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I want Duleep trophy to take primacy rather than Ranji. Ranji should be secondary tournament. Duleep primary should be played simultaneously with Ranji.
OR reduce the number of teams in Ranji and scrap Duleep Trophy altogether. Just different ways of saying the same thing.

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OR reduce the number of teams in Ranji and scrap Duleep Trophy altogether. Just different ways of saying the same thing.
that wont be right thing to do as India is different than Australia as we havea huge population so we need to have more exposure to players in FC, but making ranji secondary tournament for their progress for Duleep trophy will be better. Best Ranji performers will progress to Duleep and will stay there till they perform. If they dont they will be back to Ranji to get their spot back in Duleep and Duleep should be our criteria to select A team and A team performance to select for national team. we should have more matches in Duleep trophy, minimum 8 FC matches per season whcih will take place at the same time to ranji. Best Zonal players will play Duleep while others will play Ranji and stake their claims to Duleep.

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that wont be right thing to do as India is different than Australia as we havea huge population so we need to have more exposure to players in FC' date=' but making ranji secondary tournament for their progress for Duleep trophy will be better. Best Ranji performers will progress to Duleep and will stay there till they perform. If they dont they will be back to Ranji to get their spot back in Duleep and Duleep should be our criteria to select A team and A team performance to select for national team. we should have more matches in Duleep trophy, minimum 8 FC matches per season whcih will take place at the same time to ranji. Best Zonal players will play Duleep while others will play Ranji and stake their claims to Duleep.[/quote'] The plan sounds good as you state it, however the ground reality is that it's only in the case of Ranji teams where long term goals and roles in the team are defined. Duleep trophy would have a meaning beyond a supposed high degree of competition only when Duleep Trophy becomes a 6 week tournament with most teams getting to play 5-6 games.

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that wont be right thing to do as India is different than Australia as we havea huge population so we need to have more exposure to players in FC' date=' but making ranji secondary tournament for their progress for Duleep trophy will be better. Best Ranji performers will progress to Duleep and will stay there till they perform. If they dont they will be back to Ranji to get their spot back in Duleep and Duleep should be our criteria to select A team and A team performance to select for national team. we should have more matches in Duleep trophy, minimum 8 FC matches per season whcih will take place at the same time to ranji. Best Zonal players will play Duleep while others will play Ranji and stake their claims to Duleep.[/quote'] I meant make Ranji Elite and Ranji Plate - relegate people for poor performance. You can also have a combination of players from the Elite and Plate for the Duleep Trophy which would then effect 'A' tour choice. Do you think this is good?

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I meant make Ranji Elite and Ranji Plate - relegate people for poor performance. You can also have a combination of players from the Elite and Plate for the Duleep Trophy which would then effect 'A' tour choice. Do you think this is good?
that can be a bit complex. You mean one team has two XIs plate and elete? otherwise, we already have elete and plate groups. Goal must be to dilute the quality players ad bring them together in fewer teams to make it more hard fought and raise its standard. My Duleep trophy suggestion is pretty simple. This way we will have 5 teams like Aus have 6 and these teams will play minimum 8 matches, 2 matches on home and away basis against each other and should be playe simultaenously at test venues. Ranji trophy will be supply line for this. Best ranji performers will progress to Duleep even in the same season, while Duleep non-performers will be demoted after a certain period of evaluation in the same season.

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that can be a bit complex. You mean one team has two XIs plate and elete? otherwise' date=' we already have elete and plate groups. Goal must be to dilute the quality players ad bring them together in fewer teams to make it more hard fought and raise its standard. My Duleep trophy suggestion is pretty simple. This way we will have 5 teams like Aus have 6 and these teams will play minimum 8 matches, 2 matches on home and away basis against each other and should be playe simultaenously at test venues. Ranji trophy will be supply line for this. Best ranji performers will progress to Duleep even in the same season, while Duleep non-performers will be demoted after a certain period of evaluation in the same season.[/quote'] No - we have an elite and plate group. The elite must be just 12 teams while the plate must be the rest others. Last 2 teams to relegate to plate every year by default. Winner and runner-up of plate come to elite. Prize money of elite should be attractive enough. Duleep can be a mixture of everyone.

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No - we have an elite and plate group. The elite must be just 12 teams while the plate must be the rest others. Last 2 teams to relegate to plate every year by default. Winner and runner-up of plate come to elite. Prize money of elite should be attractive enough. Duleep can be a mixture of everyone.
thats what we already have.

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100% Agree with what rkt.india is saying. Ranji trophy doesnt provide enough quality competion to test our domestic players.Often they score against medocre bowlers from Ranji sides and when they go for India A tours or int. series the step seems too big. So making Duleep trophy the main domestic competion will mean players will be testsed in a far tougher environment and against strong team.And more importantly good players will have equal chance to prove themselves in Duleep trophy whereas in Ranji trophy average players from strong teams often make merry against weaker opposition whereas a good player from weak team will never get proper chance to shine. Also making Duleep trop tropy main tournament will mean we will have enough time to play 5 day matches with proper rest (5 day matches with 5 day rest will still only consume 95 days ) which would mean high quality competition which in turn would provide players better prepared for Int matches.

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and that's not possible. They have made 3 tier system from this season rather than just 2.
Why can't we make Duleep Trophy into a Ranji Trophy? You and me are exactly saying the same things but approaching from different directions. Our arguments will essentially converge.

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Why can't we make Duleep Trophy into a Ranji Trophy? You and me are exactly saying the same things but approaching from different directions. Our arguments will essentially converge.
Not really.Your argument would mean then we then wont have a Domestic structur(like Ranji) to produce large amount of cricketers. cricketers .Wih the size of our country and population its essential to have structure like Ranji to give produce the quantity of cricketers. But then we need Duleep trophy to fine tune quality crickters from these quantity cricketers.ALso most of these Ranji teams have vast history and cultural ties.Abolishing them wont be easy and will bring unnecessary issues too.

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Not really.Your argument would mean then we then wont have a Domestic structur(like Ranji) to produce large amount of cricketers. cricketers .Wih the size of our country and population its essential to have structure like Ranji to give produce the quantity of cricketers. But then we need Duleep trophy to fine tune quality crickters from these quantity cricketers.ALso most of these Ranji teams have vast history and cultural ties.Abolishing them wont be easy and will bring unnecessary issues too.
No! Let me put what I said in RKT's words - Make a Plate (quantity laden) Ranji Trophy and Make a Elite (quality laden) Duleep Trophy. It's just the same thing - I belittled Ranji Trophy, he upped the Duleep Trophy.

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No! Let me put what I said in RKT's words - Make a Plate (quantity laden) Ranji Trophy and Make a Elite (quality laden) Duleep Trophy. It's just the same thing - I belittled Ranji Trophy' date=' he upped the Duleep Trophy.[/quote'] So where would u have and how many teams for Elite laden Ranji? I seriously dont understand.

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No! Let me put what I said in RKT's words - Make a Plate (quantity laden) Ranji Trophy and Make a Elite (quality laden) Duleep Trophy. It's just the same thing - I belittled Ranji Trophy' date=' he upped the Duleep Trophy.[/quote'] Problem is evem Elite teams dont have 15 high quality FC players that is why some of them even lose yo plate teams in knock outs.

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BCCI should try to take steps to make the Ranji and domestic tournaments more competitive, they can give cash incentives to states who are improving, there should be some outside players who are allowed also make them focus on young talent , ROI , Zonal tournament selections are ridiculous as quota and favoritism comes into play, first thing is sporting tracks and there have been some improvements about preparing better tracks and each state team getting more games, also more A tours and series will help as then you can separate the real players.

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So where would u have and how many teams for Elite laden Ranji? I seriously dont understand.
Ah ... forget it! :beee:
Problem is evem Elite teams dont have 15 high quality FC players that is why some of them even lose yo plate teams in knock outs.
Do you think it is a problem of exposure?

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Ah ... forget it! :beee: Do you think it is a problem of exposure?
No. Because they mostly play mediocre bowlers, bowl to mediocre batsmen mostly. That is why a team consisted of quality players from the zones will play better quality cricket and if quality of cricket is better than it will be more competitive and hard which will bring out better players and will make them better as well.

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No. Because they mostly play mediocre bowlers' date= bowl to mediocre batsmen mostly. That is why a team consisted of quality players from the zones will play better quality cricket and if quality of cricket is better than it will be more competitive and hard which will bring out better players and will make them better as well.
That was what I meant by exposure! :doh:

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Important Ranji matches starting from today: Baroda vs Karnataka Bengal vs Rajasthan Mumbai vs Railways Odisha vs Tamil Nadu Punjab vs Hyderabad UP vs Delhi
will they telecast one of them ? ]

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Star cricket :facepalm: Not even scheduled to show any Ranji highlights tonight. Maybe BCCI should have sticked with Neo
most of ,actually of earlier domestic games were on espn or espn hd

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If he gets a game for Assam, the 26-year-old left-arm quick Hokaito Zhimomi could become the first first-class cricketer from Nagaland. Zhimomi comes from Sangtamtila village of Dimapur district. He played his junior and club cricket in Kolkata, representing Dalhousie Athletic Club. He was also a part of the extended Kolkata Knight Riders in 2009. He has now moved to Assam.

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0.15am - Raina drops Sehwag Sharda Ugra informs me that Suresh Raina has dropped Virender Sehwag at second slip, off the bowling of Bhuvaneshwar Kumar. Delhi are off to an uncharacteristically circumspect start. They are 20 for 0 after 10 overs. And Sehwag, imagine that, has scored just 14 in 10 overs
Cricinfo live blog. http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/ranji-trophy-live/2012/11/ranji_trophy_201213_round_i_da.php#more

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Mumbai: Ajit Agarkar, Sachin Tendulkar, Zaheer Khan, Ramesh Powar, Abhishek Nayar, Rohit Sharma, Ajinkya Rahane, Kaustubh Pawar, Dhawal Kulkarni, Aditya Tare (wk), Iqbal Abdulla. Railways: Sanjay Bangar, Mahesh Rawat, Shivakant Shukla, Amit Paunikar, Nitin Bhille, Ashish Yadav, PM Madkaikar, Anureet Singh, Krishnakant Upadhyay, Hardik Rathod, Murali Kartik

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Delhi Sehwag, Gambhir, Chand, Kohli, Manhas, Bisht, Ishant Sharma, Sangwan, Nehra, Vikas Mishra, Narwal UP Srivastava, Dagar, Kaif, Parvinder Singh, Raina, Alam, Amir Khan, Ali Murtaza, Praveen Kumar, Bhuvaneshwar Kumar, Imtiaz Ahmed

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10.17am - Hydration break at Eden Gardens This one is in the same league as "avenue of apprehension", coined by some Aussie commentator. Vivek Razdan, former India, Delhi and Tamil Nadu quick, who also made his ODI debut along with Sachin Tendulkar who is still playing, calls the first drinks break of the season "hydartion break" on Star Cricket. At the first hydration break, Bengal, asked to bat, are 45 for 1. Subhomoy Das 24 not out, Writam Porel 13 not out. The pitch already showing signs of variable bounce. Some are kicking up, some shooting through

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10.30am - Siddhartha Talya at Wankhede Stadium Sanjay Bangar, the Railways captain, had said yesterday that seamers could expect some assistance from the pitch as it had a bit of grass cover. Just a short while before the toss, he walked to the pitch and had a close look at the surface. His three seamers, so far, have managed to nip the ball around – though there doesn’t seem to be any swing – and beat the bat. There have been edges that have gone past third slip and gully, but the Mumbai openers have, for the most part, been solid. They’ve picked up quick singles, defended well, occasionally played away from the body but have looked largely secure. And just as I type, Aditya Tare has driven Krishnakant Upadhyay down the ground for a boundary.

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10.23am - Sehwag c Amir Khan b Praveen A circumspect Virender Sehwag has failed to last the first hour. Just after he looked like getting going with a cracking boundary, he edged Praveen Kumar through to the wicketkeeper Amir Khan. This was the seventh over of Praveen's first spell. So Raina has made up for that drop by getting Praveen to bowl an extra over. Sehwag 25 off 53, Delhi 39 for 1 after 12.2 overs

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11.00am - captain Vinay Kumar off to good start Over in Baroda, R Vinay Kumar and Stuart Binny are putting Yusuf Pathan's home side through a proper working over. After 20 overs, Baroda are 29 for 2, with Vinay and Stuart Bnny taking a wicket each. Last evening, Vinay was packing up his bags to rush to Baroda after finishing the India A game against the English. He tweeted this is the first time in his career he is playing seven days in a row. Oh, for those timeless Tests. Here's what Vinay had to say before the start of the Ranji campaign: "The team has been doing well in the lead up to the season. We’ve played many tournaments and have done well too; we’ve won the Safi Darashah tournament, then won the Buchi Babu tournament in Chennai and did well in the Moin-ud-Dowlah Trophy too. We are hoping to carry forward the same kind of form into the Ranji Trophy season."

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11.10am - Gambhir lbw shouldering arms to Imtiaz Ahmed Both of India's Test openers have failed to create a huge impression. Gambhir is now out not offering a shot to right-arm quick, Imtiyaz Ahmed. He lasted a little over an hour and a half. Imtiyaz, if you might remember Sharda Ugra's preview from yesterday, is the man everyone says is the quickest among all fast bowlers on display in this match. Gambhir lbw Imtiyaz 32 (63b, 96minutes). Virat Kohli, Sharda tells me, walks out to a loud whistling welcome. He joins Unmukt Chand, who is 18 not out

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