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[KeyboardWarrior]

Pardon me KW' date='but didn't j-31 got bad reviews from foreign and Chinese analyst at the Chinese air show.[/quote'] Well Bro, I think PAF knows very well what they are looking for .... IMO ... PAF will go for j-10 or j-31 ... whatever suits thre future requirement ..... :dontknow:

[G_B_]

Well Bro, I think PAF knows very well what they are looking for .... IMO ... PAF will go for j-10 or j-31 ... whatever suits thre future requirement ..... :dontknow:

isnt jf17 a localised version of j10

[KeyboardWarrior]

isnt jf17 a localised version of j10

Nope, also J10 is ahead of jf17 in specifications .... and its the Version of Israeli Lavi.

[Kalia_Test]

China's FC 31 disappoints - link The big curiosity at this year’s Airshow China was the prototype Shenyang FC-31 fighter that was making its first public appearance. Previously billed as the J-31, the stealthy-looking aircraft first flew two years ago. It is a smaller complement to the Chengdu J-20, which was the first of the PRC’s new stealth aircraft. Although the aircraft has a configuration that resembles the American fifth-generation fighters, it is not yet possible to know just how successful the Shenyang design team has been in developing an aircraft with a low radar cross section. The proficiency of the Chinese aerospace industry in radar-absorbent materials (RAM) technology, and its ability to minimize both radar and infrared signatures, remains unknown. The FC-31 is powered by two Russian-made Klimov RD-93 engines, which are a specialized variant of the MiG-29 powerplant There have been rumors that a team of Mikoyan designers assisted Shenyang in the development of the aircraft. Senior MiG officials deny this and state that the design is completely Chinese. If they were involved in the FC-31 design, MiG officials might not want to take any credit, because the display at Zhuhai revealed some poor aerodynamic efficiency. The aircraft bleeds too much energy and the pilot had hard time keeping the nose up during turns and other maneuvers. He also had to engage afterburners far too often to maintain a proper energy utilization curve. Western aerospace analysts point out that the FC-31 flown at Zhuhai was a “clean†jet. An aircraft configured for a real mission and fitted with weapons would be even heavier and would have an even more dismal flight performance, they said. A large-scale model of the FC-31 on display inside the halls at Zhuhai showed some detail changes of configuration, compared to the flying prototype. Observers of China’s aerospace industry point out that the aircraft is designed primarily for export and that the PRC’s industry desperately wants to generate more export sales. Russia, for its part, has offered to integrate some of its weapons onto the aircraft so that its sale to a foreign nation would not compromise the technical details of Chinese weapons that Beijing would like to reserve for the exclusive use of the PLAAF. ------------------- LINK China's newly unveiled J-31 stealth fighter has received bad reviews at home and abroad after making its first public demonstration flight during the biennial Zhuhai Airshow in the southern province of Guangdong. The criticism of J-31, China's second fifth-generation fighter jet, mainly stems from the dark exhaust emitting from the jet's engine, which indicates the engine's poor efficiency in burning fuel. There are two types of engines used on the J-31 jets — the RD-93 used by Russia's MiG-29 fighters will be fitted to those intended for foreign clients, while the ones deployed by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) will have the WS-13 engine developed from the RD-93. It is unclear which type of engine the J-31 on display in Zhuhai used. Meanwhile, PLA Navy Rear Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong said in a speech in Xiamen on Nov. 17 that China's reverse engineering still has its limitations, and that it will take the country another few years to achieve a breakthrough in developing its own engines. Zhang said the development of a jet engine involves mechanics and digital control, and the former is far more easy to master than the latter. "This part is too difficult and not something that can be achieved successly in a short time," he said. Zhang also believes that the J-31 jet is too heavy. Meanwhile, Teal Group analyst Richard Aboulafia said prospects for the J-31 jet's export market are not as positive as many have described. Aboulafia said countries buying Chinese military hardware are mainly poor, with Pakistan the largest customer, and China may have to find new clients for the higher-end fifth-generation fighters. These new clients are most likely China's neighbors, but these countries will have their about Beijing given the tensions existing between them, Aboulafia added. Moreover, the fifth-generation jets may have already come too late, since the US Air Force and Navy have both begun plans to develop their next-generation fighters to replace the F-22 and F/A-18E/F, respectively.

[KeyboardWarrior]

J-31 prototype at 2014 China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition Introduction:

Role: Stealth multirole fighter National origin: People's Republic of China Manufacturer: Shenyang Aircraft Corporation First flight: 31 October 2012 Status: Flight testing Number built: 1 prototype

Stealth fighters takes years to get 100% war ready. It is still under development and a lot will come out as PAF has become part of the PAK FC-31P aka J-31 project in its formative years.

[Kalia_Test]

China’s Second Stealth fighter aircraft Shenyang J-31 or FC-31 developed by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation came under Heavy Criticism from non other but from its own General . one of the official commentators of People’s Liberation Army’s (PLA) Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong instead of making tall claims of the fighter aircraft , took pot shots at the whole J-31 fighter aircraft program . Zhang told the state-run People’s Daily newspaper that the J-31 was never built with China’s military in mind and also dismissed Internet rumors that Chinese Navy is considering development of aircraft carrier variant of J-31 for use from future Chinese aircraft carriers . He also cleared that Objective of J-31 is to position Chinese fighter aircraft in Export market for those who cannot afford Expensive Stealth fighter aircrafts like American made F-35 or Russian made Pak-Fa . In his own words He described J-31 has a low Cost, low-end stealth fighter primarily designed for export like JF-17 which was also designed to replace older Soviet Mig-21’s and which was never used by its own air force . Zhang also made stunning observation that J-31 is too heavy for aircraft in its class and also questioned use of older Russian RD-93 in the aircraft , same engine is also used by Russia’s MiG-29 fighter aircraft which was developed way back 30 years ago . China plans to offer J-31 with two engine option Russian provided RD-93 engine which is also used by JF-17 or the WS-13 engine developed from the RD-93 . Since Pakistani JF-17 are still using Russian provided RD-93 and not the Chinese copy WS-13 it indicates that the engine is not fully operational nor it is capable to be used has a regular engine due to presiding technical problems it is still facing and Recent order placed by China for more RD-93 engine from Russia only further cements this claims of unreliability of WS-13 engines . Zhang too in his speech made reference to limitation of Reverse engineering of Engines and How China is yet few years away from mastering complex engine technology and why it is still depended on Russian engines for its domestic fighter aircraft programs. In Zhuhai Airshow Chinese media declared that Pakistani is very much interested in J-31 Fighter aircrafts and might be first Export customer for the same fighter . Well when it comes to Pakistani Military establishment any thing which comes with †Friendly Price tag †or with Never ending †Soft loan †are always welcomed with open arms , idrw.org had confirmed in past how Pakistan couldn’t even afford to Purchase fourth generation J-10 fighter aircrafts from china . China literally had to make excuse that J-10 has Export Ban and was not cleared by Chinese Government authority to stop Pakistani advances for Friendly Payment terms for Purchase . Are we also forgetting Pakistani air forces phobia of not operating Twin engine fighter aircrafts since it not only raises Operational and Manpower cost but also contributes to Higher fuel cost while providing same level of flight hours to its pilots . Even if Pakistan do end up buying J-31 , numbers put forward by media is only of 36-40 aircrafts which will be little over Two Squadrons , not enough to Change Air power Superiority in the region since India’s has its own plans to Induct 150+ FGFA / PAk-FA along with 126 French built Rafales . Many Western analyst have said that prospects for the J-31 jet’s export market are not as positive as many in Chinese media has described. Countries with stronger economies, bigger defense budgets will not be interested in J-31

[SLICKR392]

How did KW end up posting Pak AF news on this thread? Could you stop derailing the thread or I'll post Shakti Kapoor pics in all your threads.

[G_B_]

Nope' date=' also J10 is ahead of jf17 in specifications .... and its the Version of Israeli Lavi.[/quote'] no like isnt the jf17 like an export oriented version of the j10 which has been dumbed down

[Precambrian]

How did KW end up posting Pak AF news on this thread? Could you stop derailing the thread or I'll post Shakti Kapoor pics in all your threads.

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[KeyboardWarrior]

How did KW end up posting Pak AF news on this thread? Could you stop derailing the thread or I'll post Shakti Kapoor pics in all your threads.

Bro, first of all , I didnt derailed this thread, someone else did, i just added few articles, i realize my mistake now, so I apologize for derailing this thread, Sorry to the OP ...