What's our bowling selection criteria?

[Ultimate_Game]

fans want ready made steyns' date=' johnsons and morkels. Yet they overlook the crap that johnson went through years back and what he did to get to where he is now. It takes time and common indian fans are stupid, end of.[/quote'] Johnson improved coz he was dropped and performed in FC cricket, plus he averaged in 20s at domestic level. I would have no problem with Aaron get a go if he had an average of 27 but how does 37 trump a guy averaging 22 with the ball? Selection has to be done based on performance but looking at our bowling squad in Aus it's not so and our Test results over the last few years prove the same.

[Ultimate_Game]

Folks, if a bowler averages 22 at FC level he needs to be given a chance. Period. He has proven he can pick wkts and can adapt. Don't judge him without giving him a proper chance else we will continue to wallow in mediocrity of bowlers with averages pushing 40.

[BlueBee]

Folks' date=' if a bowler averages 22 at FC level he needs to be given a chance. Period. He has proven he can pick wkts and can adapt. Don't judge him without giving him a proper chance else we will continue to wallow in mediocrity of bowlers with averages pushing 40.[/quote'] Their time will come, Sandeep is still very young. Dhawan is on the radar for some time now, I'm sure he'll given a chance soon if he continues to perform well.

[rkt.india]

Johnson improved coz he was dropped and performed in FC cricket, plus he averaged in 20s at domestic level. I would have no problem with Aaron get a go if he had an average of 27 but how does 37 trump a guy averaging 22 with the ball? Selection has to be done based on performance but looking at our bowling squad in Aus it's not so and our Test results over the last few years prove the same.

I already said regarding Aaron, you need to separate two phases before 2011 and after. No bowler struggling with injuries can do well. In 2011, he averages 25 in Australia EPT, 20 last season after coming back from injuries, so, he does average in 20s since then. That 37 average also include test matches he played.

[Ultimate_Game]

Their time will come' date=' Sandeep is still very young. Dhawan is on the radar for some time now, I'm sure he'll given a chance soon if he continues to perform well.[/quote'] Sandeep has been around for 3-4 years now. He won us the u-19 WC and has proven to be good enough at domestic level since then. If you don't give him a go when he deserves he may start stagnating. He has proven he deserves a chance with his performance at domestic level, along with Rishi Dhawan, let's not take that away from him. Hope our selectors show some faith in our FC performers else folks will start chasing IPL instead of focusing on domestic cricket.

[khanjee]

Same as what it is for our batting :):) We play Mohammad Hafeez as top order batsmen..lol

[ThePhenomenal1]

Johnson improved coz he was dropped and performed in FC cricket, plus he averaged in 20s at domestic level. I would have no problem with Aaron get a go if he had an average of 27 but how does 37 trump a guy averaging 22 with the ball? Selection has to be done based on performance but looking at our bowling squad in Aus it's not so and our Test results over the last few years prove the same.

You could say that for the main team - why does ishant who has a terrible record get ahead of guys like yadav? But concerning domestic, its guys with potential that need to be picked. Look at Steven finn, there are pacers with better records but england saw something in him - international wicket taking class. Same thing with aaron.

[sensible-indian]

What really do fans want? When they select Trundlers' date=' then they need Phaaast pacers and when they select Phaaaast pacers then they needs trundlers again ?[/quote'] :hysterical: Yeah. There is a reason why selectors exists and a reason why all domestic stars don't make it internationally. Aaron was the RIGHT choice.

[Ultimate_Game]

You could say that for the main team - why does ishant who has a terrible record get ahead of guys like yadav? But concerning domestic, its guys with potential that need to be picked. Look at Steven finn, there are pacers with better records but england saw something in him - international wicket taking class. Same thing with aaron.

I'm all for dropping Ishant as well and would have dropped him long time back. He needs to hit domestic cricket and get better as well. Potential is one thing but you cannot discard your consistent domestic performers. If Sandeep and Dhawan average 22 or 23 consistently over their careers, they must have some skills and must be good. It's not as if I'm talking about one odd year. I'm talking about the performance throughout their career and they have performed well. This shows they can adapt and deserve to get a shot. But if you give chances to likes of Binny and Aaron ahead of them you will eventually break them.

[Ultimate_Game]

:hysterical: Yeah. There is a reason why selectors exists and a reason why all domestic stars don't make it internationally. Aaron was the RIGHT choice.

I have yet to see it in results. All we have done is lose with him in the team and it's time we give chances to the folks who know their stuff.

[adi B]

Sandeep has been around for 3-4 years now. He won us the u-19 WC and has proven to be good enough at domestic level since then. If you don't give him a go when he deserves he may start stagnating. He has proven he deserves a chance with his performance at domestic level' date=' along with Rishi Dhawan, let's not take that away from him. Hope our selectors show some faith in our FC performers else folks will start chasing IPL instead of focusing on domestic cricket.[/quote'] Don't go too much by FC performance. we have tried vinay,mithun,pankaj,dinda,unadkat etc type FC greats and they were embarrassing to say the least. Sandeep is too young and his pace is too low to even be considered for test cricket now.he did great in U19 s because he bowled to the U19 batsmen, even unadkat was great but we all know **** he is!! Rishi should be selected ahead of binny I agree.Aaron did well in A tour and England so he was a sure shot

[sensible-indian]

I have yet to see it in results. All we have done is lose with him in the team and it's time we give chances to the folks who know their stuff.

We have mostly lost with trundlers for decades (barring a few years here and there). Let's go for this approach and see. In Australia, you need pace to make a mark. Or bounce. Or wild skills if you are a trundler. Averages don't do justice. Even Vinay Kumar averages 25 in domestic and he has a big sample set. Means nothing.

[Ultimate_Game]

Don't go too much by FC performance. we have tried vinay,mithun,pankaj,dinda,unadkat etc type FC greats and they were embarrassing to say the least. Sandeep is too young and his pace is too low to even be considered for test cricket now.he did great in U19 s because he bowled to the U19 batsmen, even unadkat was great but we all know **** he is!! Rishi should be selected ahead of binny I agree.Aaron did well in A tour and England so he was a sure shot

Yes we shouldn't focus on FC alone and take a punt on someone like Aaron but at least some of your top domestic performers need to feed into the Test team. Likes of Dinda were never good and Dinda made it to the team due to his KKR connections - the bloke averages 30 at domestic level - whereas likes of Sandeep & Dhawan average 22 or so. There's a huge gulf between then and Dinda. Also, you may see some domestic performer not succeeding at intl level but that doesn't mean we abandon the process altogether. There's a reason domestic setup exists and let's not ignore it altogether. You tell me what exactly do Sandeep and Dhawan need to do to get in the team? They have taken wkts throughout their careers and now what? All they see is likes of Binny and others averaging way higher than them get chances ahead of them.

[ThePhenomenal1]

I'm all for dropping Ishant as well and would have dropped him long time back. He needs to hit domestic cricket and get better as well. Potential is one thing but you cannot discard your consistent domestic performers. If Sandeep and Dhawan average 22 or 23 consistently over their careers' date=' they must have some skills and must be good. It's not as if I'm talking about one odd year. I'm talking about the performance throughout their career and they have performed well. This shows they can adapt and deserve to get a shot. But if you give chances to likes of Binny and Aaron ahead of them you will eventually break them.[/quote'] Aaron is the way forward undoubtedly. No one is showing patience with him, its not like he's wicket-less all the time. But yeah binny was a flop move.

[bowl_out]

I don't think selection is purely based on numbers. It has a lot to do with a feel good factor and perceived potential. Much like when you recruit a new guy into your team... If it had to be based only on numbers, anybody would be a selector if he had an excel file to rank order wickets, runs or averages....Just my 2 cents. We would have seen Badrinath, Kedar Jadhav and a few other domestic stalwarts debut much earlier than 30 years of age... Another eg. Murali Vijay had a horror domestic season before he was picked as a stable opening in the home series against Aus and to the tour of SA....

[Insidious]

I have yet to see it in results. All we have done is lose with him in the team and it's time we give chances to the folks who know their stuff.

Do you know anything about domestic cricket in India? Did you followed last year Ranji where vinay kumar was bowling like steyn? And you know what a bowler he is in International matches. Forget that consider pankaj singh who has taken heaps of wickets in domestic tournament. What he did in England? Nothing. while aaron was clearly the best bowler for India in england in the matches he played. Infact micheal holding was impressed by his pace. Ranji and other domestic stats are joke so get over it.

[Insidious]

If sandeep sharma and rishi dhawan will get selected, I am sure Warner will treat them as spinners. some posters comparing pitches of North India to Australian pitches :facepalm:

[CG]

Do u guys even watch domestic cricket or cricket in diff countries.Its the trend all over the world.In a bowling attack fast bowling is an important component.We have shami,yadav,bhuvi,kulkarani all selected on basis of good fc records.Aaron is there as he is one of the fastest in world and is being invested in just 4 tests and he has bowled well in england.U have pankaj in wings who has years of fc experience. This is the problem selecting u-19 bowlers to fc and destroying them.U had chawla destroy people in u-19 look where he is now.

[renjith]

If we go by stats alone, rishi dhawan is the best bowler from india. That clearly shows how useless stats can be.

[CG]

If we go by stats alone' date=' rishi dhawan is the best bowler from india. That clearly shows how useless stats can be.[/quote'] Yes but there are various things to take in to consideration like opp,pitches,potential andmost importantly ROLE. I feel rishi dhawan might be in contention of allrounder not specialist bowler.