Guest HariSampath Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Best Thread on ICF I had seen :hatsoff:Fantastic Thread, by the way. The best ever thread on ICF I had seen in 2 months.:thumbs_up: Good thought mb !
varun Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 :hatsoff:Fantastic Thread, by the way. The best ever thread on ICF I had seen in 2 months.:thumbs_up: Good thought mb ! I think you'll like this thread: http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=4760
Guest HariSampath Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 I think you'll like this thread: http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=4760 I just bumped it....maybe we can merge this one ( or wait...atheism as a philosophy of belief deserves its own space, and atheists have to say whether these 2 threads are separate). Answers Varun are available with me :-) and as well as in a certain work called the Bhagavad Gita :two_thumbs_up:
varun Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 I just bumped it....maybe we can merge this one ( or wait...atheism as a philosophy of belief deserves its own space, and atheists have to say whether these 2 threads are separate). Answers Varun are available with me :-) and as well as in a certain work called the Bhagavad Gita :two_thumbs_up: The other thread asks for questions from all people (ones who have religious answers, others who have scientific answers, and most who don't have any answers.. ). That thread is different from this but it's a bit related hence referred it to you.. As far as this thread is concerned, I frankly don't care if I'm an atheist or agnostic or what have you. All I know is i'm too insignificant in the grand scheme of things to be bothered over it. Just curious though, what would such a thought process characterize me as ? Nihilist ?
maggot_brain Posted December 7, 2007 Author Posted December 7, 2007 Thats what I said too. Man has got a natural affinity for some kind of spirituality, based on man's natural tendencies to be happy, be good etc. And the pre-conditions of the creation of Universe itself have never been understood/explained by the most advanced science. I had said that even atheists who don't believe in a "religious god" like Shiva, Jesus, Allah etc..cannot deny the above 2 points, and this being a belief itself, is accepted in Hindu thought as a very valid philosophy. Note : The ancient Vedas don't mention God, but just Truths on creation, philosophy, the nature of the changing universe, the unchanging etc, the importance of values and so on This is an interesting but contentious point. I'll have to search around to find it, but I'm pretty sure there was a study done where stimulating various parts of the brain induced religious or spiritual experiences in subjects. So perhaps there is some truth in your assertion but from a neurological perspective rather than a metaphysical one. Further to this how does psychedelic drugs come into this? Most 'pagan' belief systems used mind-expanding substances and even in the Vedas a mysterious substance, soma is mentioned repeatedly. Again, Timothy Leary conducted a blind study with psychedelic mushrooms and found that a large percentage of those given the mushroom reported spiritual experiences. Anyway my point is, what causes spiritual experience and is it innate or can it be induced in controlled circumstances and therefore explainable in scientific terms?
coffee_rules Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 The other thread asks for questions from all people (ones who have religious answers, others who have scientific answers, and most who don't have any answers.. ). That thread is different from this but it's a bit related hence referred it to you.. As far as this thread is concerned, I frankly don't care if I'm an atheist or agnostic or what have you. All I know is i'm too insignificant in the grand scheme of things to be bothered over it. Just curious though, what would such a thought process characterize me as ? Nihilist ? Or a lazy bum.
The Outsider Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Man's ignorance at any point in history is called God by him. What you don't understand attribute it to some unknown and supreme power. QED.
varun Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Man's ignorance at any point in history is called God by him. What you don't understand attribute it to some unknown and supreme power. QED. Aye.. hence our "indra dev", "agni dev", " dev" :P
maggot_brain Posted December 7, 2007 Author Posted December 7, 2007 Aye.. hence our "indra dev"' date=' "agni dev", " dev" :P[/quote'] and, how ironically, your name too!
varun Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Or a lazy bum.LOL true that.. but ahem.. what do we get by not being lazy ?
varun Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 and' date=' how ironically, your name too![/quote'] Yes I rule over water and wind (I got a line after this that I normally use that won't be appropriate amongst all guys lol)
Predator_05 Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 What happened to the Muslim bashing thread ?
Guest HariSampath Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 The other thread asks for questions from all people (ones who have religious answers, others who have scientific answers, and most who don't have any answers.. ). That thread is different from this but it's a bit related hence referred it to you.. As far as this thread is concerned, I frankly don't care if I'm an atheist or agnostic or what have you. All I know is i'm too insignificant in the grand scheme of things to be bothered over it. Just curious though, what would such a thought process characterize me as ? Nihilist ? You wanna know how that characterises you ? Rene Descartes:D
Guest HariSampath Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Man's ignorance at any point in history is called God by him. What you don't understand attribute it to some unknown and supreme power. QED. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your Philosophy" Hamlet; ( Bard of Avon) :P
Guest HariSampath Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 This is an interesting but contentious point. I'll have to search around to find it' date=' but I'm pretty sure there was a study done where stimulating various parts of the brain induced religious or spiritual experiences in subjects. So perhaps there is some truth in your assertion but from a neurological perspective rather than a metaphysical one. Further to this how does psychedelic drugs come into this? Most 'pagan' belief systems used mind-expanding substances and [b']even in the Vedas a mysterious substance, soma is mentioned repeatedly. Again, Timothy Leary conducted a blind study with psychedelic mushrooms and found that a large percentage of those given the mushroom reported spiritual experiences. Anyway my point is, what causes spiritual experience and is it innate or can it be induced in controlled circumstances and therefore explainable in scientific terms? Well, my local liqor store has it..... and as I am outta stock, I am getting it ...Friday evening, you know ... be back :D
kumble_rocks Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Well' date= my local liqor store has it..... and as I am outta stock, I am getting it ...Friday evening, you know ... be back :D No wonder you left sai baba !:tounge_smile::D
Guest HariSampath Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 No wonder you left sai baba !:tounge_smile::D Isaac Tigrett made all his money from Hard Rock and house of blues...and donated all the money that sai Baba needed for his Super speciality hospital....liquor money , my friend... go figure:eyedance:
Guest HariSampath Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 No wonder you left sai baba !:tounge_smile::D On that note, I would rather have a few drinks, be honest about it, and expose a pedophile fraud, than be a teetotaler and promote a fraud/corrupt man. Thats why I left.
coffee_rules Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 On that note' date=' I would rather have a few drinks, be honest about it, and expose a pedophile fraud, than be a teetotaler and promote a fraud/corrupt man. Thats why I left.[/quote'] Now, can you say the say things about the Prophet? Even he is believed to have married his seven year old niece.
Guest HariSampath Posted December 7, 2007 Posted December 7, 2007 Now' date=' can you say the say things about the Prophet? Even he is believed to have married his seven year old niece.[/quote'] Anyone who marries a 7 year old ( if it can be proven ) for the sake of his own pleasure/physical etc...in today's context is certainly a pedophile if he had coerced the child into sex. On the same note, even till last century/early this century, girls were routinely married off by the age of 14/15 etc..and became mothers by the time they were 16 or even earlier. I would not call these instances pedophilia due toa belief system existing , social structure etc in these times. But if a so called spiritual guru like Sai Baba asks 6th grade or 8th grade boys in his school to indulge in sex with him, and says it is for "spiritual reasons"...I do have a problem with it. That is deliberately cheating the boys just for his personal physical perversities, and this is a clearcut case of pedophilia ( like the catholic church for example..when such cases were exposed)
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