fineleg Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 even sehwag can edge within 5 overs in Oz, but he would have blasted away one of the two opening bowlers by then which is really important... that changes the mindset of the bowler and the captain completely... it even smoothens the hard red ball... :P OLD sehwag can blast. CURRENT sehwag cant blast ranji bowlers on indian pitches :giggle: Link to comment
praveenj Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 again, on indian pitches even the bigger players are trying it difficult to score 300 as a team... you have to understand that... these pitches are conducive to hitting on the rise, you can't trust the bounce even with a new ball... in Oz its all predictable, even the line and length of the bowlers... You always know that the Oz bowlers keep coming at you. Such striking bowlers can sometimes be more expensive... Link to comment
fineleg Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Praveen, Score fast or slow. If he is getting SINGLE digits against Ranji bowlers, you expect all of a sudden he will be transformed to a blaster in Aus? Please - this is *not* the old sehwag anymore. If you still think he will blast in Aus, ok, I agree to disagree with you. Link to comment
praveenj Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I meant my words differently da... I know this is not the old Sehwag we had seen.... but he is a different and will require only one big innings to regain confidence... we all know it doesn't matter to him who holds the red cherry in their hand to bowl to him... be it a ranji bowler or lee... Link to comment
gs Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Simple answer: Sehwag. Simple field setting: Set a third man, deep point or backward point, cover on the boundary and everyone else from 1st. slip to point and bowl short, on and outside off stump. Sure, he may get a couple over for 6 but getting a Test opener before he's reached 15 or 20 is good. I don't think its that easy Donny. If that was the case, people wouldn't have taken so long figure him out and let him score runs all over the world (debut century and a test average of nearly 50 as a opener - thats a rare breed in India!!). Did he not smack every bowler in sight in tests until the point Dungsucker dropped him?!? Yeah, hitting sixes over point is his game, but it doesn't mean he would provide catching practice if fielders were positioned there. I agree with the simplicity bit though - he is a kind of player who keeps the game simple - see ball, hit ball. He doesn't have the work ethic of an Aussie player to go back to FC cricket and sort out his game. That's the way most Indian players are - bar a Dravid. For example, what the hell did Ganguly do to merit a berth in the test side after being dropped?!? Has he not performed fabulously well since his return?!? Sometimes logic and Indian cricket dont go together at all. He needs to be persisted with and that's the only way he will regain his confidence - one good knock will resurrect the Sehwag of the old. I think its worth the gamble rather than not having him in the team. How many Indian players can boast of scoring 195 under a day as an opener in Aussie land? Its another story that India completely effed up after that and lost that test! Link to comment
praveenj Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I don't think its that easy Donny. If that was the case' date=' people wouldn't have taken so long figure him out and let him score runs all over the world (debut century and a test average of nearly 50 as a opener - thats a rare breed in India!!). Did he not smack every bowler in sight in [u']tests until the point Dungsucker dropped him?!? Yeah, hitting sixes over point is his game, but it doesn't mean he would provide catching practice if fielders were positioned there. I agree with the simplicity bit though - he is a kind of player who keeps the game simple - see ball, hit ball. He doesn't have the work ethic of an Aussie player to go back to FC cricket and sort out his game. That's the way most Indian players are - bar a Dravid. For example, what the hell did Ganguly do to merit a berth in the test side after being dropped?!? Has he not performed fabulously well since his return?!? Sometimes logic and Indian cricket dont go together at all. He needs to be persisted with and that's the only way he will regain his confidence - one good knock will resurrect the Sehwag of the old. I think its worth the gamble rather than not having him in the team. How many Indian players can boast of scoring 195 under a day as an opener in Aussie land? Its another story that India completely effed up after that and lost that test! agreed completely... sehwag just needs one good innings to get into the groove... Link to comment
Donny Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Wishful thinking, preveenj. Sure, it would be nice but has little basis in logic. I, and many other Aussie cricket lovers, would love to see an in form Viru out here this summer. Thanks, gs. Nice to get a thoughful reply. :regular_smile: Link to comment
praveenj Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Wishful thinking, preveenj. Sure, it would be nice but has little basis in logic. I, and many other Aussie cricket lovers, would love to see an in form Viru out here this summer. Thanks, gs. Nice to get a thoughful reply. :regular_smile: Most of us here in India generally live in wishes yaar... no harm in wishing when we don't know if it's gonna happen or not.. :wink_smile: Link to comment
The Outsider Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I, and many other Aussie cricket lovers, would love to see an in form Viru out here this summer. And all this while I thought you were just a cricket lover. Link to comment
guju24 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: Right, doesnt matter how shewagh is performing in ranji league He cannot hit poor bowlers in INDIAN pitches. But he will smack Lee, Stuart Clark and Mitchell Johnson in Brisbane :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: its not funny bro...if u check test avg then u would knw tht he is better in test then one day...a player averaging 55 in test is not good player...???then i think sachin and rahul dravid also need to be replaced... Link to comment
gs Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Wishful thinking, preveenj. Sure, it would be nice but has little basis in logic. I, and many other Aussie cricket lovers, would love to see an in form Viru out here this summer. Thanks, gs. Nice to get a thoughful reply. :regular_smile: No worries, just being a passionate Indian cricket fan and hoping for a similar series as the one in 2003-2004 down under. :D Link to comment
guju24 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 No worries' date=' just being a passionate Indian cricket fan and hoping for a similar series as the one in 2003-2004 down under. :D[/quote'] i think this time its going to be better then that one...this time india will win 2-1 for sure... Link to comment
fineleg Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 its not funny bro...if u check test avg then u would knw tht he is better in test then one day...a player averaging 55 in test is not good player...???then i think sachin and rahul dravid also need to be replaced... Guju24. im not talking abt odis at all. im talking 4-day Ranji matches with 2 inn...thats similar to Test format, and our Aloo-parantha-wala flops there, right? Test format still does not produce a good knock from TODAYs sehwag Link to comment
Donny Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 And all this while I thought you were just a cricket lover. Quite untrue, shwet. Sarcasm noted. You, and most others in here, have treated me like a rampant Oz tream supporter and yet I've never professed such sentiments. I'm a cricket lover who lives in Australia - Aussie cricket lover. Link to comment
The Outsider Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Quite untrue, shwet. Sarcasm noted. You, and most others in here, have treated me like a rampant Oz tream supporter and yet I've never professed such sentiments. I'm a cricket lover who lives in Australia - Aussie cricket lover. Aaah the technicalities! Link to comment
guju24 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Guju24. im not talking abt odis at all. im talking 4-day Ranji matches with 2 inn...thats similar to Test format, and our Aloo-parantha-wala flops there, right? Test format still does not produce a good knock from TODAYs sehwag have BCCI tried him in the test...no then u cant predict wht is he going to perform...and i think the last ranjo match in which he didnt perform at all i guess...and even he fails couple of matches then its not big deal...he has performed enough in test to be failed couple of time... Link to comment
praveenj Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 have BCCI tried him in the test...no then u cant predict wht is he going to perform...and i think the last ranjo match in which he didnt perform at all i guess...and even he fails couple of matches then its not big deal...he has performed enough in test to be failed couple of time... but that couple of times had iterated several times, enough to keep him out of the side...he has to go through what ganguly, pathan, dravid went through...only he can prove himself to be worthy, its not our job... Link to comment
guju24 Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 but that couple of times had iterated several times' date=' enough to keep him out of the side...he has to go through what ganguly, pathan, dravid went through...only he can prove himself to be worthy, its not our job...[/quote'] ganguly, dravid dropped for onedyaers...and ganguly's case very different since he was involve in politics...abt dravid i dont if it was rite or wrong...and pathan had to but he comback good...but here we talking abt shewag's test form in which he never failed...and if u guys telling me that he is not performing in ranji so he shouldnt be in team then there are many players fro ranji needs to replaced with our 11 players...they have far better avg then regulars... Link to comment
Ram Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 ICF-ers have voted decisively for Karthik. Good to see consistent performances being acknowledged. Link to comment
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