Sachin=GOD Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Wrong decision. PM is saying that the govt will go to SC on this.
hhunaeh Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 you can play all the politics you want but there are lines which should not be crossed. You can't have the people who blew up the Indian PM walking free on Indian soil. Jayalalitha has committed a major blunder. Has she considered how bad it will look, for everybody concerned, if the CM of a major Indian state endorses such a crazy stance?
Raghav_12 Posted February 20, 2014 Author Posted February 20, 2014 No' date=' I'm not a Tamil, but I am very interested and supporter of Sri Lankan Tamils. Yes, many were killed with Rajiv Gandhi but they were not the targets of the LTTE. They wanted to assassinate rajiv Gandhi just like Indira Gandhi's body guard assassinated her. You don't call the body gaurds terrorists, do you? My post was about comparing these people with Afzal guru. He helped the terrorists to attack the parliament and kill as many as possible. It was a fidayeen attack and it didn't target a single person like LTTE did.[/quote'] Stupid comment. They bloody killed 15 people along with PM of country who spoke the same language as they did. And you say they are not terrorists? I am fine with commuting death sentence as in principle I am against death penalty. But releasing them in ludicrous, outrageous and would be a dangerous precedent.
Blue Star Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Stupid comment. They bloody killed 15 people along with PM of country who spoke the same language as they did. And you say they are not terrorists? I am fine with commuting death sentence as in principle I am against death penalty. But releasing them in ludicrous, outrageous and would be a dangerous precedent. Arey, those 15 people were not their targets. They didn't kill them deliberately, did they? The target was Rajiv Gandhi not those 15 people who died with him.
Sachin=GOD Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Arey' date=' those 15 people were not their targets. They didn't kill them deliberately, did they? The target was Rajiv Gandhi not those 15 people who died with him.[/quote'] Even in that case they were still targeting someone to assasinate him - and they succeeded not only in that but also caused the death of many others. These people do not deserve to be out of jail. Ever.
Raghav_12 Posted February 20, 2014 Author Posted February 20, 2014 Arey' date=' those 15 people were not their targets. They didn't kill them deliberately, did they? The target was Rajiv Gandhi not those 15 people who died with him.[/quote'] so, when they planned Rajiv attack, they had thought that Rajiv would be there walking alone by himself and they would kill him easily. But at the time of blast unexpectedly more people turned up who happened to get killed. Right? It just no point in talking to somebody who is justifying killing of so many innocents.
Blue Star Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Even in that case they were still targeting someone to assasinate him - and they succeeded not only in that but also caused the death of many others. These people do not deserve to be out of jail. Ever. These 4 guys didn't help the LTTE to kill those 15 people died with him. They helped him to get rid of Rajiv Gandhi. How can you make them guilty for the suicide bomber who took away many lives with her?
Sachin=GOD Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 BREAKING NEWS - SC restrains TN Govt from releasing the 7 convicts.
fineleg Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 ^ Buy a brain BS Bluestar to be renamed B.S. since he writes B.S.
Blue Star Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 so, when they planned Rajiv attack, they had thought that Rajiv would be there walking alone by himself and they would kill him easily. But at the time of blast unexpectedly more people turned up who happened to get killed. Right? It just no point in talking to somebody who is justifying killing of so many innocents. I'm not justifying anything. I'm not justifying Rajiv Gandhi either who sent Indian troops to kill LTTE and those troops didn't stop killing the LTTE, but they raped and killed many innocent Tamils, which was the reason why LTTE assassinated Rajiv Gandhi. It was clearly not our fight. He intervened in Sri Lankan's internal issues and paid for it. I have no sympathy for rajiv Gandhi but I do care about these people who knowingly or unknowingly aided LTTE to assassinate Rajiv Gandhi. They are rotting in prison for 21 years, not knowing when they will be hanged. The jail term is more than enough for assisting LTTE for assassinating a single person. If that person happens to be a prime minister, so be it. It doesn't make him a superior to other human beings. What about the others killed with him? Its not the fault of these 4 people. They didn't help LTTE to kill the others. It was LTTE 's fault.
Raghav_12 Posted February 20, 2014 Author Posted February 20, 2014 Arun Jaitley @arunjaitley · 4m Difficult to comprehend institutional compassion towards the assassins of a former Prime Minister of the country http://bit.ly/MCOPLp
Sachin=GOD Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 BREAKING NEWS - SC restrains TN Govt from releasing the 7 convicts. Correction - SC restrains TN Govt from releasing 3 convicts.
CSK Fan Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 I'm not justifying anything. I'm not justifying Rajiv Gandhi either who sent Indian troops to kill LTTE and those troops didn't stop killing the LTTE' date=' but they raped and killed many innocent Tamils, which was the reason why LTTE assassinated Rajiv Gandhi. It was clearly not our fight. He intervened in Sri Lankan's internal issues and paid for it. I have no sympathy for rajiv Gandhi but I do care about these people who knowingly or unknowingly aided LTTE to assassinate Rajiv Gandhi. They are rotting in prison for 21 years, not knowing when they will be hanged. The jail term is more than enough for assisting LTTE for assassinating a single person. If that person happens to be a prime minister, so be it. It doesn't make him a superior to other human beings. What about the others killed with him? Its not the fault of these 4 people. They didn't help LTTE to kill the others. It was LTTE 's fault.[/quote'] Whatever you claim, there is no defense for killing those 14 other innocent people In the end you are no better than those who defend The taliban, defend the Al Queda. Because any terrorist apologizer will always find reasons when they want to. And all the terrorists of the world seek and strive on support of people like you. That's the only way terrorists survive
CSK Fan Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 These 4 guys didn't help the LTTE to kill those 15 people died with him. They helped him to get rid of Rajiv Gandhi. How can you make them guilty for the suicide bomber who took away many lives with her? Because unless they are born without a brain, they would know how many innocents will be killed when so much bomb material and such a public place is chosen. And ignorance is never, ever a defense in any kind of crime, let alone mass murders. Has your conscience died, dammit, has your hatred for someone erased all humanity in you? What kind of person are you, what kind of human being?
randomGuy Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 21 yrs is enough i guess. If they were ( like 55+ yrs) old now, i would have released them
BeautifulGame Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Confessions of Nalini, sentenced to death for Rajiv Gandhi's assassination. May 7, 1991:"Subha, Dhanu and myself surveyed the place and requested some organisers to allow us to garland V.P. Singh when he comes to the dais. However, the organisers did not permit us. But Subha and Dhanu managed to reach V.P. Singh and hand over the garland to him...." May 21, 1991: "I saw Subha was trying to put Dhanu in the crowd of people waiting to greet Rajiv Gandhi. Once Rajiv Gandhi began to receive shawls from people the queue broke. Dhanu sneaked into the ladies crowd which surrounded Rajiv Gandhi and came close to him. When Kokila was reciting her poem, she exploded the bomb...." Nalini, the 33-year old stenographer, now mother of a five-year old girl born in jail, proved to be the most vital link for the Special Investigation Team (SIT). She was the principal accused, the only survivor of the five-member "assault" team which killed Rajiv Gandhi, whose confessional statement provedto be the clincher for the investigators. In all, 17 of the 26 accused persons gave confessions under Section 15 of the Terrorists and Disruptives (Prevention) Act (TADA). Though all the confessions were retracted later, they remained admissible evidence and as a reading of the 1,600-page judgment shows, the versions of Nalini, Murugan, the LTTE militant who indoctrinated and later married her, as well as that of Santhan, another hardcore LTTE militant formed the core of the conspiracy case. It was another Sri Lankan accused, Jayakumar who first speaks of the two "tigresses" who arrived on May 1, 1991 in Madras as part of the nine-member assassination squad with Sivarasan. Jayakumar introduces the LTTE's death-squad saying that, "Sivarasan had lost one eye in the war with IPKF. Subha and Dhanu were trained LTTE tigresses. Both of them would speak ill of the IPKF and Rajiv Gandhi." In his confession, Murugan says he knows Dhanu as "Anbu" and had seen her in LTTE training camps. Giving his profile of thewould-be assassin, he says she used to work with Akila, the head of the LTTE's women's intelligence wing and used to maintain the files of prisoners. His version finds corroboration in the confession of another accused, Athirai, who says he had first spotted Dhanu in the LTTE's training camp in Mathaiya. Dhanu, she recalls, was unmarried, had lost her father, used to drive a moped in Sri Lanka and spoke very little to the others in the LTTE camps. The first "dry run" attempted by the LTTE is mentioned in the confession of Bhagyanathan, Nalini's brother (also sentenced). Even before the death squad had arrived, Murugan had begun the indoctrination of Nalini and on April 18, when Rajiv Gandhi was beginning his election campaign, took her along for a rally Rajiv attended along with Jayalalitha. Bhagyanathan also confesses that it was he who introduced the photographer, Haribabu ("he was also interested in the LTTE"), to the squad. In her lengthy confession, Nalini says she had realised early Murugan andSivarasan wanted to use her as a "cover" for Dhanu and Subha. "They had difficulty in communicating as they spoke in typical Sri Lankan accent. For this reason they needed my services as a natural cover." But her role as a co-conspirator was also clear to her. "...by now I had been mentally prepared for retaliatory action including killing of leaders". Nalini makes it evident that the "dry run" conducted by the gang during V.P. Singh's election rally at Nandanam, Chennai, was their acid test. But they failed -- Nalini did not make it to the dais and Subha and Dhanu could only hand over the garland to him. Murugan confesses to the blunder later, "I had given Nalini my Yashika camera to photograph V.P. Singh. But she did not photograph properly due to nervousness. Subha and Dhanu could not garland V.P. Singh in the neck as he received it in the hand. Sivarasan scolded everybody for not garlanding on the dais and he warned that they should not repeat it." In his judgment, Justice V. Navaneetham hasinterspersed the versions of the accused with the corroborative evidence collected by the SIT. Subha and Dhanu, for instance, mention the "dry runs," in two letters they wrote in mid-May to Pottu Amman, the head of LTTE's intelligence wing and Akila, the head of the women's intelligence wing from Madras. In one letter, Dhanu and Subha write, "we are confident of succeeding in our mission for we had encountered a similar situation. We will complete the mission by the month end". In the other letter they say: "We believe that the objective for which we have come here will be accomplished successfully because we had encountered a similar situation (we went very close to Singh)..."Justice Navaneetham has given the judgment a fictional tilt by taking the plot back and forth -- using bits of evidence marshalled by the SIT and, then, the confessional statements. According to him, the plot thickens once Sivarasan learns from newspapers that Rajiv Gandhi was, finally, arriving in Sriperumbudur. Nalini recalls thatSivarasan was "very tense and excited. He said they had come only for this...I had a strong feeling that Rajiv Gandhi was their final target." The judge uses a bunch of other confessions to describe how the LTTE's squad prepared for Sriperumbudur. In her confession, Nalini says that one day before the assassination, Dhanu was complaining of a pain in her ankle and she (Nalini) advised her to get treated in her mother, Padma's house. "From this conduct of Sivarasan," the judgment notes, "it can be inferred that Dhanu was going to kill Rajiv Gandhi and that is why Sivarasan wanted to make her 100 per cent fit before they left for final assault." It is from the confessions of Vijayan, another Sri Lankan accused, and Nalini comes the countdown to the tragedy. Vijayan describes how Dhanu and Subha had carefully dressed for the occasion, Dhanu had applied make-up and was photographed with Sivarasan's camera. But it is the version of Nalini which is the most incriminating. She confessed that, "Subha told me thatDhanu was going to create history today by assassinating Rajiv Gandhi and that I will be very happy if I also participated in that. I agreed. I could also see that Dhanu was concealing an apparatus inside her dress." She then describes how before boarding the bus for Sriperumbudur, Dhanu said she wanted to say her final prayers and was taken to the Pillayar Temple. They then purchased a garland, had ice-cream and boarded the bus for Sriperumbudur. Once in the meeting ground, Nalini recalls how Sivarasan was trying to put Dhanu in the crowd of people surging forward to greet Rajiv Gandhi and trying to talk to two women in particular -- Latha Kanan and her daughter, Kokila who was supposed to read out a poem to Rajiv Gandhi. On the dais, Rajiv had noticed Kokila. He patted the girl on her back. Kokila began reciting the poem. Dhanu was standing right behind her. And this time she did not falter. Besides the confessions of the 17 accused, the version of one more witness is relied upon heavily by the judge.It is the evidence given to the court by a former member of the Rajya Sabha and a member of the DMK party, who has been put on the list of coded witnesses. The former MP had confessed to having clandestinely visited Jaffna in 1989 to meet LTTE supremo, V. Prabhakaran and had been video-taped. The coded witness had also admitted that on July 30, 1987 he had spoken to Prabhakaran on telephone from Ashoka Hotel in New Delhi. Prabhakaran had spoken the following words, "we have been betrayed by the Government of India and by Rajiv Gandhi. I have been stabbed in the back." This according to the judgment is the raison 'd eat of the assassination of the former prime minister. Later, the former MP had spoken at an international Tamil Conference in London, where his speech had again been taped. However, as the assassination trial progressed and the role of the LTTE was established, the former MP turned hostile. Unwilling to let go evidence which hinted at the motive for the killing, technical experts from theIndian Institute of Technology, probably for the first time for a criminal trial in India, did "neutral networking" of the speech and visuals in the cassettes and matched them with the voice and features of the witness. Thus, besides the versions of the accused themselves, his evidence remained crucial for the prosecution.
Blue Star Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Because unless they are born without a brain' date=' they would know how many innocents will be killed when so much bomb material and such a public place is chosen. And ignorance is never, ever a defense in any kind of crime, let alone mass murders. Has your conscience died, dammit, has your hatred for someone erased all humanity in you? What kind of person are you, what kind of human being?[/quote'] oh, oh. U got me completely wrong on this issue. I'm only saying these people may not be aware of the intensity of the bomb blast. Yes, they helped LTTE to assassinate rajiv Gandhi but give the benefit of the doubt that these guys maybe not aware of the intensity of the blast because none of these guys directly helped them to build the bomb. Unless it is proven in the court that these people knew the intensity of the bomb blast, you can hold them guilty only for Rajiv Gandhi's assassination, not for the other 15 people died with him. Think about a life in which you don't know if you will be alive for the next day for 21 years. They have payed more than what they did for. These guys deserve some humanitarian relief after 21 years.
nballa Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 I don't get the concept of life imprisonment for murder, I mean why does the government feed and clothe and put a roof over the head of murderers with tax payers money? just put a bullet through their brains and end it.
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