Sir Donald Bradman speaks on Sachin Tendulkar

[Dumbbells]

YbgYwluUkZE :hatsoff::hatsoff::hatsoff:

[Pagalpanti]

Nice video, the man really gets less respect from us fans. People tend to forget his service for last 23 years over last few poor series and call him what not..

[Rohit S. Ambani]

Sir Don looks very elegant and he speaks very nice too. Very good overall personality.

[Ultimate_Game]

Nice video' date=' the man really gets less respect from us fans. People tend to forget his service for last 23 years over last few poor series and call him what not..[/quote'] I don't get the "service for 23 years" part. The guy is a professional sportsperson and has been more than adequately compensated at that. Most of the people work for a living and spend most of their lives grinding it out - in fact there are folks who travel on a daily basis from Pune to Mumbai for work etting up at 4 am and reaching back home at 10-11 pm. We don't hear anything about "service" from their employers. The fact is Tendulkar, and most of Indian cricketers, have been more than adequately compensated for their troubles or maybe they would have preferred to slog it out 9-7 for 40 years of their lives. Let's keep things in perspective and not treat sportspersons as if they have been fighting a war or have been taking care of kids in an orphanage for years.

[CSK Fan]

I don't get the "service for 23 years" part. The guy is a professional sportsperson and has been more than adequately compensated at that. Most of the people work for a living and spend most of their lives grinding it out - in fact there are folks who travel on a daily basis from Pune to Mumbai for work etting up at 4 am and reaching back home at 10-11 pm. We don't hear anything about "service" from their employers. The fact is Tendulkar, and most of Indian cricketers, have been more than adequately compensated for their troubles or maybe they would have preferred to slog it out 9-7 for 40 years of their lives. Let's keep things in perspective and not treat sportspersons as if they have been fighting a war or have been taking care of kids in an orphanage for years.

And you sir should keep the same thing in mind when you cry the next time about victory or defeat in just another "sport". You should remember this fact when you try to link just a game of cricket with patriotism and nationality. You should also remember this the next time you call a person selfish for a slow innings which caused a loss as if it was the end of the world. In short, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. You have cried ample times about the importance of wins and keeping the team first, etc as if it was a matter of life and death. You have associated deep emotions with this "sport" in the past and so have millions of people and cared about victory and defeat on a level which goes much beyond "sports". So you basically do not want to give someone credit for deep emotion and feelings and entertainement they have provided for long periods of time but are ready to criticize in the harshest term any percieved failures. i dont see anyone criticizing a labourer or an office worker for not being patriotic enough or not having the company's best interests at heart over their own salary or name first but you have used this in the past to criticize cricketers

[Crookbond]

And you sir should keep the same thing in mind when you cry the next time about victory or defeat in just another "sport". You should remember this fact when you try to link just a game of cricket with patriotism and nationality. You should also remember this the next time you call a person selfish for a slow innings which caused a loss as if it was the end of the world. In short, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. You have cried ample times about the importance of wins and keeping the team first, etc as if it was a matter of life and death. You have associated deep emotions with this "sport" in the past and so have millions of people and cared about victory and defeat on a level which goes much beyond "sports". So you basically do not want to give someone credit for deep emotion and feelings and entertainement they have provided for long periods of time but are ready to criticize in the harshest term any percieved failures. i dont see anyone criticizing a labourer or an office worker for not being patriotic enough or not having the company's best interests at heart over their own salary or name first but you have used this in the past to criticize cricketers

Quite a strange post. People have criticized Tendulkar not for being unfaithful to the nation but to the cricket team. It is implicit and unsaid that all comments on Tendulkar's innings were keeping in discussion that you have to win the match. Of course, you will win the match only when you give yourself the best chance. Tendulkar's 100th 100 didn't give the cricket team the best chance and he was criticized just like when his innings against Pakistan 2003 WC set up a magnificent win and was praised. These discussions always happen within the boundaries of the cricket in context. I don't see why if I can't praise him for cricket, I can't criticize him for "cricket".

[CSK Fan]

Quite a strange post. People have criticized Tendulkar not for being unfaithful to the nation but to the cricket team. It is implicit and unsaid that all comments on Tendulkar's innings were keeping in discussion that you have to win the match. Of course' date=' you will win the match only when you give yourself the best chance. Tendulkar's 100th 100 didn't give the cricket team the best chance and he was criticized just like when his innings against Pakistan 2003 WC set up a magnificent win and was praised. These discussions always happen within the boundaries of the cricket in context. I don't see why if I can't praise him for cricket, I can't criticize him for "cricket".[/quote'] I am not talking about that one innings only. And you know as well as I do that most of the criticism directed even on that one innings was way beyond the context (yes 285+ doesnt give a top ODI team best possible chance against Bangladesh). Also criticism in the past has always been way over the top, making it much more than sports and seemingly a matter of life and death coupled with the nation's honor. When you criticize someone on the basis of something just being a "sports", you dont write emotional paragrpahs and use deeply hate filled posts on a personal level (can bring these up if required). Usually you just write a line about being disappointed and move on This is not just limited to Sachin but all Indian cricketers. Both praise and insult have gone way beyond cricket just being a "sports" and cricketers just being paid professionals. Dont know why U_G suddenly woke up from his slumber, was surprised to find himself on a site filled mostly with ardent cricket followers (the OP includes a passionate video by the greatest cricket legend) and the benign soul he is, decided that its high time these fans were brought down to earth, knew the error of their ways and realised the significance of cricket in the larger scheme of things like world peace, poverty and possible answer to the life, the universe and everything (Its 42 for those who dont know). Me thinks the subject of the OP video had something to do with his new found enlightment because I doubt he suddenly discovered the tree of life ala Gautam Buddha

[Crookbond]

I am not talking about that one innings only. And you know as well as I do that most of the criticism directed even on that one innings was way beyond the context (yes 285+ doesnt give a top ODI team best possible chance against Bangladesh). Also criticism in the past has always been way over the top' date=' making it much more than sports and seemingly a matter of life and death coupled with the nation's honor. [b']When you criticize someone on the basis of something just being a "sports", you dont write emotional paragrpahs and use deeply hate filled posts on a personal level (can bring these up if required). Usually you just write a line about being disappointed and move on

Yes the same team who scored exactly the same total on the same ground a year back with a depleted bowling attack obviously stands a "lesser chance of winning". With your argument even 200 is enough for a Top ODI side against Bangladesh, it doesn't mean you score 200 - you set yourself to score more because you don't know what will happen. Somehow that whole scene was lost that particular day. Just like you don't like excessive criticism, you should come out against effusive praise as well. I don't see that happening - can't have the cake and eat it. :winky: Oh btw, just head over to Chit Chat to know what people could do to brainwash others. Check the Owaisi thread (not referring to you ) .

[CSK Fan]

Yes the same team who scored exactly the same total on the same ground a year back with a depleted bowling attack obviously stands a "lesser chance of winning". With your argument even 200 is enough for a Top ODI side against Bangladesh, it doesn't mean you score 200 - you set yourself to score more because you don't know what will happen. Somehow that whole scene was lost that particular day. Just like you don't like excessive criticism, you should come out against effusive praise as well. I don't see that happening - can't have the cake and eat it. :winky: Oh btw, just head over to Chit Chat to know what people could do to brainwash others. Check the Owaisi thread (not referring to you ) .

You ignored my second paragraph. I am pretty proud of my second paragraph. Please reply to my second paragraph

[Crookbond]

You ignored my second paragraph. I am pretty proud of my second paragraph. Please reply to my second paragraph

Did you "enjoy" writing the second paragraph? :giggle:

[Ultimate_Game]

And you sir should keep the same thing in mind when you cry the next time about victory or defeat in just another "sport". You should remember this fact when you try to link just a game of cricket with patriotism and nationality. You should also remember this the next time you call a person selfish for a slow innings which caused a loss as if it was the end of the world. In short, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. You have cried ample times about the importance of wins and keeping the team first, etc as if it was a matter of life and death. You have associated deep emotions with this "sport" in the past and so have millions of people and cared about victory and defeat on a level which goes much beyond "sports". So you basically do not want to give someone credit for deep emotion and feelings and entertainement they have provided for long periods of time but are ready to criticize in the harshest term any percieved failures. i dont see anyone criticizing a labourer or an office worker for not being patriotic enough or not having the company's best interests at heart over their own salary or name first but you have used this in the past to criticize cricketers

Not true. I have mentioned plenty of times SRT's 98 against Pak in 2003 WC was one of the best odi knocks etc. For me he's just another sports-person, just like all others and I will appreciate his good performances and criticize him when he costs the team. Not sure what appreciating or criticizing a performance has to do with the "23 year service" part which I responded to in my earlier post :dontknow: As for Tendulkar's fame & fortune, yes it's coz of people like me as I have watched him over the years leading to his million dollar endorsements etc. so I am also entitled to criticize him when his performances deserve so. After all Tendulkar can't have his cake and eat it too

[Marut]

I don't get the "service for 23 years" part. The guy is a professional sportsperson and has been more than adequately compensated at that. Most of the people work for a living and spend most of their lives grinding it out - in fact there are folks who travel on a daily basis from Pune to Mumbai for work etting up at 4 am and reaching back home at 10-11 pm. We don't hear anything about "service" from their employers. The fact is Tendulkar, and most of Indian cricketers, have been more than adequately compensated for their troubles or maybe they would have preferred to slog it out 9-7 for 40 years of their lives. Let's keep things in perspective and not treat sportspersons as if they have been fighting a war or have been taking care of kids in an orphanage for years.

Agree with this. Admiring a sportsman is one thing, but there is no compulsory need to consider his profession as a "service" or "sacrifice" or "something unique" or even "patriotic". He has been compensated for his work, and he is amongst the most richest and famous personalities in India. Given the chance, who would not like to undergo the daily grind of a famous sportsman for what they get back in return?

[Lord]

Bradman was on BCCI payroll when he said this,or he just didnt see Inzi bhai bat

[Lord]

Agree with this. Admiring a sportsman is one thing' date=' but there is no compulsory need to consider his profession as a "service" or "sacrifice" or "something unique"[b'] or even "patriotic". He has been compensated for his work, and he is amongst the most richest and famous personalities in India. Given the chance, who would not like to undergo the daily grind of a famous sportsman for what they get back in return?

so what constitutes patriotism for you?:hmmm:

[PBN]

Bradman was on BCCI payroll when he said this' date='or he just didnt see Inzi bhai bat[/quote'] :haha:

[Ultimate_Game]

Bradman was on BCCI payroll when he said this' date=' or he just didnt see Inzi bhai bat[/quote'] :haha: True that! Bradman was paid by BCCI to say that stuff but Bradman was over-rated. The greatest cricketer of all times - Imran Khan - did say Inzi bhai was the best batsman of all times and the best batsman against fast bowlers and if Imran says so that's how it is! After all Inzi's batting average in SA and Aus be damned and who really cares for the World Cup where the great "aloo" averaged a colossal 3 :hysterical:

[Jersey #10]

He didn't see Afridi bat..

[Jersey #10]

YbgYwluUkZE :hatsoff::hatsoff::hatsoff:

At the end of the video Sachin says that, Sir Don Bradman played for 20 years and I for only 7 years so it's unfair to compare me with him. Well Sir Sachin Tendulkar, you've now played for more than 20 years. You're our goddy 4ever :yay::yay::yay::hatsoff:

[vamos_rafa]

Agree with this. Admiring a sportsman is one thing' date=' but there is no compulsory need to consider his profession as a "service" or "sacrifice" or "something unique" or even "patriotic". He has been compensated for his work, and he is amongst the most richest and famous personalities in India. Given the chance, who would not like to [b']undergo the daily grind of a famous sportsman for what they get back in return?[/QUOTE] It ain't as easy as you have made it to be. All the fame and scrutiny looks good for some time. But, once your honeymoon period is over, it becomes burdening. Try reading some of the autobiographies of famous sportspersons. It all mentions the same thing.

[Ultimate_Game]

Bud nothing is ever easy. But if given a chance which problem would you rather have... 1. Problem A: Work for 40 years of your life for mostly 12 hrs or so a day, and most of the time on Saturdays as well (which is mostly the case in India even if weekends are supposed to be off), and even after that you are not sure whether you have enough saved up to retire with a decent lifestyle. 2. Problem B: Make it to national team with hard work and continue to grind it out in off season in the nets and are open to public scrutiny criticism. But you are more than adequately compensated and are financially secure. In fact so much so that most probably your next 2 generations won't need to work as well. I would prefer to be afflicted with the latter than the former.