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India tour of New Zealand 2014

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when they dont attack and go on defensive...they are idiots...when they attack and go for win...they are idiots...just kill them I think this was a great performance from our side...we played very aggressive cricket overall from everyone...which should be very pleasant sight for any fans..
How dare you point that , now do the honorable thing and stop posting :winky:

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when they dont attack and go on defensive...they are idiots...when they attack and go for win...they are idiots...just kill them I think this was a great performance from our side...we played very aggressive cricket overall ...which should be very pleasant sight for any fan..
Who has blamed Dhoni for attacking captaincy ? This is not the joke section. :cantstop: Fifth day pitch on a track with uneven bounce from day one and seam movement too, Largest run chase in the history of the game on such a pitch Our team has psychological advantage SAF are known as chokers We almost lost in such a situation Everyone was rightfully expecting an Indian win. If you think that there would not be any disappointment in such a situation then you are dreaming. It was a collective failure on the part of our team on day 5. Only people who have no ambition to win can be happy in such a situation.

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If this test is lost after being in such a powerful position then both the captain and coach need to show some honour and resign. It will be 0-9 on away tours under this comedy duo and enough is enough. The lethargic negative captaincy is just embarrassing and Dhoni shows no inclination to learn from previous horror tours. If anybody knows what Fletcher actually does it would be god to know as currently he is the most overpaid training cone in the world. The list of negatives they bring far outweighs any positives. We just cannot keep persisting with this dumb and dumber duo, just cannot.
Let me start off by saying that during our 8-0 period and test loss to England at home- I was the biggest critic of "dumb and dumber- lol". However, after seeing how a change of personell (kohli up the order, Pujara at 3, Jadeja, Muralia, Dhawan in, Sehwag, Gauti,Zak, Yuvi, VVS and Dravid out) changed us from a horrible test team to a super charged machine who handed australia their biggest test defeat since the 1970s made me in retrospect blame those horror test performances on ailing and failing Galacticoes rather than the Dhoni/Fletcher leadership. I think this is reinforced by the fact that prior to 8-0 etc, Dhoni had an almost flawless record as captain. And currently post England loss still has a flawless record. Overall his record reads: Played 50 W 25 L12 D12 lethargic negative captaincy- if anything I think he mis read the wicket/situation and was too positive by setting over attacking fields allowing RSA easy runs for 80% of their innings. He didn't even have a third man until late in the final session- meaning every outside edge/mishit flew to the boundary. Had he been more negative with his field setting- RSA would not have got any where close and would have finished day five 120 runs behind. But because of the fact India had set a world record chase, he didn't want to "die wondering" and be criticised for setting negative fields and went aggressively for the win until the last 45 mins of the match. personally I think a more attritional approach would have worked better- this was a sluggish wicket which had eased up a lot- the only way to get wickets was to build pressure (as evidenced by ABDV, FAF and duminy's **** ups and indias third innings mini collapse) Dhoni over attacked on Day 4 giving loads of easy leg side runs to Alviro Petersen, allowing RSA to get off to a flier in their 4th innings. After that- it was very difficult to pin them down with pressure as they changed their mindset from saving the game (negative, defensive) to pursuing victory (attacking, positive). He should have kept a 3rd man in a lot early to stem the flow of runs. Also bowlers were impatient- they went chasing for wickets leading to many half volleys that brought easy runs for RSA. That is not how it works. They should realise that seam bowling is about keeping it tight, building pressure and forcing the batsmen into a loss of concentration. They were put off the game by the wicket flattening out- that is to be expected. Looked what happened to the south african attack in centurion during india's first test of 2010 tour. It is not like subcontinental dust bowls that get progressively spicier. wrt fletcher- I think the Indian batting line ups excellent tactics of leaving well are all from Fletcher's brain with his knowledge of local conditions- he orchestrate england's last series victory in south africa. The young indian batsmen praise him so much- so he can't be that bad. You need a foreign coach for team india- very few ex Indian players have the know how of how to be successful abroad. Also- BBCI gave him nothing but scraps of daal and roti to get this team in shape for the first test- no warm up games, no acclimatisation period etc. He did well considering the limitations. Ultimately the only thing that would have took india over the line was picking a 4th seamer- and lets be honest how many would have done that before the start of the match.

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Let me start off by saying that during our 8-0 period and test loss to England at home- I was the biggest critic of "dumb and dumber- lol". However, after seeing how a change of personell (kohli up the order, Pujara at 3, Jadeja, Muralia, Dhawan in, Sehwag, Gauti,Zak, Yuvi, VVS and Dravid out) changed us from a horrible test team to a super charged machine who handed australia their biggest test defeat since the 1970s made me in retrospect blame those horror test performances on ailing and failing Galacticoes rather than the Dhoni/Fletcher leadership. I think this is reinforced by the fact that prior to 8-0 etc, Dhoni had an almost flawless record as captain. And currently post England loss still has a flawless record. ........ Ultimately the only thing that would have took india over the line was picking a 4th seamer- and lets be honest how many would have done that before the start of the match.
Good post.. You can really feel the change in Indian batting under Fletcher. Pujara during home season was guilty of going after short balls often getting out to it, Kohli also cut down on his shots. Rahane who looked out of sorts vs Finn on home pitches dealt Steyn so beautifully. Its bowling that is a concern and no matter who coaches us or captains us, we will struggle until we find at least 2 world class bowlers. Zaheer is world class but he's on his last legs. We've had Venky, Eric Simmons and Joe Dawes, yet our bowling only reaches a new low every time.

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when they dont attack and go on defensive...they are idiots...when they attack and go for win...they are idiots...just kill them I think this was a great performance from our side...we played very aggressive cricket overall ...which should be very pleasant sight for any fan..
He himself admitted that they attacked too much in the middle overs and that falls squarely on coach and captain. He is extremely lucky that they didn't go for the win. This would have been a devastating loss for this young team which I don't think would be easy to recover. To call what dhoni did today as attacking itself is wrong, it was total screw up on his part and that fatso part not to give any instructions to slow the rate down. They never went for win it was the easy runs which were gifted made it so close .

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Good post.. You can really feel the change in Indian batting under Fletcher. Pujara during home season was guilty of going after short balls often getting out to it, Kohli also cut down on his shots. Rahane who looked out of sorts vs Finn on home pitches dealt Steyn so beautifully. Its bowling that is a concern and no matter who coaches us or captains us, we will struggle until we find at least 2 world class bowlers. Zaheer is world class but he's on his last legs. We've had Venky, Eric Simmons and Joe Dawes, yet our bowling only reaches a new low every time.
I think our poor bowling in recent years has been as much to do with having too much pressure/expectation on one or two bowlers combined with bad fielding. In this match- I think Ishant performed better as he knew he was backed up by Zak and Shami. He knew that everything didn't rest on his shoulders alone and consequently he could ease into his spells and keep it on a length and get wickets by building pressure. NO matter how good your individual bowlers are- unless you hunt in a pack you won't get wickets as good batsmen will just see you off at one end and then attack the poor bowler at the other end. If we continue to hunt in a pack like we did in this game- I can see the performances of all our bowlers improving. I can't think of any ATG bowler expect Richard Hadlee who didn't have a good bowling partner. We have Umesh, Bhuvi and Varun waiting in the wings so its not a dead end. I just wish we had a world class bowler like Alan Donald as our coach and not these booboos from Australia or South Africa who nobody has heard of.

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He himself admitted that they attacked too much in the middle overs and that falls squarely on coach and captain. He is extremely lucky that they didn't go for the win. This would have been a devastating loss for this young team which I don't think would be easy to recover. To call what dhoni did today as attacking itself is wrong, it was total screw up on his part and that fatso part not to give any instructions to slow the rate down. They never went for win it was the easy runs which were gifted made it so close .
agree with the over attacking aspect- I was shocked that Dhoni didn't implement the following run slowing measures: encourage his bowlers to slow the over rate (but still keep it within legal limits), bowl a leg stump line with heavy leg side fields to make the batsmen really manufacture shots, put in a third man until late despite haemorrhaging so may runs there, bowl wide outside off stump with a heavy off side field

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I dont think you can blame any of the fast bowlers, all three did thebest job they could only little complaint would against Zak for being too expensive. We all saw on third day even world no 1 and 2 bowler when made to bowl all day will be ineffective and pitch had lot more juice then they had morkel sharing the load atleast in first innings. Three bowlers bowling that many overs in two innings is very very hard I give zak lot of credit in giving his every bit when things became so close and kaptaan had nowhere to go, he ran hard all day.

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Hesson calls for green pitches for India Tests

Mike Hesson talks to the press after the announcement of New Zealand's contracted players, Auckland, July 8, 2013 Mike Hesson: "We certainly don't get any favours when we travel, so I'd be disappointed if we provide any at home" © Getty Images Enlarge Related Links Players/Officials: Mike Hesson Series/Tournaments: India in New Zealand Test Series Teams: India | New Zealand Mike Hesson, the New Zealand coach, has called for green pitches when India tours New Zealand in January-February 2014. Hesson said New Zealand don't get "any favours" in terms of pitches when they travel to India, and he would be "disappointed" if the curators do not dish out green seaming tracks for the two Tests in Auckland and Wellington. "We'll back our seamers over anyone's at the moment," Hesson said, according to Fairfax NZ News, while emphasising New Zealand's pitch preferences following a Test in Hamilton against West Indies where the surface was rather dry and spin-friendly. "We know these conditions as a batting group. Our batsmen bat on conditions that nip around in first-class cricket so they're used to it and it can expose your technique if you're not. "I think everyone's aware of the type of surface that we'd like. We've been in India before and they've changed the pitch the day before a game because it wasn't quite as dry as they would like. We certainly don't get any favours when we travel, so I'd be disappointed if we provide any at home." India play New Zealand in two Tests at Eden Park and Basin Reserve between February 6 and 18, following a five-match ODI series in January. On their last tour of New Zealand, in 2009, India won the three-Test series 1-0, registering victory in Hamilton with offspinner Harbhajan Singh taking a second-innings six-for. However, the previous time they visited New Zealand, in 2002, they were presented with tracks that were hardly distinguishable from the lush outfields in Wellington and Hamilton, and failed to score more than 161 in four innings. The Eden Park track, a drop-in pitch, generally offers good carry but isn't a green seamer. Hesson said he was hopeful the ground's new curator, Blair Christiansen, could deliver such a track though. "They're a pretty skilful group up there, they know exactly what needs to be done," he said.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/content/current/story/703577.html

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I hope they are all green. Would love our team to have a crack at it. I want to relive those games of 2002, with a much better and a sweet memory. Hopefully it will be toughest of tracks. Want our team to be challenged.
those were too much,a lottery imo

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I hope they are all green. Would love our team to have a crack at it. I want to relive those games of 2002, with a much better and a sweet memory. Hopefully it will be toughest of tracks. Want our team to be challenged.
I remember waking up at 5 or 6 in the morning and check the score on tv and it always used to be 50/5 or 60/6. :cantstop:

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I remember waking up at 5 or 6 in the morning and check the score on tv and it always used to be 50/5 or 60/6. :cantstop:
Bhai mushkil se if my dad forgot to wake me up on time which was 2:30 IST, and I turn on the tv one hour late, I had to open the tv with my heart in the mouth. Let me tell you what used to happen. I woke up late 1 hour before the game started. It's 3:30 am. I try to find my legendary TV(ONIDA r.i.p :pray:) remote. I switch on the tv. Star sports was already the channel set previous night by me so that I don't miss any action. So tv is on, and I see a commercial coming. This makes me go more crazy. Thoughts coming in now in that micro second watching advertisment, that wicket must have fallen since the advertisment is coming. So that commercial run for atleast few seconds. And then, the suspense is over, match is back on after commercial and I see Zaheer Khan walking into bat. India are probably 5 or 6 down. Ticker is reading "India need XX amount of runs to avoid the follow on "

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India would welcome it actually our bowling is struggling to get 20 wickets, perhaps this might help them. Also NZ are over-rating their batting. Taylor scoring runs againd BD and WI is being hyped up big time.

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I honestly feel this team has the basics right for playing in seamer friendly conditions. They dont play away from the body and leave lots of balls outside off stump and are patient enough to wait for a scoring opportunity and have the technique to defend and score. More exposure will make them better. Also, a green track would mean our seamers will be lot more effective. So it would be better for the team.

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I honestly feel this team has the basics right in playing in seamer friendly conditions. They dont play away from the body and leave lots of balls outside off stump and are patient enough to wait for a scoring opportunity and have the technique to defend and score. More exposure will make them better. Also, a green track would mean our seamers will be lot more effective. So it would be better for the team.
Dhawan n Nohit B->

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Dhawan n Nohit B->
Too early. Give them sometime. Especially too Rohit, since his batting order he will eventuallly be forced to leave lot of balls if he wants to continue playing for Indian test team. Regarding Dhawan, he can't be leaving much. He will have to learn to score without leaving much actually and sort things out where he playing those crazy twenty20 shots in test matches. He has scored good 15-20 runs and now he goes for a pull shot and gives away the wicket. This is where he needs to improve. For an opener, he is doing fine by playing shots and giving a start, but you go to play some sensible shots. If he isn't letting the ball go, it's all right, but atleast change your twenty20 mode a bit. He got it all. Just got to relax a bit.

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This tour is going to be much tougher than SA tour. Because these guys swing both in the air and off the pitch. Even though they bowl only at 130 ks they will be more potent than 145 k steyn in their own conditions. Remember Darrell Tuffey. India has to counter with swing and seam bowling. Raw pace is another option as NZ generally fails against raw pace.

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I think it will be blessing in disguise, the Indian bowling will be more potent on these pitches and NZ batting isn't that great. If the pitches are going to swing a lot, the NZ batting is going to collapse as well. Their batting is more suspect than ours.

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This series will be a great test' date='I hear Ryder and guptill will be back.[/quote'] Ryder will take another 6 months, I think, but Guptill will def be back. Not that he is any good, though. Mostly a FTB.

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Kiwis went to the extent of changing pitch conditions during an on-going test match in 2002. They watered the pitch between days because India was going to bat next. Asking for specific type of pitch before game starts is OK, interfering with the pitch during the game is shameless.

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There is no chance of Guptil featuring in the Test side any time soon, Latham is the next cab up as far as openers are concerned. He recently scored a double and the selectors have had an eye on him for a while now. I don't think we'll make any changes, but I would love to see Ryder come in for Rutherford and have Watling open. My Ideal XI Watling Fulton Williamson Taylor McCullum Ryder Anderson Vettori/Ish Southee Wagner/Henry Boult I can realistically see Boult troubling a few of the Indians with his inswingers.

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