T420 Champions: India

[The Outsider]

The Tv replays showed that Ponting's foot was on the inner half of the line and he could not be given out. Thats what commentators have said in so many line decisions before this one too, and rightly so. I had sen so many line decisions exactly like this given to the batsman. The riule of the thumb being that if after referral too, there is an element of doubt , it goes to the batsman

If you watch the video again, all commentators were saying in unison that it is out. Moreover, there was no doubt that he had no part of the foot behind the line. That is out. There is nothing in the rule book about inner and outer part of the line. It's clear as a crystal - some part has to be behind the line. What's also clear as crystal was that no part of Ponting's foot was behind the line.

You still haven't countered anything I said about the cricketing skill match. So what if Ponting's decision may appear fair to you. The fact you haven't countered in any cricketing way my point that we lost all 4 new ball battles and so we should have taken a hard look at ourselves is the essence of my argument that day, and the fact this did not occur and we were steamrolled by the new ball again for the 5th time.

I already said that this is a mismatch between the best ODI team of all time with a side which has been mediocre for many years. Logically, one would expect the best ODI side of all time to prevail and hand a few sound thrashings on the way as well. Not to say that there are no upsets in sports, but I don't see any reason for the over the top reactions. We are losing to a decidedly better side. As for the new ball thing, I don't know what to say really. Lee and Johnson are bowlers in their prime and at the top of their game. Our openers are either not technically sound enough or old warhorses with declining skills. I would expect Australia to trump our openers on most occasions.

[Hawkeye]

The top order is entirely responsible for our 0-5 loss. Just take one look at what they have done in the series: 1st ODI : 0-1 ( match result = washed out , but actually LOST, we all know it) would have been another 15-3 and a slaughter but rain saved ) 2nd ODI : 58-2 ( Gambhir 7, Tendulkar 16, Match Lost) slaughtered 3rd ODI 13-3 ( Gambhir 6, Uthappa 0 Dravid 0 Match Lost) Slaughtered 4th ODI ( should have been 15-3, but 91-1 couresy Umpire: Match=squaked thru,but Lost really) 5th ODI ( 43-5 Everyone 0 or single digit) Match LOST ( slaughtered ) Top stars performances ( Big 3 ) Tendulkar :0, 16, 43, 79( 3 times out), 47 ( not a single matchwinning innings, ) Dravid : 31, 0, 13, 0 ( what can I say ???) Ganguly 41, 0 ( no impact in any way, barely face saving, not even just) And I have not even come to the middle order, younger players, bowlers etc. But after all these big 3 are the MOST experienced, skilful, highest paid matchwinningmega stars right ? Its our money that they get. we are paying and I want to know what the biggest receivers of our money have done for that ??

Point made. Now get off the subject ( and ideally the site) and get a life.

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[Guest HariSampath]

Point made. Now get off the subject ( and ideally the site) and get a life.

That you have got the point , if true, was one of my main purposes of this thread. Whether I need to get off this subject or the site is not exactly your concern, although I can see why you say that, maybe I make you look stupid :tounge_smile:. Now having told me your opinion, perhaps, you need to go somewhere ? :finger:

[Hawkeye]

That you have got the point , if true, was one of my main purposes of this thread. Whether I need to get off this subject or the site is not exactly your concern, although I can see why you say that, maybe I make you look stupid :tounge_smile:. Now having told me your opinion, perhaps, you need to go somewhere ? :finger:

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[beetle]

I don't quite understand this view at all. These players are professionals doing a job' date=' if they are not giving their 100% and not performing they will be thrown out by their pay masters ie. BCCI.[b'] They have no responsibility towards you or anyone else but the BCCI to give 100% or 200%. We have no rights to demand anything from them just as they don't have any rights to demand a 100% performance from us in our jobs. We like the sport, we watch it, we have fun. If our team does well, we feel happy, if they suck we are disappointed. End of story.

so true.....

[beetle]

Hari ..would you feel less betrayed if you had got a free pass to watch the match...because from your posts it seems it is more about money than any thing else.... There is a big fat line between being a fan and being a heckler......most of the people on this forum understand the difference.

[Lurker]

I don't quite understand this view at all. These players are professionals doing a job, if they are not giving their 100% and not performing they will be thrown out by their pay masters ie. BCCI. They have no responsibility towards you or anyone else but the BCCI to give 100% or 200%. We have no rights to demand anything from them just as they don't have any rights to demand a 100% performance from us in our jobs. We like the sport, we watch it, we have fun. If our team does well, we feel happy, if they suck we are disappointed. End of story.

Did you write that in all seriousness Shwetabh? You sound like those BCCI babus that suggest players play for them and NOT India. Are you Jaywant Lele by any chance? :tounge_smile:

[Aditi]

Hari ..would you feel less betrayed if you had got a free pass to watch the match...because from your posts it seems it is more about money than any thing else.... There is a big fat line between being a fan and being a heckler......most of the people on this forum understand the difference.

If it is all about the money, the team should be sued everytime they lose, right?

[The Outsider]

Did you write that in all seriousness Shwetabh? You sound like those BCCI babus that suggest players play for them and NOT India. Are you Jaywant Lele by any chance? :tounge_smile:

Ofcourse, I am serious. You can call it any banner you want but they are professionals doing a job and don't owe us anything. If we are not happy with them, no one forces us to watch them.

[beetle]

If it is all about the money' date=' the team should be sued everytime they lose, right?[/quote'] mujhe bola ki hari ko....?:omg_smile:

[Aditi]

mujhe bola ki hari ko....?:omg_smile:

Hari ko yaaaaaar!

[Lurker]

Ofcourse' date=' I am serious. You can call it any banner you want but they are professionals doing a job and don't owe us anything. If we are not happy with them, no one forces us to watch them.[/quote'] So let me get this straight so they are no ambiguity. 1) Players like SRT do NOT play for India but for BCCI. 2) Players like SRT/Dravid do NOT play for pride for India but for the money that BCCI pays them. Confirm/deny? xxx

[Ram]

Hari ..would you feel less betrayed if you had got a free pass to watch the match...because from your posts it seems it is more about money than any thing else.... There is a big fat line between being a fan and being a heckler......most of the people on this forum understand the difference.

Well said ! :two_thumbs_up:

[The Outsider]

So let me get this straight so they are no ambiguity. 1) Players like SRT do NOT play for India but for BCCI. 2) Players like SRT/Dravid do NOT play for pride for India but for the money that BCCI pays them. Confirm/deny? xxx

Ask them what they play for. I am not a mind reader nor do I know them personally. But in the end it's irrelevant for me, what they play for. I like their batting. I watch them.

[Lurker]

Ask them what they play for. I am not a mind reader nor do I know them personally. But in the end it's irrelevant for me' date=' what they play for. I like their batting. I watch them.[/quote'] Well that is entirely different from what you said. You were as categorical as one can be in suggesting they play for BCCI and not me and you(or India). Your latest response comes as a U-turn if anything. I do agree with you on one account - that for players like SRT/Dravid it is the money that is the driver and NOT pride for India. Of course you coated it as professionalism but I call it as what it is - love for mullah. xxx

[Aditi]

love for mullah

How did religion factor in this? :P

[Lurker]

How did religion factor in this? :P

Cos today is Eid waala Jumma

[The Outsider]

Well that is entirely different from what you said. You were as categorical as one can be in suggesting they play for BCCI and not me and you(or India). Your latest response comes as a U-turn if anything.

You are asking me for their internal motivations. I have no idea about those. But in the employee-employer hierarchy they are answerable only to the BCCI. Whatever your internal motivations might be for doing your job, fact remains you are answerable only to your employer, not me.

I do agree with you on one account - that for players like SRT/Dravid it is the money that is the driver and NOT pride for India. Of course you coated it as professionalism but I call it as what it is - love for mullah.

And contrary to what you are saying here, I have no idea what their internal motivation is. You probably do because you either know them personally or are a mind reader. Let us know which one is it.

[Lurker]

You are asking me for their internal motivations. I have no idea about those. But in the employee-employer hierarchy they are answerable only to the BCCI. Whatever your internal motivations might be for doing your job, fact remains you are answerable only to your employer, not me.

So then the question comes full circle - Does a Sachin or a Dravid play for BCCI or do they play for India and Indians? If you are suggesting they play for BCCI(hence the employer-employee analogy) and NOT India then frankly I dont have much time to argue that since that line of thinking is fundamentally flawed.

And contrary to what you are saying here, I have no idea what their internal motivation is. You probably do because you either know them personally or are a mind reader. Let us know which one is it.

I think you have just shot yourself in the foot and am going on a personal attack aka mind-reading. If anything get mad at yourself since the fault essentially lies with your argument. And yes I maintain commercialisation is the reason why players play cricket. Why does that shock you? Where were you when there was an thread on ICF just a few days back as to how young kids in India are taking cricket because of economic benefits? Rather interesting to see you call them professionals and then forget the fundamental of professionalism - money drives success. Period. xxx