Old guy Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 From the moment' date=' slide to unlock patent was invented or even before. That's now how patent system works.[/quote'] then can you explain me why it was such big part of law suit ? did apple try to sue samsung for that or not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 and patent is "invalid" in germany http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/04/04/apples-slide-to-unlock-patent-invalidated-in-german-litigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 then can you explain me why it was such big part of law suit ? did apple try to sue samsung for that or not ? Because the dhakkan that Samsung is, they tried to use that feature (along with many others) and implemented the same way Apple did. That feature along with others got believing that Samsung's phone was indistinguishable from an iPhone. That was the problem - the problem wasn't one feature but 150 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Because the dhakkan that Samsung is' date=' they tried to use that feature (along with many others) and implemented the same way Apple did. That feature along with others got believing that Samsung's phone was indistinguishable from an iPhone. That was the problem - the problem wasn't one feature but 150 of them.[/quote'] and thats why i said they deserve to be sued but not for features like this but trying to imitate apple's phone and trying to create a clone ...i am sure you will able to understand what i am trying to say ... i jsut feel old system are not good enough to deal with software and hardware where shapes come secondary or button placement is not important as in past Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 and patent is "invalid" in germany http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/04/04/apples-slide-to-unlock-patent-invalidated-in-german-litigation The litigation is made up of multiple patents. The patent consisting of slide-to-unlock is invalid in the German litigation. This depends on the judge, law system etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 and thats why i said they deserve to be sued but not for features like this but trying to imitate apple's phone and trying to create a clone ...i am sure you will able to understand what i am trying to say ... i jsut feel old system are not good enough to deal with software and hardware where shapes come secondary or button placement is not important as in past How can you sue Samsung for trying to imitate phone? Do you have a better litigation process in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 How can you sue Samsung for trying to imitate phone? Do you have a better litigation process in mind? process should be same but patent system should be better let me give you example of guy who had an idea about mp3 player like thing giving you stories and he patented it....now he is suing podcasters and getting rich..is this fair ? i am not legal expert but i am sure there are plenty of smart people who can sort this system out rest will work well automatically .. they can get valid things patented like if they created finger print scanner its technology they can patent it but they cannot be allowed to patent just where home button is ... without technology samsung cannot copy if they similar type of different technology then its not really copying is it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 also i will add if its not valid in germany i am sure they will have some good system in place to safeguard companies ...obviously it will have shortcomings too but still this proves current system is not the only solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 process should be same but patent system should be better let me give you example of guy who had an idea about mp3 player like thing giving you stories and he patented it....now he is suing podcasters and getting rich..is this fair ? i am not legal expert but i am sure there are plenty of smart people who can sort this system out rest will work well automatically .. they can get valid things patented like if they created finger print scanner its technology they can patent it but they cannot be allowed to patent just where home button is ... without technology samsung cannot copy if they similar type of different technology then its not really copying is it ? Actually, the patent system doesn't allow that patent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 also i will add if its not valid in germany i am sure they will have some good system in place to safeguard companies ...obviously it will have shortcomings too but still this proves current system is not the only solution Mostly, it depends on the judge/jury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 also i am well aware this is design patent but did apple really invent anything here ? wa there no product prior to it with similar design ? there are pictures on internet showing phone with same rounded corners and home button in middle ..how is this worthy of patent even if they do not sue anyone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Actually' date=' the patent system doesn't allow that patent.[/quote'] but rectangle is allowed ? this is from xda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 also i am well aware this is design patent but did apple really invent anything here ? wa there no product prior to it with similar design ? there are pictures on internet showing phone with same rounded corners and home button in middle ..how is this worthy of patent even if they do not sue anyone ? but rectangle is allowed ? this is from xda Each patent in itself is meaningless but can be used to build up a litigation. So, tomorrow go to a judge and say "Hey! That's rectangle and I want to sue X"; your case won't even go to trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Each patent in itself is meaningless but can be used to build up a litigation. So' date=' tomorrow go to a judge and say "Hey! That's rectangle and I want to sue X"; your case won't even go to trial.[/quote'] then why allow such patents if its meaningless ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 then why allow such patents if its meaningless ? Because they can be used as small parts of a bigger litigation suit - that is exactly what it was meant for. It helps divide the issue into manageable units. It helps build the big picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 also i am well aware this is design patent but did apple really invent anything here ? wa there no product prior to it with similar design ? there are pictures on internet showing phone with same rounded corners and home button in middle ..how is this worthy of patent even if they do not sue anyone ? have u heard of antenna gate ?? ( jobs told iFans that they are holding the phone wrong ) apple is good in making the existing things better.. for ex: 1) antennas are made of metals ( bt , wifi or cellular watever ) 2) usually antennas are kept inside the phone which takes space apple came up with an awesome idea ( and patent it before using :D ) .. use the metal frame as antenna itself .. this is a very simple idea , but apple came up and patented it.. it might be simple and obvious now .. but apple deserve something for finding the obvious thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 wont it be better to just not allow anyone else make product which look exactly like ipad like that freaking mipad by xaiomi ? make design more detailed and just not allow anything which is too close to it ? now this should never be allowed but is patent of rounded corner really answer to this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 have u heard of antenna gate ?? ( jobs told iFans that they are holding the phone wrong ) apple is good in making the existing things better.. for ex: 1) antennas are made of metals ( bt , wifi or cellular watever ) 2) usually antennas are kept inside the phone which takes space apple came up with an awesome idea ( and patent it before using :D ) .. use the metal frame as antenna itself .. this is a very simple idea , but apple came up and patented it.. it might be simple and obvious now .. but apple deserve something for finding the obvious thing this is different ..i am totally in favor of allowing patents for such things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Because they can be used as small parts of a bigger litigation suit - that is exactly what it was meant for. It helps divide the issue into manageable units. It helps build the big picture. sorry but this highlights the problem with current system this shape should never be allowed to be patented no one designed rounded corners they existed long before in many products in similar and different categories ...rounded corners existed before and phone which look closer to iphone than galaxy s does existed before it and slide to unlock existed before it ...do u really not see flaw in system here ? and that patent was invalid in many other countries i think even in australia ..its old news so i forgot details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 wont it be better to just not allow anyone else make product which look exactly like ipad like that freaking mipad by xaiomi ? make design more detailed and just not allow anything which is too close to it ? now this should never be allowed but is patent of rounded corner really answer to this ? dude.. looks like xiaomi will be opening a RnD division in bangalore :woot: some of their inbuilt apps are simple , basic UI and really kewl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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