umpire Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 20/20 is here to stay. ODIs will die slow death. IPL will not increase in TV viewership. The spectators like me will not miss job/office work due to IPL games. IPL will be evening affair. It will generate city based loyality. Its also good that players from other countries. No longer kids from carribean can go for basketball. If they will be getting good money in IPL, ICL, they will want to play cricket. There are thousands of fans who like Tests over ODIs. There were people who preferred ODIs and sometimes they only like to watch 2nd half of the ODI games. It definately will not kill Test cricket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umpire Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 What I want is innovation in 20/20 cricket. 20/20 cricket game played over two days with 2 innings. This will bring in lot of strategies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhinav Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Regardless of which format dies and which one survives, what completely amazes me is the 'hands-off' attitude of ICC to the whole IPL business. Now they are talking about re-designing the calendar to accomodate IPL spo that everyone can play and make more money. BCCI runs Cricket the world over, no more proofs needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fineleg Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Regardless of which format dies and which one survives, what completely amazes me is the 'hands-off' attitude of ICC to the whole IPL business. Now they are talking about re-designing the calendar to accomodate IPL spo that everyone can play and make more money. BCCI runs Cricket the world over, no more proofs needed. Abhinav, ICC referees keep slapping fines on Indian playerz and let the Aussies go scot free. I dont see how BCCI is 'dominating' when such double standards are shown by ICC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umpire Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Newzealand has very limited pool of cricketers. This will change now. Lot of kids will want to play cricket than Rugby. Competition will increase and this will result in more competition in Test cricket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandan Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I think there is merit to that thought. IPL may not just kill our cricket, but cricket worldwide, if its not administered appropriately. 1) The money involved in IPL right now, is disproportionate to the skill levels, reputation & workload of the players. This will have to change. Players such as Kaif & Raina making $675K at IPL on an annual basis, will serve our cricket very little. How can these kids be motivated to do what it takes to make a come back to the national team ? I can see more & more kids preserving their body for the 6 week gig, making truckloads of money (& presumably win some endorsements based on their IPL performance) Gilly's central contract (which requires him to play 15 tests & 45 ODIs in a calendar year) earns him around $300K, I think. Thats roughly 120 days of cricket earning him $300K. If he can make $800K for 6 T20 games (roughly equivalent to 2 days of cricket), why will he not retire ? This is an insane pay rise, even for one of the best paid cricketers. Why have Kaif and Raina been paid that much money? Because they've represented India and are few of the leading domestic cricketers for India. I just can't see how the IPLs will give contract to a person who hasn't done anything noteworthy at any front either for his national team or even in domestic cricket. If these cricketers have such less passion for the game that they can't be bothered to work hard so that they can be considered for their national team, then good riddance, I'll say! Always remember that only those players from foreign country will be considered by the clubs who have done well for their national team or outstandingly well in their domestic cricket like David Hussey. Still apart from Australia, I just can't think of another domestic cricketer to be recognised here. 2) All boards supplying players to IPL, will have to get a cut out of IPL's profits. Otherwise sooner or later, we will find more & more disgruntled boards, losing players that they have groomed for years, to IPL. I think the moment a player stops playing for his national team, his value will diminish. Prime example are Warne and Langer. So the clause that a player will have to get a "no objection certificate" from its board to sign a contract for IPL is just fine. And it is not that they'll be getting all the money promised in one dig. IPL contract is quite complicated and Australia have okayed it after going through it for days. I don't think any board will be losing players because of IPL. 3) ICC must ensure IPL schedules dont clash with any international schedule. Besides making the IPL successful, it does not force players into a dilemma. Exactly. But then, it clashes with WI's season and the start of English season. So it is going to be really difficult. 4) IPL must grow beyond T20. Otherwise, few years from now, 50-50s will be completely forgotten. No one will watch the 50 over one day for 44 days. It is the format and jusr three and a half hours duration which has drawn so many franchise and their plans revolve round the "prime time" in India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16 str8 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Oh yes, it will kill international cricket. No doubt about that. Cricket has seen its best days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cochise Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 No it won't. Same scares were going around in the world series days as well. Test cricket does just fine, because as people get more into the game, they just see how much more superior a form it is. 20/20 will be another window into cricket and the novelty will wear off...it will have it's place but it won't be a premier one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 :omg:Yoda..... How can you say tha? Nothing beats test cricket....nothing! I rush back from school just to see what was going to happen in the next session. The slow easy pace of the game is so addictive. Watching the daily struggle between the teams ...wah test cricket! Seriously I don't think there is anything better than watching a test match between two evenly matched teams. Yes...if the match is one sided ,then it does get boring ...but nothing beats a test match that goes into the last session. I would rather watch a drawn test match between evenly matched team stretch to the last over than watch ten 20/20 or odis.... I am sure you are going to make IPL a hit.........:(( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f.b.m Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 imo, this will eat into the ODI tournaments and rightfully so. ODIs lost their sense of occasion quite a while ago (barring a few matches) and I'd rather have 20/20's over odis. And chances are tests, especially in india will be stronger and more popular than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I don't know any one around me who watches test cricket....:(( It is not really popular amongst non serious fans.... They just want phatafat cricket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Why Fear About World Cricket? When Icc Is There? icc won't let ipl takeover.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumper Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 Why have Kaif and Raina been paid that much money? Because they've represented India and are few of the leading domestic cricketers for India. I just can't see how the IPLs will give contract to a person who hasn't done anything noteworthy at any front either for his national team or even in domestic cricket. Not sure, Kaif & Raina's stock have much to do with their performances for India. Speaking of performances, neither have much to show when playing for India. We also have samples such as David Hussey (who hasnt played much for Australia) attracting as much as $625K, while the veterans Ponting, Hayden valued a lot lesser. I can see T20 specialists (who hardly get to break into their national team) emerging in the future who are just tailor made for IPL. If these cricketers have such less passion for the game that they can't be bothered to work hard so that they can be considered for their national team, then good riddance, I'll say! Always remember that only those players from foreign country will be considered by the clubs who have done well for their national team or outstandingly well in their domestic cricket like David Hussey. Still apart from Australia, I just can't think of another domestic cricketer to be recognised here. There are actually two aspects to this: 1) A player who is good enough to play for his country, may prioritize IPL ahead of his national duties or rather focus more on honing his T20 skills than his test batsmanship or bowling, for example, effectively hurting his country. 2) A foreign player may use his national XI as an opportunity to break into IPL, leaving the foreign board (which groomed the player) short changed In either of these scenarios IPL will cause more harm than good, unless these concerns are appropriately addressed. I think the moment a player stops playing for his national team, his value will diminish. Prime example are Warne and Langer. So the clause that a player will have to get a "no objection certificate" from its board to sign a contract for IPL is just fine. And it is not that they'll be getting all the money promised in one dig. IPL contract is quite complicated and Australia have okayed it after going through it for days. I don't think any board will be losing players because of IPL. See my response above. Gilly has retired from all forms of cricket. But he still manages to lure $800K, doesnt he ? Warne & Langer arent tailor made for T20, whereas Gilly is. Its got more to do with the potential of the player in the T20 format & his star value, than whether he still plays for his country. If SRT retires from cricket tomorrow, dont you think he will still sell over a million ? If a player is on the verge of retirement (such as Gilly), who may have otherwise carried on for another 2 years, IPL certainly plays a role in expediting his retirement decision. And then there are countries like NZ & Pakistan, whose players are insecure about their financial future. They will be glad to lap up a lucrative IPL contract, even if it means abandoning their national duties (as Shane Bond did recently) Exactly. But then, it clashes with WI's season and the start of English season. So it is going to be really difficult. I think BCCI will work with the ICC to ensure this No one will watch the 50 over one day for 44 days. It is the format and jusr three and a half hours duration which has drawn so many franchise and their plans revolve round the "prime time" in India. Thats true. T20 will sell well. But 50-50 may be a victim of its success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandan Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Not sure' date=' Kaif & Raina's stock have much to do with their performances for India. Speaking of performances, neither have much to show when playing for India. We also have samples such as David Hussey (who hasnt played much for Australia) attracting as much as $625K, while the veterans Ponting, Hayden valued a lot lesser. I can see T20 specialists (who hardly get to break into their national team) emerging in the future who are just tailor made for IPL.[/quote'] There are many other domestic players who'd be recruited by the IPL franchises. I think this will only inspire the Indian domestic players to do well so that they are chosen and can make quick money. The better they will perform, the more they'll be paid. And our country doesn't have T20 experts. If players from other countries want to come, they'll have to come up with the NOC from their respective boards. So again it'll be the resposibility of those boards to reign their own players from running after money alone! And if T20 experts do turn in for a 44 day bash here in India, what harm can they do to cricket! There are actually two aspects to this: 1) A player who is good enough to play for his country, may prioritize IPL ahead of his national duties or rather focus more on honing his T20 skills than his test batsmanship or bowling, for example, effectively hurting his country. 2) A foreign player may use his national XI as an opportunity to break into IPL, leaving the foreign board (which groomed the player) short changed In either of these scenarios IPL will cause more harm than good, unless these concerns are appropriately addressed. 1) That kind of player can sign for ICL too. If a person doesn't have passion to play, obviously he'll never be chosen to play for his country. We've seen on many instances that it is character and determination of player which takes him forward, not just talent. If he doesn't have the drive, he'll otherwise also hurt his country, no? 2) Again I'll say that this tour is only for 44 days. If some players are content with this only, they'll never go forward anyway. And the respective boards should be careful in choosing their players and then giving them a NOC. In fact, as the IPL will be solving the cash problem, I can see more and more kids wanting to play cricket in the cash strapped countries like NZ, WI and so on. The more they'll play, the better they'll play, the more they'll earn even at IPL. See my response above. Gilly has retired from all forms of cricket. But he still manages to lure $800K, doesnt he ? Warne & Langer arent tailor made for T20, whereas Gilly is. Its got more to do with the potential of the player in the T20 format & his star value, than whether he still plays for his country. If SRT retires from cricket tomorrow, dont you think he will still sell over a million ? If a player is on the verge of retirement (such as Gilly), who may have otherwise carried on for another 2 years, IPL certainly plays a role in expediting his retirement decision. And then there are countries like NZ & Pakistan, whose players are insecure about their financial future. They will be glad to lap up a lucrative IPL contract, even if it means abandoning their national duties (as Shane Bond did recently) Isn't it better a player retires from cricket at the appropriate time instead of hanging for a few more years, blocking the place of a youngster? If a 36 years old retires from all forms of cricket, what wrong is he doing, even if he is retiring for IPL? I don't know why Bond preferred ICL to IPL. Maybe they were paying him much more and Bond must be thinking that he couldn't go ahead playing tests with his injury ridden body. IPL is a boon for those kind of cricketers as there will no no financial insecurity even if they play for NZ or Pak. I think they'll be more interested in their career because the the better they do, the more they'll earn. And for playing for IPL, you'll not need to abandon your national duty. Players earning more from all around the world can only be healthy for the game. I've read so many articlesw as to how test cricket days are numbered from now on and what a big demon IPL is and so on, but not even one article has convinced me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feed Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Just keep your country above IPL: Warne Purists may scoff at it but the Indian Premier League (IPL) is here to stay, says Australian spin legend Shane Warne. More... Posted online: Tuesday , February 26, 2008 at 1512 hrs IST Melbourne, February 26:: Purists may scoff at it but the Indian Premier League (IPL) is in Melbourne to stay, says Australian spin legend Shane Warne, who feels it is upto the cricketers to make sure that the cash-rich Twenty20 league does not threaten the international schedule. “I think that’s (IPL) here to stay, that isn’t going anywhere. If the players make sure that their country’s the number one priority then I don’t think we can go wrong. We should enjoy it, we should embrace it and it should be a lot of fun,” Warne was quoted as saying by the ‘Australian Associated Press’ (AAP). The retired tweaker, who will play for the Jaipur team, said IPL offered good money for six weeks of work. “The money side of things, obviously it’s fantastic, it’s a real bonus for six weeks’ work. Whatever you get is fine by me,” he said. On the ongoing on-field hostilities between India and Australia, Warne said there was nothing negative about it and the two teams were only being competitive. “We’ve obviously seen a few emotions out on the field which I think is pretty good. There’s been a few incidents both sides would probably look back on and say, you know, look if we could have done that again we might have done it differently,” he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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