gator Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 country or language/culture/religion.... which comes first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. Country for me, a million times more than the rest.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandtest Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. "Janani janmabhoomisch swargadapi gariyasi" It's country first...in my case --language/culture religion are embedded with my country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. country .....first...always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. Culture...countries change boundaries every other generation...culture is what defines the country - and yes, by culture, i mean the overall culture of india,not just a local culture. Almost everything that makes me proud as an Indian is from cultural basis than any nationalistic basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. Culture...countries change boundaries every other generation...culture is what defines the country - and yes, by culture, i mean the overall culture of india,not just a local culture. Almost everything that makes me proud as an Indian is from cultural basis than any nationalistic basis. after seeing tht the majority is not with u, though u predicted otherwise, u are adding a nice twist.... suddenly from bengali culture tht u were harping about and how tht helps u feel close to bangladeshis than punjabis from india, u have made a great stride to "Indian Culture".... countries change boundaries often because of people like u, who think patriotism is jus a word in the dictionary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. For the un-enlightened, here is CC1981's post from the cricket discussions area.... Because it is not the number 1 thing for most people - atleast, people who put nationalism over anything else are almost insignificant in numbers compared to people who put language/culture/race/religion first. Personally, i am not a nationalist- infact, i am anti-nationalist slightly. My like/loyalty/admiration for India is not based on the arbitary lines on the map today that represents India- but over 5000 years of culture, history and philosophy stemming from the subcontinent. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but i find the notion of nationality to be rather petty. Suddenly I am going to fight you because some map shows a line between your purple colored nation and my brown colored nation ? I don't think so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. after seeing tht the majority is not with u Yeah, majority of 'indians' here qualify i guess...NOT ! :wall: suddenly from bengali culture tht u were harping about and how tht helps u feel close to bangladeshis than punjabis from india, u have made a great stride to "Indian Culture".... That is because your attention-span is way too small or mind is way too narrow to see the big picture. India is not one culture, there are cultures amongst cultures. Its quite natural for closer cultures to feel closer to each other...and indian culture is not defined by india as the nation- but whole of south asia as a region. keep that in mind. So yes, i am very proud of my indian culture- and also my bengali culture. I also accept that bengalis will be closer to bengalis, punjabis with punjabis, etc etc. So where is the problem ? countries change boundaries often because of people like u, who think patriotism is jus a word in the dictionary... Pffft. Keep your bakwaas to yourself. Boundaries change because of patriotic nutters who continuously look to protect/incorporate territorries for some excuse or another...some go 'great iranian empire', some go 'akhanda bharatam' or some other nonsense...but bottomline is its the very same 'patriotic' nutters who are first ones over the hill to go invade others in the name of 'defending' or 'redeeming' the motherland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. u r embarrassing urself.... Because it is not the number 1 thing for most people - atleast, people who put nationalism over anything else are almost insignificant in numbers compared to people who put language/culture/race/religion first. where in tht, do u specify, tht people on indian cricket fans dont qualify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. where in tht, do u specify, tht people on indian cricket fans dont qualify? I feel that a website with over half the people not even residing in India, is not an accurate reflection on India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. and ur opinion tht lots of people are not patriotic is definitely less accurate than the collective opinion of all these people.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. and ur opinion tht lots of people are not patriotic is definitely less accurate than the collective opinion of all these people.... Your comment has no basis of reasoning on it, since as i said, most here are ill-qualified to talk about the current trends in India in the first place, given that they do not reside in India. As i said, the idea that you can draw a social or cultural understanding based on the internet opinions, in a nation where less than 5% people have access to the internet, is absurd at its best. Downright silly is more apt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandtest Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. where in tht' date=' do u specify, tht people on indian cricket fans dont qualify?[/quote'] I feel that a website with over half the people not even residing in India, is not an accurate reflection on India. Okk...I am residing in India....but still I feel that "Communism" and people like you are a disgrace to our country....they are hidden "Gaddars"--- can argue about philosophy and culture, but can't look back to History of 1947..... Who is not feeling proud of our Culture??....we all feel proud that we have a unique culture dating back to 5000 years.... But inspite of all these...who divided Bharatvarsha in the name of religion?? and Bongalistan+Pakistan were formed in the name of religion and then where were you and Commies like you??? If culture was the uniting bond we should never have seen formation of another country and demand of seperate Kashmir.... That's why we feel Nationalism is the only way we can survive and yess feeling proud about OUR Country FIRST will automatically mean that we are also proud of our culture as culture lies in the country itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguyinallblue Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. just to exercise my right to vote ...Country First ALWAYS... the basic identity of a person is not race or religion or caste..its Nationality. once that is established..then other factors follow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC1981 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. but still I feel that "Communism" and people like you are a disgrace to our country. You probably know very little about communism or more aptly, confuse communism with Maoism or Lennism/Stallinsim to've come to that conclusion. Ironically, many of the 'benifits' enjoyed in the western world, that is the envy of the rest, is a product of communism. Still, i am not a commie, so i dont know why you are even assuming me to be one. That's why we feel Nationalism is the only way we can survive and yess feeling proud about OUR Country FIRST will automatically mean that we are also proud of our culture as culture lies in the country itself. Indian culture is not the sole property of India as a nation- it is the culture of the whole region that other nations too have inherited. I know India is at a stage where it thinks nationalism is the only way it will survive- but once India develops and becomes a 1st world nation, Indians will realize that there is lot more to identity than arbitary lines on the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandtest Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. Indian culture is not the sole property of India as a nation- it is the culture of the whole region that other nations too have inherited. yess, I agree to you....but...when did I say that it's sole property of India?? In fact these boundaries of India came into existence only after 1947.. What I wanted to convey in my previous post was that....before 1947..we were living under illusion that this-- our ancient "Culture" will keep us united as one nation... But look what happened...Muslims in West India and East Bengal found their new religion of Islam as more important than this our ancient "Culture" and seperated from us immediately... And yesss...your Bengali brothers of Bongalistan too didn't cared about "Bangla" language and our pride of "Culture"...they too chosen to seperate from us.... So...do you think they care for Culture????, when it comes to religion and their Ummaa/Ummi whatever you call it. Again I am repeating, as Indians we must protect our Culture and draw pride out of it---But we must know that when our boundaries are safe and we are as a NATION, then only we can protect our Culture. Otherwise be ready for another division of India. I know India is at a stage where it thinks nationalism is the only way it will survive- but once India develops and becomes a 1st world nation, Indians will realize that there is lot more to identity than arbitary lines on the map. Aaah you think...these arbitray lines were drawn by us during 1947??...they are a rude experience of our past belief in ONE Culture...which have now forced us to feel that Nationalism is the only way to survive. Sad that educated guy like you needs a history lesson to know that India was divided on the basis of Religion...and NOT the Culture. To become the "1st world nation" as defined by you...one needs to understand that his NATION should remain as ONE without any further "arbitrary" lines in the name of Religion...and to achieve this and to avoid furtther division of India we must be Nationalists first... Was America divided in the name of Race/religion etc. when it got independence like India???? I think not. I am not trying to compare America with India....but i am trying to say is that When OTHERS consider RELIGION above than their Culture, then you have got to wake up for the sake of your Nation, eventhough you feel being Nationalist is a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. Language/culture/religion coming first is a bit strange thought. Let's say for a country like Australia or NZ how the heck can culture (barely few hundred years old history we have), Language (no own language for most and English is the most common language) and religion (barely few people go to church/temples). Now in this situation how the heck can anyone prefer Language/Culture/Religion over country. Ask a Brit or a yank and you will know partiotism way over culture/language/religion. If you ask a Vatican or say UAE they will most probably say religion comes first. Read the following article by the way, it is interesting. A recent survey of 34 democracies ranked USA as the no. 1 most patriotic country in the world while the Philippines ranked no. 7 and the only Asian country in the top 10. People rated in the survey how proud they were of their countries in 10 areas such as sports, history, economy, politics, etc. The survey was conducted by the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the Univeristy of Chicago. Other areas in which countries were ranked included social security, the way their democracy works, science and technology, arts and literature, military and fair treatment of all groups in society. Ex-colonies like the Philippines and newer nations were more likely to rank high on the list, while Western European, East Asian and former Socialist countries ranked near the bottom. The Top 20: 1. USA 2. Venezuela 3. Ireland 4. South Africa 5. Australia 6. Canada 7. Philippines 8. Austria 9. New Zealand 10. Chile 11. England 12. Israel 13. Uruguay 14. Finland 15. Spain 16. Denmark 17. Switzerland 18. Japan 19. France 20. Portugal Pride moments compel the Filipinos to celebrate despite political unrest like when Precious Lara Quigaman was crowned Miss International, when Jasmine Trias placed 3rd in American Idol, when Jed Madela captured the overall title for the Philippines in the World Championships of Performing Arts, when our athletes became over-all champion in SEA games, when Manny Pacquiao knocked out Erik Morales in the ring, and last month when Filipinos reached the top of the world for the successful climb of Mt. Everest by Leo Oracion, Erwin Mata, Dale Abenojar and Romy Garduce. I can also include in this list the various international awards won by GMA 7 including the best TV station in Asia at the Asian Television Awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. Another interesting article : The Patriotic Diaspora An NRI is an Indian Citizen who has migrated to other country in search of better prospects or for any other reasons. Indians from all parts of the country & different ethnic backgrounds have migrated to various parts of the world & hence they are categorized as NRIs. It was quoted by the India Government?s Singhvi Commission that ?the sun never sets in the Indian diaspora.? An NRI is an Indian Citizen who has migrated to another country in search of better prospects or for any other reasons. Indians from all parts of the country & different ethnic backgrounds have migrated to various parts of the world & hence they are categorized as NRIs. They are scattered in regions such as South East Asia, United States of America, United Kingdom, Myanmar, Soudi Arabia, Pilipines, Malaysia, United Arab Emirates, North America, Canada, Fiji etc. It was quoted by the India Government?s singhvi Commission that ?the sun never sets in the Indian diaspora?. The term Indian Diaspora typically covers NRIs & PIOs (Person of Indian Orgin), and it is very special for India as these people have carved a niche for themselves in an alienated world & external surroundings. Pravasi Bhartiya Divas is also one major initiative taken by the government to extend a welcome note to all its NRIs in the world. After all this land belongs to them as well. These days steps have been taken by the government to bring these NRI?s back to the roots of our country, to lessen the exodus of skilled & intellectual manpower to other countries. Government of India, a few years back had established a high level committee under the leadership of Dr. L M Sanghvi, with the mandate of understanding the problems & difficulties faced and hopes & expectations of the Indian communities worldwide. Whenever you speak to NRIs settled in whichever part of the world, you would see that most of them carry their motherland in their hearts somewhere, they have cherished the memories & preserved the values which India had taught them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandtest Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. ^^^^ Very True about NRIs...they have definately preserved the values which India has taught them!! Sadly, Indian government is still not doing enough for them, particularly their is lack of proper system to handle the various issues faced by NRIs and people of Indian Origin. The worst condition is of labors in Arabian Gulf countries...neither embassy of India nor Indian missions give proper attention towards the exploitation of Indian labors in Gulf by their sponsors. Coming back to "Culture" thing, I have already said that NATION should be above all in modern time...we have already paid a heavy price in 1947 for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Re: Important - please vote here. Country. Always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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