President Obama makes some good points here

[hhunaeh]

IIRC it was around 43 percent but his two biggest votebanks were the young and minorites. 95 percent of African Americans voted for him back in 2008 with 67 percent of Hispanics also voting for him. Edit: it should be three votebanks with women as well, especially young women.

But black and hispanics still form only a small part of the total number of voters, do they not?So it would still require a significant portion of white and other races to vote for him.

[FischerTal]

But black and hispanics still form only a small part of the total number of voters' date=' do they not?So it would still require a significant portion of white and other races to vote for him.[/quote'] yes, as i said 67 percent hispanics voted for him and asians were also around that number as well. he got 43 percent of the white vote, which is significant, but in an america that is moving towards less white people , the minority voting patterns are more significant as i personally believe they will determine many elections in the future. Edit: this link should be helpful for you http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1083335/Breakdown-demographics-reveals-black-voters-swept-Obama-White-House.html :icflove:

[hhunaeh]

yes, as i said 67 percent hispanics voted for him and asians were also around that number as well. he got 43 percent of the white vote, which is significant, but in an america that is moving towards less white people , the minority voting patterns are more significant as i personally believe they will determine many elections in the future. Edit: this link should be helpful for you http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1083335/Breakdown-demographics-reveals-black-voters-swept-Obama-White-House.html :icflove:

Hmm... but he still got more number of white voters to vote for him than bill clinton or any other recent democratic presidential candidate. That's quite significant for an african american candidate.

[FischerTal]

Hmm... but he still got more number of white voters to vote for him than bill clinton or any other recent democratic presidential candidate. That's quite significant for an african american candidate.

yeah... i was quite shocked when he beat hilary in the primaries...

[jalebi_bhai]

Don't want to sound petty here.......but the only reason he is still President is b'coz the alternatives out here are even worse........and cause the Black community still sees him as some kind of symbol of social empowerment........his achievements so far have been a big fat ZERO and if anything, his reign has resulted in more violence around the world....... His statements regarding this case are just meant to stoke the flames of emotion among communities.......

[Swing_n_Speed]

he is gently nudging and chiding them to change. He doesn't want to pat them on the back and say everyon'e doing an awesome job. That's what's your proposed speech sounds like.

Naa he's not gently nudging anyone. Basically he opened his mouth, took sides before the court verdict was out, and now has to eat humble pie. But wait he's the chosen one, so no way is he gonna apologize. Instead he'll just continue with the original chain of thought, irrespective of the repercussions it may have on the African-American community and on the social fabric of America society. He's lied enough number of times for people to see right through him, but you never know. I presume there are still significant numbers out there who views him as unccoruptable!

[Swing_n_Speed]

Don't want to sound petty here.......but the only reason he is still President is b'coz the alternatives out here are even worse........and cause the Black community still sees him as some kind of symbol of social empowerment........his achievements so far have been a big fat ZERO and if anything, his reign has resulted in more violence around the world....... His statements regarding this case are just meant to stoke the flames of emotion among communities.......

+1 The whole lot of them from Mcaain to Romney to Hillary. All a bunch of sociopaths.

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Yeah' date=' because Obama became president racism has been eradicated from America. :nice:[/quote'] You're right. I don't even see it as historic. When one black man out of 39 million rises to become President, it is hardly a statement on race relations, nor is it a statement on the progress of the black community as a whole. What gets me is the near-silence of progressives when one brings black-on-white crimes. Even on this board, the typical well-educated poster is likely to ignore a post about 4 black kids pummelling an unarmed white man and throwing him into traffic to be run over. Why? Is it because they expect nothing better of the African American community that it doesn't surprise them anymore? But, they are quick to express outrage at Zimmerman's actions - for the only reason that a guy with a Caucasian name shot a black man. If Trayvon Martin was a white guy, or Zimmerman was a Hernandez, this case would never have hit the media, and none of you would be outraged. How about progressives' silence on 73% of black kids growing up without dads, and the role of welfare in driving this number up? It is virtually taboo to talk about how black leaders like Revs Sharpton and Jackson have corrupted the civil rights movement into a civil victim movement. We can have intelligent conversations about race when everyone of us has the courage to admit that racism goes in all directions. And is open to discussing how the black community has let itself be hoodwinked by the victimologists. Finally, I consider it racist when every white man with a Southern accent is deemed a racist. I have lived in the South for 20 years, and not once have I experienced racism or negative stereotyping. Not at a store, not at a restaurant, not at a gas station, not at job interviews, not at work, not from my students - 80% of whom are from rural NC. The only time I experienced racism was in the great city of NYC when some idiot called me a dot-head. But now, it has turned into this (got this list from elsewhere):

• If you don't like your black neighbor because you have a personality clash, you are a racist.
• If you complain about a black clerk in a store because she wasn't helpful, you are a racist.
• If you oppose affirmative action, you are a racist.
• If you disagree with a black President's ideology and disapprove of his policies, you most definitely are a racist.
• If you are a juror in the Trayvon Martin case and find George Zimmerman not guilty, you must be a racist. Heck, the entire system that acquitted Zimmerman is racist. Those shots were fired not out of self-defense but because of racism. And we know that, because Trayvon was black and Zimmerman white.

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Waiting for Rev. Sharpton and Rev. Jackson to stage a rally in memory of this child: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-girl-shot-in-chest-on-far-south-side-20130719,0,4527420.story

By Michelle Manchir, Peter Nickeas and Deanese Williams-Harris Tribune reporters 8:38 a.m. CDT, July 20, 2013 The sun was setting over a South Side memorial for a man shot to death in 2008 when one young man spotted two others and started shooting. The two returned fire. And when the bullets had stopped flying about 8 p.m. in the 300 block of West 105th street in the Burnside neighborhood, the only two victims were innocent bystanders, one a 6-year-old girl on her scooter who was hit in the chest, collapsed, and writhed a bit before she stopped moving, according to witnesses. "It was horrific. Gruesome," 21-year-old Imani Branch said. The child and her 52-year-old aunt both sustained through-and-through gunshot wounds, police said. The woman was shot in the thigh. Both are at Advocate Christ Medical Center, the younger in serious condition. The condition for the older woman had stabilized. They were among two people killed and six wounded in shootings that started in late evening Friday. The two dead were in Humboldt Park on the West Side and Gresham on the South Side. Area resident Tasha Moore said about 40 people had gathered in the area around 105th Street as a memorial for a man they all knew, Brandon Snype, who had been shot and killed 5 years ago while sitting in a porch on the same block. Moore said the 52-year-old woman who was shot was related to Snype. Moore said the girl was riding a scooter with a group of children when she was shot, though Moore did not see where the shots came from. Many in the group ducked or ran away after the shots were fired, Moore said. Branch and her 20-year-old girlfriend Shushana Moore said they were trying to park and meet up with family when the shooting started. They doubled around the block in their car and sped toward the scene, where they saw dozens of people were on the ground or trying to run. Police weren't there yet. The 911 call taker told callers to find a blanket or towel and cover the child's wound, which was gushing blood onto her white pants and the big flower on her belt buckle, down to her flip-flops, witnesses said. She still wasn't moving. "I've never seen so much blood in my life," Shushana Moore said. Witnesses described a chaotic scene, with as many as 40 people trying to flee the gunfire and dozens of police streaming into the neighborhood, an area targeted by the department for extra coverage because of persistent violence. "It was three minutes but it felt like thirty," Branch said. "Anybody you could think of had blood on them" Police worked into the night, until rain swept through the area, gathering the casings from fired rounds and other evidence from the scene. "It's sad. It's real sad," Tasha Moore said. "They need to do something out here. Call the national guard in." Other attendees of the memorial said shootings are common on 105th Street, an area some people call "Trouble City." The barbecue is an annual event in an area rife with gangs. Police said two gangs – each of which only claims a few blocks of territory – are in conflict with each other in the area. In other shootings: • A 20-year-old man was killed in the 3800 block of West Hirsch Street in Humboldt Park. Someone shot him about 9:30 p.m. and he died in surgery at Mount Sinai Hospital, police said. The shooting may stem from an ongoing conflict between gangs in the area. The Cook County medical examiner's office identified the man as Carlos Barron, but was unable to say where the man lived. • Someone walked up to a 27-year-old man and shot him in the head about 7:50 p.m. in the 8100 block of South Vincennes Avenue in Gresham. He was pronounced dead at Advocate Christ Medical Center, authorities said. The Cook County medical examiner's office identified him as Maurice Gibson, of the 7900 block of South Ashland Avenue. • Police found rocks of cocaine next to a 26-year-old man that had been shot about 1 a.m. in the 5900 block of South Sangamon Street in the Englewood neighborhood, police said. The man was hit in the abdomen and arm and taken to John H. Stroger, Jr. Hospital of Cook County in serious condition. The shooter opened fire from the inside of a passing dark car while the 26-year-old was walking on a sidewalk. • Someone shot a 24-year-old man in both legs about 10:55 p.m. in the 7800 block of South Ellis Avenue in the Grand Crossing neighborhood on the South Side. Someone shot him from a passing white sedan, police said. He was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center, where his condition had stabilized. • An 18-year-old man was shot about 9:15 p.m. in the 9400 block of South Racine Avenue in the Brainerd neighborhood on the South Side. He was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in good condition, police said. • In the 10100 block of South Union Avenue in the Fernwood neighborhood on the South Side, a 23-year-old man was shot about 8:20 p.m. Preliminary information said the man was standing on a porch when he heard shots, and soon after felt pain. He suffered a gunshot wound to the abdomen and was taken in critical condition to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, according to police and Fire Media.