Ponting And Tendulkar comparison

[Ganesh N]

I never read the previous posts. You should also consider the respective teams both played for. Till 2000s Sachin and Ganguly were the main stay in Indian batting. There was always loads and loads of pressure on him to perform day and day out. Ricky, outstanding batsman had a different infact an aggressive team. So i suppose it is not correct to compare both but still i put Sachin ahead of Ponting

[Donny]

Exactly, Ganesh. It's a useless excercise. For a start, Punter hasn't had to face McGrath, Gillespie, Lee, Fleming, Warne etc. in Tests and neither has Sach had to face Kumble, Kartik and Bhajji on a Mumbai goat track or Kumble, Srinath, Bhajji etc., anywhere. There are just so many different factors, it means zilch to say one is 'better' than the other.

[SachDan]

Its not about stats...Sachin hardly figures in the top of any ratings,but whole cricket world knows wat's Sachin and his contributions.. In the mid and late 90's u will hardly see a series..whether its Tests or ODI's India winning with out Sachin as Man of the series. The kind of respect Azhar gets as one of the best Indian captains is purely based on the performance of the Genius called Sachin Tendulkar. Its another matter that Azhar has amassed whopping money even then...but for Sachin he would be some where close to the Tatas and Ambanis!!!!!!!!!!!!:haha:

[SachDan]

Exactly, Ganesh. It's a useless excercise. For a start, Punter hasn't had to face McGrath, Gillespie, Lee, Fleming, Warne etc. in Tests and neither has Sach had to face Kumble, Kartik and Bhajji on a Mumbai goat track or Kumble, Srinath, Bhajji etc., anywhere. There are just so many different factors, it means zilch to say one is 'better' than the other.

If one knows what's the difference between Day and Night,there's nothing that should stop you from uttering infront of the whole world Sachin is the best among the present generation...there's no two opinions about that :two_thumbs_up:

[Guest HariSampath]

I never read the previous posts. You should also consider the respective teams both played for. Till 2000s Sachin and Ganguly were the main stay in Indian batting. There was always loads and loads of pressure on him to perform day and day out. Ricky' date=' outstanding batsman had a different infact an aggressive team. So i suppose it is not correct to compare both but still i put Sachin ahead of Ponting[/quote'] Subjective opinion can be abything... for ex, you can also say that Arun lal was a better batsman than Don Bradman, and stats mean nothing... but the facts are given this moment Ponting has very comfortably outperformed sachin both in tests and ODIs. And by the time Ponting retires, he would have surpassed Sachin's record of 100s , 50s total runs everything in tests. It is a well known fact that Sachin has not performed outside the subcontinent. A real test of a batsman is how he does on quick bouncy tracks, and here Sachin is no comparision to Ponting. In SA and in Aus, Sachin's record is nowhere near Ponting's, who has played half his games on the quick bouncy tracks of Australia. If being the mainstay of the batting is pressure, being part of a champion side is another pressure with a need to play to win, game after game. sachin has never won as many games for India as Ponting has for Australia. And with players like Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman and Sehwag in the batting the pressure on Sachin was not that high as you suggest

[Guest HariSampath]

If one knows what's the difference between Day and Night,there's nothing that should stop you from uttering infront of the whole world Sachin is the best among the present generation...there's no two opinions about that :two_thumbs_up:

The difference between Day and Night is diff btwn Ponting and Tendulkar:D

[SachDan]

For Hari Sampath its that way..but for the entire cricket community its the other way around.

[SachDan]

In kerala we have a saying that.. its the one cropped up in the last rain... thats the case with ricky..he's been playing since 1995..how many noted him to be a great player till say 2000... the moment SRT put his foot on the Pkistan soil,accolades had been pouring from all quarters Its not a childish play to score hundreds against an aussie attack in australia in the 90's and SRT hass done that as a kid. What's your Punter's feats before 25?:hysterical::hysterical:

[Bumper]

I have followed the careers of Ponting & Tendulkar closely. Sachin was great in the 90s, but is in a free fall (from his lofty standards) right now. Ponting, much like Dravid, picked up his game, in the second half of his career. His ascendance in this decade has been surreal -- almost Bradmenesque. Blaming him for not being so prolific in the 90s or accusing him of not scoring runs against bigger bowlers (without ever bothering to lookup the numbers for Tendulkar or Lara) or repeating the oft repeated cliche that Tendulkar & Lara are the best of their generation (it doesnt matter what other batsmen do, ever, right ?) is plain naive, to put it mildly. For those harping on bowling attacks, what was Monsuier Lara's average against Donald, Akram, Waqar in their prime. Dont bother, he's still greater than Ponting because some expert said so in the 90s right ? Feel free to believe what you want, but dont sell it to others, without any objective criteria to backup your claims. Ponting's numbers are second to none in almost every category, you want to measure a batsman. Ponting plays pace better than Lara, almost as well as Tendulkar and is adequate against spin. He has scored runs everywhere (except India, where even Lara has failed). When he hangs his bat, Ponting would have done enough to end up as the best batsman of his generation, both interms of his numbers and interms of games/championships won for his country.

[Guest HariSampath]

In kerala we have a saying that.. its the one cropped up in the last rain... thats the case with ricky..he's been playing since 1995..how many noted him to be a great player till say 2000... the moment SRT put his foot on the Pkistan soil,accolades had been pouring from all quarters Its not a childish play to score hundreds against an aussie attack in australia in the 90's and SRT hass done that as a kid. What's your Punter's feats before 25?:hysterical::hysterical:

what about sachin's record in ODIs for first 100 games Not even one 100 outside the subcontinent and just 4 100s in first 100 ODIs

[Chaos]

I have followed the careers of Ponting & Tendulkar closely. Sachin was great in the 90s, but is in a free fall (from his lofty standards) right now. Ponting, much like Dravid, picked up his game, in the second half of his career. His ascendance in this decade has been surreal -- almost Bradmenesque. Blaming him for not being so prolific in the 90s or accusing him of not scoring runs against bigger bowlers (without ever bothering to lookup the numbers for Tendulkar or Lara) or repeating the oft repeated cliche that Tendulkar & Lara are the best of their generation (it doesnt matter what other batsmen do, ever, right ?) is plain naive, to put it mildly. For those harping on bowling attacks, what was Monsuier Lara's average against Donald, Akram, Waqar in their prime. Dont bother, he's still greater than Ponting because some expert said so in the 90s right ? Feel free to believe what you want, but dont sell it to others, without any objective criteria to backup your claims. Ponting's numbers are second to none in almost every category, you want to measure a batsman. Ponting plays pace better than Lara, almost as well as Tendulkar and is adequate against spin. He has scored runs everywhere (except India, where even Lara has failed). When he hangs his bat, Ponting would have done enough to end up as the best batsman of his generation, both interms of his numbers and interms of games/championships won for his country.

yea you can play with absolute luxury with great bowlers/openers in your team cant ya? He cant even dislodge tendu from his greatness.

[SachDan]

@Hari..here why you are mentioning only about ODI's bring in the test stats also mate... SRT batted at no.5 n 6 at that time and also ther's big diffrence betweeen pre and post world cup 96

[Guest HariSampath]

Dan....no problem, just check the test stats and performances... Ponting has better record

[living]

Ricky Pontings ODI performances in SA, NZ , Eng, SL,and Pak in those countries Vs SA in SA : 57.33 ( Sachin : 26.10) Vs NZ in NZ : 58.33 ( Sachin : 27.20) Vs Pak in Pak : 97.50 ( Sachin : 36.92) Vs Eng in Eng : 45.80 ( Sachin 39.93) Against SL in SL : 43.66 ( Sachin 42.00 ) Compared with Sachin's avg in these conditions against SAME teams... this is a joke..Ponting FAR OUTSCORES Sachin in NZ, in SA, in SL, in Pak, in Eng AND almost equals Sachin IN INDIA too...LOL

Ponting has played far fewer games than Tendulkar in some of these places. Take pakistan for example, Punter has only played 3 odi's there and the lat one was a 100 something not out, which is what boosts his average.

[living]

Also, how about averages in matches won?? Tendulkar - 56.92 Punter - 50.82 clearly Tendulkar is the better match winner right?? :finger: And as I mentioned in my previous posts, all those specific stats like against specific bowlers and in certain places are not accurate, simply because Punter has faced those bowlers (or played in those places) on far fewer occasions not to mention he has also had the luxury of facing them when the great quicks like Wasim, Donald were past their prime. Settled yet??

[living]

In series won: SRT - 51.28 Punter - 48.98

[living]

Funny thing, people keep saying oooh Tendulkar is not a big match player while Punter is??? Well take a look at this - in any sort of finals (quarters, semis etc..) - average while chasing (which I guess everyone agrees is big time pressure) SRT - 48.13 Punter - 39 And if you look at 1st and 2nd innings combined then Tendulkar is still ahead of Punter ... SRT - 46.52 Punter - 38.35 Can we change the thread title to - " Ponting And Tendulkar comparison - and Tendulkar wins" ?

[goose]

The biggest accolade afforded to Ponting is the idea he might be the best Aussie bat since Bradman. That's as far as his own countrymen will go. I'm afraid he just doesn't enter the world's best ever debate. You see, Ponting's stats make you sit up and look for reasons to call him great. It's not something you find yourself doing as you watch him bat a few overs. With Tendulkar, the stats were a mere by product of his utter genius at the crease.

[Guest BossBhai]

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[goose]

thank you.