz if he were around now' date=' people would have laughed at him and said he was cr@p based on his T20/odi performances.[/quote'] Gavaskar's problem was he was never good at hitting above the fielders or hit boundaries and sixes. He was a technically correct batsman who played shots mostly along the ground and not a batsmen who could keep up to an asking run rate. That has nothing to do with his capability as a test batsman.

[saneindian]

UG Rahane has been getting out due to technical flaws in his batting, Rohit too was getting out due to technical flaws in his batting (missing straight deliveries). I don't think the format matters when you are getting exposed due to a technical glitch. Also if you say he's suited more to the longer format, with the new ball rules and the ball moving around as it has in last 2 games, he should have done better. Being suitable to the longer format should have meant a problem with rotating the strike, slower SR but not a flaw in his technique as he has shown in the last two games. Maybe its the lack of confidence or bad habbits due to all that time warming the benches. He deserves a long run in the side and is going to get his chances. Need to grab them and in time produce the bigger scores which he eventually will.

[The Outsider]

I am sure glad Gavaskar played his cricket earlier coz if he were around now' date=' people would have laughed at him and said he was cr@p based on his T20/odi performances.[/quote'] Gavaskar over his last 75 ODIs - three fourths of his career after he adapted to the game: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=2000;qualval1=runs;spanmax1=5+Nov+1987;spanmin1=18+Jun+1983;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

[Ultimate_Game]

Lots of Lahori logic on display. It's true success in ODIs does not guarantee success in tests, in fact far from it. But a good test batsman will be able to adapt and put up a decent, if not spectacular, performance in ODIs. Rahane will come good in both formats, it's only a matter of time and patience.

Yes, the key is a good Test batsman but here we are talking about players on the fringe who aren't established in Tests. Rahane is still finding his feet at intl level and it stands to reason he should be given a shot in Tests and once he established himself there maybe he could be tried for odis. But when the jury is still out on his intl future, playing him in odis is a recipe for disaster. If he fails he would be dumped and we will see Raina/Yuvraj get another chance in Tests.

[Ultimate_Game]

Gavaskar over his last 75 ODIs - three fourths of his career after he adapted to the game: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=2000;qualval1=runs;spanmax1=5+Nov+1987;spanmin1=18+Jun+1983;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Yes, he adapted the game. And that's my point. If he had been around today he would have been judged on his performances in odis and he would have fallen on the way-side as likes of Raina would have bee ahead of him.

[gakgupta]

I always had doubt about his ability.......havent done good for india A .......but now that selector zeroed in on him he should be given a longer rope......may be for a year or so......and he should be send for all A tours and should be allowed to play imp domestic games......good luck rahane

[NareshK]

UG Rahane has been getting out due to technical flaws in his batting, Rohit too was getting out due to technical flaws in his batting (missing straight deliveries). I don't think the format matters when you are getting exposed due to a technical glitch. Also if you say he's suited more to the longer format, with the new ball rules and the ball moving around as it has in last 2 games, he should have done better. Being suitable to the longer format should have meant a problem with rotating the strike, slower SR but not a flaw in his technique as he has shown in the last two games. Maybe its the lack of confidence or bad habbits due to all that time warming the benches. He deserves a long run in the side and is going to get his chances. Need to grab them and in time produce the bigger scores which he eventually will.

Yes, I want Rahane to do well too and I thought he was a good batsman with proper technique and temperament, the likes of whom is needed in the top order. But he has been disappointing so far. Let's hope he learns from whatever mistakes he is doing and puts up bigger scores.

[Ultimate_Game]

UG Rahane has been getting out due to technical flaws in his batting, Rohit too was getting out due to technical flaws in his batting (missing straight deliveries). I don't think the format matters when you are getting exposed due to a technical glitch. Also if you say he's suited more to the longer format, with the new ball rules and the ball moving around as it has in last 2 games, he should have done better. Being suitable to the longer format should have meant a problem with rotating the strike, slower SR but not a flaw in his technique as he has shown in the last two games. Maybe its the lack of confidence or bad habbits due to all that time warming the benches. He deserves a long run in the side and is going to get his chances. Need to grab them and in time produce the bigger scores which he eventually will.

That's where you are wrong. In shorter formats there is always pressure to score at a fast clip. Couple of dot balls and pressure on the batsman is there to do something soon. That pressure simply doesn't exist in Tests. As Rahane & Rohit's stats show they are good in longer formats but not in shorter ones as FC average of 60 and List A average in mid 30s proves. Why not give them a run in the side in the format they are good at? What makes selectors think Rahane will perform wonderfully in odis when he averages in 30s in List A cricket? Odis and Tests are two different formats and to judge a player on a format based on performances in another is foolhardy.

[gakgupta]

Yes' date=' the key is a good Test batsman but here we are talking about players on the fringe who aren't established in Tests. Rahane is still finding his feet at intl level and it stands to reason he should be given a shot in Tests and once he established himself there maybe he could be tried for odis. But when the jury is still out on his intl future, playing him in odis is a recipe for disaster. If he fails he would be dumped and we will see Raina/Yuvraj get another chance in Tests.[/quote'] Cant go backwards and select proven failures like raina or yuvraj.......some fresh talent should be given a cahnce if rahana fails...may be rayudu

[Ultimate_Game]

I always had doubt about his ability.......havent done good for india A .......but now that selector zeroed in on him he should be given a longer rope......may be for a year or so......and he should be send for all A tours and should be allowed to play imp domestic games......good luck rahane

Yes, he should be given a long rope but in Tests else you will end up with another Rohit on your hands. I mean if you select him in the team for his performances in FC cricket he should be played in Tests and not in odis where he averages in mid 30s domestically.

[Ultimate_Game]

All I'm saying is that likes of Bevan, Dhoni, Yuvraj and Raina have proven that Tests and odis are very different formats and it takes a different skill set and mental make-up to succeed in one format compared to another. You may come across a few who can succeed in both formats (Richards, Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting etc.) but they are few and far between. Most of the players will be suited to one format at best. Of the current lot Rahane and Rohit belong to the category who are better in longer formats compared to shorter formats. Similarly likes of Yuvi & Raina are more suited to shorter formats. Pujara and Kohli are most likely to succeed in both but again it's not a guarantee. The best approach would be to pick players in a format in which the player does well domestically. If we are looking for Tests, Pujara, Rahane and Rohit should be given a shot ahead of others as they average around 60 in FC cricket. Similarly if a spot opens up in odis I would go with players who have done well domestically. At the moment Pujara, Ishank Jaggi and Kedar Jadhav average in 50s with a knack of playing long innings once set so I would get them in ahead of others. But picking likes of Rohit & Rahane in odis based on their FC performances, or Yuvi & Raina in Tests based on their odi performances will not help anybody. Not the team and not the players. I hope selectors understand that and change their selections accordingly.

[The Outsider]

All I'm saying is that likes of Bevan, Dhoni, Yuvraj and Raina have proven that Tests and odis are very different formats and it takes a different skill set and mental make-up to succeed in one format compared to another. You may come across a few who can succeed in both formats (Richards, Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting etc.) but they are few and far between. Most of the players will be suited to one format at best.

That's BS! It's not a two way street as you are portraying. Success in ODIs does not guarantee success in tests, but success in tests does in fact guarantee success in ODIs. Yeah, there is the odd Slater and Vaughan but by and large if you are successful in tests you will not be completely incompetent in ODIs.

[Ultimate_Game]

That's BS! It's not a two way street as you are portraying. Success in ODIs does not guarantee success in tests' date=' but success in tests does in fact guarantee success in ODIs. Yeah, there is the odd Slater and Vaughan but by and large if you are successful in tests you will not be completely incompetent in ODIs.[/quote'] Likes of Gavaskar, Boycott, Younis Khan, Slater, Mark Taylor, Vaughan etc. would never be considered good odi player. This is a small sample and I'm sure if you look at stats you will come across more examples. Good performances in a format doesn't guarantee success in another.

[Crookbond]

That's BS! It's not a two way street as you are portraying. Success in ODIs does not guarantee success in tests' date= but success in tests does in fact guarantee success in ODIs. Yeah, there is the odd Slater and Vaughan but by and large if you are successful in tests you will not be completely incompetent in ODIs.

Success in Test matches does NOT guarantee success in ODIs - not in the modern era anyways.

[Spiderguy252]

Rohit Sharma and Rahane both should be in the next test squad in place of Jadeja/Yuvraj/Gambhir whoever is in possession at present. Sadly, they're not helping themselves with their ODI performances. And like it or not, it counts against their test selection as we've seen with Rohit in the past.

[Ultimate_Game]

Success in Test matches does NOT guarantee success in ODIs - not in the modern era anyways.

In earlier era where odis used to be played the way a Test used to be played, it made sense but these days with power-plays, fielding restrictions etc. odis differ a lot from Tests and I would pick my team based on players' performances in that particular format. If players perform well in multiple formats, great. If not, bring in players who are good for that format.

[Vivek.S.123]

Rahane is being misused. He is not a opener :facepalm: Play him at #4, he will unleash his potential there

[Ultimate_Game]

Rahane is being misused. He is not a opener :facepalm: Play him at #4, he will unleash his potential there

Rahane is not a odi/short format player :facepalm: Play him in Tests, he will unleash his potential there.

[saneindian]

UG going by your logic, the test side should be Rahane, Pujara, Manoj Tiwary (59), Rohit (61) , Badrinath ( 60), Uday Kaul (52) All rounder- Abhishek Nayar (batting avg 57, bowling avg 30) Pacers- Joginder Sharma ( 254 FC wickets@21), Vikramjit Malik (258 wickets@ 23), Basant Mohanty (160 wickets@vg 22) BTW for your ODI list, I will give you two other names - Mukund (avg of 54), Yashpal Singh (avg of 49)

[Cevno]

UG going by your logic, the test side should be Rahane, Pujara, Manoj Tiwary (59), Rohit (61) , Badrinath ( 60), Uday Kaul (52) All rounder- Abhishek Nayar (batting avg 57, bowling avg 30) Pacers- Joginder Sharma ( 254 FC wickets@21), Vikramjit Malik (258 wickets@ 23), Basant Mohanty (160 wickets@vg 22) BTW for your ODI list, I will give you two other names - Mukund (avg of 54), Yashpal Singh (avg of 49)

International performances counts towards FC stats, mate. Plus runs in first group, second group and third group of Ranji are of different weightage and diff conditions. Plus for Indian bowlers it is completely different as you need to see domestic Strike rate too and lot's of other factors.