surajmal Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 parents know best for their kids, i agree with that, but here options are limited for parents. its not like the west where my parents can choose for me to go to college or just start working in a family business. there is just one option and that IMO is what government has to change. broaden the range of option for children of poor families. Exactly, the fundamental issue is simply this: People are trying to solve the problems arising due to scarcity with tools/ideas sourced from society of abundance. Not gonna work. Those that see benefits in educating their kids are already doing so. A poor person has to be pragmatic. The hi fi importance that the middle classes give to education holds no meaning to those that are struggling to just make do waqt ki roti. So the rest will follow, when they really see that positives far outweigh the negatives. Benefit of the doubt has to be left with the parent because no parent wants to intentionally harm their children.
FischerTal Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Exactly, the fundamental issue is simply this: People are trying to solve the problems arising due to scarcity with tools/ideas sourced from society of abundance. Not gonna work. Those that see benefits in educating their kids are already doing so. A poor person has to be pragmatic. The hi fi importance that the middle classes give to education holds no meaning to those that are struggling to just make do waqt ki roti. So the rest will follow, when they really see that positives far outweigh the negatives. Benefit of the doubt has to be left with the parent because no parent wants to intentionally harm their children. i agree that parents need to think pragmatically for their children, irrespective of their socioeconomic background because real life is not some bollywood movie where problems magically disappear in 2 and a half hours. ( the only concern i would have is that many times child labour is exploited to the hilt by employers who treat them just as they would treat any adults) however, the second part of my statement still holds true, which is that while the poor do continue to seek means for survival in anyway they can, the government also should hold up its responsibility to alleviate these problems through whatever means possible. i particularly like the idea you posted about the brazillian bureaucrats who pay parents to make sure students go to school. if something like this can be done in India, it would be a significant change for the country although it will take some time to see the effects.
surajmal Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Faster (time), Cheaper (cost) , Better (quality) engineering principle can be superimposed onto many different problems/domains (and you can only pick 2 of the 3). India has so many problems that it won't be able to address all of them to everyone's satisfaction all the time. So there will be finger pointing from here on out unless you have a - 2nd industrial revolution/ dramatic leap in technology - reduction in population - Colonization of other planets - discovery of oil/precious metals etc under Indian soil - India wins wars against other countries and loot their resources or - combination of the above. So someone else will win the Nobel piss prize in the future and Indians will get another opportunity to self-flagellate.
Sachin=GOD Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Facebook post on Kailash Satyarthi that should make Indians, media and the government think Ever since Kailash Satyarthi's name was announced as one of the recipients of this year's Nobel Peace prize last week, accolades and good wishes have been pouring in for the child rights activist across various platforms. Satyarthi, among the many roles he dons as a social activist, is the co-founder of Bachpan Bachao Andolan and is known for his work towards the elimination of child trafficking and child labour. When Satyarthi's name cropped up as the recipient for the prestigious award for Peace along side Pakistan's Malala Yousafsai, it was a proud moment for India. Many realised how little they knew about the man who's win was widely being celebrated. Some had heard about his NGO, but his name didn't really strike a familiar chord. Soon, full profiles on Satyarthi's life and work were published, his achievements highlighted. These also gave rise to some pertinent questions. If Satyarthi's work is deserving of a Nobel, why hasn't he been recognised with an award by the Indian government yet? Satyarthi's name was nominated for the Nobel by the European government and not India- what does it signify? A Facebook user Vinod Thomas recently shared a post written by his friend Prasad Kumar suggesting how we often ignore many who do real work bearing significant results and are bringing about a social change, just for the lack of popularity. Thomas' post reads, A thought provoking note from my friend Prasad: It has been about 20 hours since the "breaking news" of Nobel Peace prize to Mr. Kailash Satyarthi. In these 20 hrs I did a bit of research on him and this is what I found. He gave up his career as an electrical engineer. He began his mission of fighting for children's rights in 1980 i.e he has been at it for 34 years now. 2 of his colleagues got murdered and he himself got attacked once. Which means forget the Nobel prize, being alive itself is a huge award for him. He won his first award in 1984 and since then he won about 8 awards. And guess how many of those awards were given by his motherland for his yeoman service? ZERO! During these 34 years approximately 4000 Padma awards and about 25 Bharat Ratnas and many more awards have been "doled" out, but Mr Satyarthi is not one of them. Because you see our standards are very high!! During the same period dozens of " eminent" people have been nominated to Rajya Sabha and to many other such " prestigious" positions. But once again Mr Satyarthi did not qualify for any of them. No PM ever felt it important to call him for discussions ( even as they were meeting Film stars) and ask him what needs to be done to give children their rights!! And guess who nominated him for the Nobel prize this year? Indian Parliament? BJP? Congress? RSS? VHP? MP government ( his home state)? Rajiv gandhi Foundation? NO. He was nominated by EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT! So in nutshell he won this Nobel peace prize entirely due to his efforts and despite the Government/Media/Civil Society ( largely, because some people from the civil society did help him along). But today we all want a piece of his fame and glory. Who knows there might be a queue of Bollywood producers outside his door!! Did someone say Peepli Live-II? http://www.thenewsminute.com/socials/270
Raghav_12 Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 is the child getting any skill-based education? otherwise all that will happen is in the future the child will be bringing along her own child to earn some extra money. with due respect, its easy for us to say that it will allow them to earn more money but should short term gains be justified for a non-ending status quo? Points that he made definitely have merit. Once I had confronted one of the restaurant owner in my neighborhood for use of children. He said to me so what you would rather like, these kids go out and stand on red lights as begger or start doing pick pocketing or simply die of hunger. He told there is no other way they can survive. Not only this, some of them carrying responsibilities for their families at tender age of 14-15 which stay back in their village. So if I remove these kids they would also suffer. Problem is more deep-rooted. Poverty is main cause and then broken or abusive families.
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