Ishwar Pandey Thread

[FischerTal]

Zak has always been pretty quick and still can certainly bowl faster than Pandey at the age of 34 whenever needed and regarding reverse swing' date=' you need a bit of pace to utilize that.[/quote'] when has zak ever bowled above 140 consistently?

[Old guy]

yeah, ishant needing to be kicked out is so obvious that i am not even going to talk about it... anyway even anderson came and bowled well and there have been many other instances but ofc steyn was un matched even in india and i will always agree that more pace with similar skill is always better but to say pace is only way you can bowl in india is wrong imo..

[Old guy]

Zak has always been pretty quick and still can certainly bowl faster than Pandey at the age of 34 whenever needed and regarding reverse swing' date=' you need a bit of pace to utilize that.[/quote'] ever since the 2007 england test series zack has been awesome but i can tell you one thing ever since that time where was not even one home series where he bowled in 140's . infact he should be pretty similar pace wise if u compare him with pandey maybe 2-3 k's quicker but i think pandey is bit taller and different kind of bowler so it does not matter anyway.

[FischerTal]

ever since the 2007 england test series zack has been awesome but i can tell you one thing ever since that time where was not even one home series where he bowled in 140's . infact he should be pretty similar pace wise if u compare him with pandey maybe 2-3 k's quicker but i think pandey is bit taller and different kind of bowler so it does not matter anyway.

pandey is 6'3 i believe.

[rkt.india]

when has zak ever bowled above 140 consistently?

It is not about bowling 140 consistently but able to bowl when needed and he has done that and was a quick bowler between 2000-2004 before he got fat and was dropped from the team in 2005. I have seen his bowling spells even in India where he troubled batsmen with his pace in his early days. He later started bowling within himself but he still can clock close to 140 if needed. He knows when to do it and when to hold back. Like Steyn does, even he never bowls 140 consistently but batsmen knows he can surprise them.

[FischerTal]

It is not about bowling 140 consistently but able to bowl when needed and he has done that and was a quick bowler between 2000-2004 before he got fat and was dropped from the team in 2005. I have seen his bowling spells even in India where he troubled batsmen with his pace in his early days. He later started bowling within himself but he still can clock close to 140 if needed. He knows when to do it and when to hold back. Like Steyn does' date= even he never bowls 140 consistently but batsmen knows he can surprise them.

so then whats the problem if pandey learns to up his pace to 135-140 consistently? If he achieves that, why do you think he wont be able to bowl the surprise 140+ delivery?

[Old guy]

It is not about bowling 140 consistently but able to bowl when needed and he has done that and was a quick bowler between 2000-2004 before he got fat and was dropped from the team in 2005. I have seen his bowling spells even in India where he troubled batsmen with his pace in his early days. He later started bowling within himself but he still can clock close to 140 if needed. He knows when to do it and when to hold back. Like Steyn does' date=' even he never bowls 140 consistently but batsmen knows he can surprise them.[/quote'] so what you are saying is ever since zack decreased his pace he has been successful at home :two_thumbs_up: anyway trolling aside..you are making pandey sound like 120k bowler..lol while in relaity difference between pace of zack and pandey is not much infact he might get quicker than zack if he stays fit

[rkt.india]

yeah, ishant needing to be kicked out is so obvious that i am not even going to talk about it... anyway even anderson came and bowled well and there have been many other instances but ofc steyn was un matched even in india and i will always agree that more pace with similar skill is always better but to say pace is only way you can bowl in india is wrong imo..

Anderson bowls at a pretty decent pace. He can clock 140K and used to be a genuine quick bowler when he came into the scene. Neither I said pace is only way but pace is a necessary ingredient to be really successful on Indian pitches along with skills and other aspects. That is why above I said that Indian bowlers who have pace lack skills and brains and bowlers have skills and brains lack pace that is a perplexing situation with Indian pacers.

[FischerTal]

pandey's bowling action is really nice and simple, so i dont think he will suffer as many injuries as people believe. Umesh is the one that concerns me with injuries

[rkt.india]

ever since the 2007 england test series zack has been awesome but i can tell you one thing ever since that time where was not even one home series where he bowled in 140's . infact he should be pretty similar pace wise if u compare him with pandey maybe 2-3 k's quicker but i think pandey is bit taller and different kind of bowler so it does not matter anyway.

That is because he had enough experience and skills. He knew how to work out a batsman. He could still surprise you with pace every now and then and being a left arm pacer can be an advantage too.

[Old guy]

Anderson bowls at a pretty decent pace. He can clock 140K and used to be a genuine quick bowler when he came into the scene. Neither I said pace is only way but pace is a necessary ingredient to be really successful on Indian pitches along with skills and other aspects. That is why above I said that Indian bowlers who have pace lack skills and brains and bowlers have skills and brains lack pace that is a perplexing situation with Indian pacers.

anderson can clock at 140 but point is he did not clock 140 in india when he was successful.. and i i think i know why fast bowers are brainless in india...simple answer is they are picked just for pace and not because they pick wickets and as i said to take wickets other skills are far more important than just pace ..

[Old guy]

That is because he had enough experience and skills. He knew how to work out a batsman. He could still surprise you with pace every now and then and being a left arm pacer can be an advantage too.

not really ..your argument is zack had pace but he was never good when he bowled with pace in india..

[rkt.india]

so what you are saying is ever since zack decreased his pace he has been successful at home :two_thumbs_up: anyway trolling aside..you are making pandey sound like 120k bowler..lol while in relaity difference between pace of zack and pandey is not much infact he might get quicker than zack if he stays fit

He was dropped in 2005 when his pace had decreased to 125-130 because of lack of fitness and then he went to county, worked hard, learned his skills, got the fitness required and came back and was again back to his usual pace 135-140. He mostly bowls within himself because of injury issues. Look at his bowling in last home season. He was lacking pace due to lack of fitness and was ordinary. You certainly need a bit of bite.

[Old guy]

pandey's bowling action is really nice and simple' date=' so i dont think he will suffer as many injuries as people believe. Umesh is the one that concerns me with injuries[/quote'] lol..even umesh has great action with one or two minor hiccups but nothing serious .. most commies actually always say that he has the most simple action with strong body and it looks awesome.. bhuvi actually has most unorthodox action if u ask me but since his pace is not much i guess it does not put that much stress ..

[rkt.india]

anderson can clock at 140 but point is he did not clock 140 in india when he was successful.. and i i think i know why fast bowers are brainless in india...simple answer is they are picked just for pace and not because they pick wickets and as i said to take wickets other skills are far more important than just pace ..

He did. Check those matches again.

[Old guy]

He was dropped in 2005 when his pace had decreased to 125-130 because of lack of fitness and then he went to county' date=' worked hard, learned his skills, got the fitness required and came back and was again back to his usual pace 135-140. He mostly bowls within himself because of injury issues. Look at his bowling in last home season. He was lacking pace due to lack of fitness and was ordinary. You certainly need a bit of bite.[/quote'] come on ..last season he was doing lots of things wrong and pace was one of those things. and no zack has never been good in india cos of his pace there is no way anyone can convice me of that and same with anderson and even all aussie bowlers who did well india steyn is one guy who actually troubled us at home and is quick but that does not mean its the only way to play well in india

[FischerTal]

lol..even umesh has great action with one or two minor hiccups but nothing serious .. most commies actually always say that he has the most simple action with strong body and it looks awesome.. bhuvi actually has most unorthodox action if u ask me but since his pace is not much i guess it does not put that much stress ..

umesh concerns me with injuries because he is a genuine fast bowler and i foresee more such injuries like the one he suffered during england series because of bowling fast consistently on dead Indian tracks. Back injuries are always harmful.

[rkt.india]

not really ..your argument is zack had pace but he was never good when he bowled with pace in india..

He was but he was like Yadav. pacey but inconsistent and that was because of his action, that high h jump he had in his action was making him lose accuracy and once he sorted that thing out, he started bowling with more impact. I still remember one test match in India where he troubled and consistently beaten Andy Flower for pace on a flat track in India, I think in 2002, and was so unlucky to have edges on an empty slip cordon as our captain used to be so defensive.

[Old guy]

He did. Check those matches again.

i remember them he did increase bit of pace but i dont believe difference between 130 and 135 is big enough to make impact..he just bowled with lot more control and with plan and swung the old and new ball.. are you really going to use zack and anderson as examples for fast bowling ? :giggle: i do not think anderson has bowled 90 mph after the indian series in england ever again and if u see pace of pandey he is easily over 130 k and jump to 135 is expected as international level as most bowlers increase pace when playing at highest level bhuvi is good example of this..

[Old guy]

He was but he was like Yadav. pacey but inconsistent and that was because of his action' date=' that high h jump he had in his action was making him lose accuracy and once he sorted that thing out, he started bowling with more impact. I still remember one test match in India where he troubled and consistently beaten Andy Flower for pace on a flat track in India, I think in 2002, and was so unlucky to have edges on an empty slip cordon as our captain used to be so defensive.[/quote'] yeah he was inconsistent and guess what he did ? he decreased pace and increased accuracy to become a better bowler . you are not getting me here if zack can bowl with same accuracy and at 140 k i am not denying he would be better bowler but my point is he cannot and he did not and was successful none the less. you said you need pace to be good at home i disagree and zack is perfect example who was average bowler with pace but got better when he polished other skills and pace did not even mattered .