Respect to Bengalis (and updates post the election result)

[Muloghonto]

On 6/3/2019 at 12:07 PM, vice said:

Wrong!! The matter of the fact is that there was enlightenment 3 centuries earlier in Punjab regarding Sati.

False. Meaningless 'denouncements' mean nothing, i can cite Itihaasas where Sati is denounced as early as 7th century AD. A random Punjabi Guru saying Sati is bad is not earth shattering, fact remains that its RRR who actually played the decisive role in abolish

On 6/3/2019 at 12:07 PM, vice said:

Portugese had banned Sati in Goa in the 16^th century.  So Bengal doesn’t get the first dips on this I’m afraid. 

 

On 6/3/2019 at 12:07 PM, vice said:

And it wasn’t just RRR, there were Christian missionaries as well who campaigned against Sati. 

Their campaigns did nothing. Its RRR who actually took concrete steps. Read history. 

On 6/3/2019 at 12:07 PM, vice said:

It was the 19^th century so obviously the world was fast changing and in the end, the final verdict was handed down by the British who had mass control of India.  Even the ban didn’t stop Sati for a long time.

Within 10 years of RRR's actions, Sati prevalence dropped by 90%. Again, British themselves say so. 

On 6/3/2019 at 12:07 PM, vice said:

Let me use your phrase “johnny come lately” for Bengal.  Nice try!!  If anything, the British enforcement phased out Sati as many had already campaigned against Sati 3 centuries earlier.

Rando Punjabi guru saying meaningless words with no out-reach and effect mean nothing. 

[Muloghonto]

On 6/3/2019 at 12:13 PM, vice said:

 

Completely missed the point?  Point was other regions had educational faculties, not just Bengal. 
 

Very few places in India did. The point is Bengal DOMINATED the education of Indian civilization along with Bihar. Even uganda has a university or two. Doesn't make it fit to be compared to USA. Similarly, rest of the regions of India are nothing compared to Bengal and Bihar's contribution to Indian sciences, education and intellignsia historically. 

 

On 6/3/2019 at 12:13 PM, vice said:

Taxila is one of the oldest, if not the oldest. And Bihar tops Bengal in number of universities as well. 

 

Bihar edges out Bengal barely by a university or two. Bengal had more universities than rest of India combined, outside of Bihar. 

On 6/3/2019 at 12:13 PM, vice said:

The point is that the British, while robbing India, provided the educational infrastructure.  The rise of Bengali science coincides with the British investing heavily into the region in one way or another.

The British provided education infra in all major cities too. The rest sat around doing nothing. The rise of Bengali science coinciding with the British occupation is DESPITE the British occupation, not because of it.  If it was due to it, then Maharashtra and TN would've produced just as many luminaries, given the Brits also invested heavily there. 

[Muloghonto]

On 6/3/2019 at 12:16 PM, vice said:

 Nice way to describe your cowardice and taking pride in being subservient.

It is much nicer than being a moron who loses multiple times and gets his wife raped and children enslaved. 

On 6/3/2019 at 12:16 PM, vice said:

How many times and different ways do you want it to be repeated before you get it?  Paying the most taxes by being the most subservient to the Mughals/British doesn’t make the locals the richest.

Yes, it does, when the tax is collected uniformly. If region A and B both pay 25% tax and region A produces more, then region A is richer. No amount of Bengal-hate will change that. 

On 6/3/2019 at 12:16 PM, vice said:

Mughals/British invested the most in Bengal to produce high yields. 

No, Mughals invested far more in Punjab+ UP, given that it was their fundamental power base. 

On 6/3/2019 at 12:16 PM, vice said:

 

It’s a simple fact the British/Mughals invested the most in Bengal and whored it out to the maximum.  With it came some benefits to the locals as well like the educational infrastructure that the British brought.

The simple reason why Bengal was the richest economy is because we had the agriculturally richest part of the Ganges valley - its delta, we also were one of the gateway to the shipping routes going east and while Bengal could grow most spices and cash crops, jute was not grown outside of Bengal till 1700s AD and even at independnce Jute, a cash crop was 90% produced in the ganges delta. 

We were the richest, because we were the richest region of India for consumable products. You are a total idiot when it comes to history. 

[Muloghonto]

On 6/3/2019 at 12:55 PM, vice said:

Actually, the lack of awareness of other communities' contributions is what's the shallow part

 

There is not hate for Bengalis here. Just showing the alternate perspective to you delusional Bengalis. Here we go again.  The matter of the fact is  Bengal was one of the first regions to be colonized by the British and they invested heavily into the region than any other region in India.  So along with it came infrastructure for education/research.  Just look at Bengalis crying in this thread about being ignored by Congress as the reason for its decline.  So let me repeat, so when the British invested the most in Bengal, obviously the region reaped rewards. 

The British invested just as heavily in Tamil Nadu as in Bengal. TN lagged behind. British put in the same infra in Bombay as Calcutta. Bombay lagged behind. 

And matter of fact is, ecept for Bihar, we've always been more education inclined than the rest of the Indians  with only the Tamils in modern times coming close. This is the reason why our rulers built way more universities in Bengal than anywhere else outside of Bihar, in the entire Indians subcontinent. 
 

On 6/3/2019 at 12:55 PM, vice said:

 

All this talk by you Bengalis about Bengal being the ‘beacon’ /being unparalled is utter rubbish and delusional superiority complex. 

Facts are facts. We were the leaders and whether we were due to the British or not, still doesn't change the fact that it was our people who lead the way for Indians in the intelligensia department for 150 years. 

On 6/3/2019 at 12:55 PM, vice said:

 Saying when the rest of India was in its ‘nadir/in the dumps’… Well there’s a world beyond Bengal region.  Several other kingdoms had not even colonized by the British and were actually enjoying its golden years. Many other communities have easily garnered excellence in literature, religious enlightenment, culture, arts,music,etc. …Bengalis are not the only one. Go learn some history about others.

Bengali guy wrote the national anthem of TWO nations. Yours havn't. Go suck on that. Other regions' accomplishment from 1700-1960 = 

[Muloghonto]

20 hours ago, Under_Score said:

Most Bengali posters are knowledgeable here...then there are exceptions, you already dealt with a Chameleon who was a Libtard who used to make fun of RSS initially, then became a Centrist....Presently is praising NAMO....He changed according to Election results 

I am still a liberal, still make fun of RSS and still a centrist. Its beyond your understanding, due to the # of brain cells you've killed over the years by wearing your pagri too right. Go beat your wife for asking you to help fold her laundry and not straying from her place in the house. 

Edited June 5, 2019 by Muloghonto

[Muloghonto]

On 6/3/2019 at 1:01 PM, vice said:

Coming to the ‘freedom struggle’, all Bengalis keep talking about is the list at Kaala Paani. Yes, kudos to them. However, merely just talking about how Bengalis outnumbered the rest of Indians is the real shallow part. 

 

A few points from the top of my head:

 

1) Well, up til the 1930s, the Punjabis actually had DOUBLE the sacrifices than Bengalis according to the listings at Kaala Paani.    

 

Looks like sources are straight outta Sikh irridentist idiots...

Edited June 5, 2019 by Muloghonto

[Muloghonto]

48 minutes ago, Under_Score said:

Please change your BP medicine, it seems ineffective...I don't want you to suffer a Cardiac arrest or a Stroke 

I have no such issues, mr no-brain. The only one with issues is the wife beating sort who makes fun of men for doing household chores. 

Edited June 5, 2019 by Muloghonto

[vice]

Have not read past posts due to the World Cup. Might respond after the WC. 

[vice]

On 6/4/2019 at 9:51 PM, Muloghonto said:

Looks like sources are straight outta Sikh irridentist idiots...

First of all, learn to differentiate Sikhs/Punjabis. 

 

Source is the Cellular Jail records.  The original list by the Indian government was curtailed and sorted by states/provinces.  

 

Here's the pictures of the plaques where Punjab had 73 and Bengal had 46 from 1909-1921.  In the early part, Punjabis dominated and Bengalis in the latter half.  Anyways, Cellular Jail is just one source. Not everyone was sent there.  

 

Other Punjabi movements such as the non-cooperation led by the Kuka movement in the nineteenth century, Gadar Party, Jaliawalan Bagh massacre,etc.  So definitely others played an important role in the freedom struggle as well.

 

Plaques from the Cellular jail

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 7, 2019 by vice

[Muloghonto]

2 minutes ago, Under_Score said:

Thanks for exposing the compulsive LIAR  

Still butt-hurt that i exposed you as a racist anti- bengali/bihari terrorist supporter. Go beat your wife some more. 

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, Under_Score said:

You can't face REALITY...back to the silly repetitive stuff 

The only one who cant face reality, is you, which is why you are never able to counter an argument. 

[Muloghonto]

2 minutes ago, Under_Score said:

Go reply to the post by @vice 

First i will deal with the ignorant chela like you, who doesn't have brain cells to make a cogent argument ever. As i said, you wear your pagri too tight. 

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, vice said:

First of all, learn to differentiate Sikhs/Punjabis. 

 

Source is the Cellular Jail records.  The original list by the Indian government was curtailed and sorted by states/provinces.  

 

Here's the pictures of the plaques where Punjab had 73 and Bengal had 46 from 1909-1921.  In the early part, Punjabis dominated and Bengalis in the latter half.  Anyways, Cellular Jail is just one source. Not everyone was sent there.  

 

Other Punjabi movements such as the non-cooperation led by the Kuka movement in the nineteenth century, Gadar Party, Jaliawalan Bagh massacre,etc.  So definitely others played an important role in the freedom struggle as well.

 

Plaques from the Cellular jail

1. If other sources are to be considered ( though there are few first hand evidence like CJ records), then we can consider British sources too - all of which point to Bengal as the hotbed of violent agitation against the British. 

 

2. Cellular jail plaques ? Seriously that is your source ?!? Mate, the plaque went to the politically favorable ones, the LEDGERS are the ones that are far more relevant. 

 

[Muloghonto]

12 minutes ago, Under_Score said:

I don't wear Pagri, your wife must be wearing your chaddi 

I knew you were a faku Sikh. Better my wife wearing my chaddi than your wife crying due to your danda. 

[vice]

Speaking of Sikhs, if you factor that the vast majority of Punjabis during the freedom struggle were Sikhs, then the ratio of Sikh population vs contributions/sacrifices easily leaves behind every religious or regional groups and even the Bengalis BY A DOMINANT DISTANCE.

Edited June 7, 2019 by vice

[Muloghonto]

6 minutes ago, vice said:

Speaking of Sikhs, if you factor that the vast majority of Punjabis during the freedom struggle were Sikhs, then the ratio of Sikh population vs contributions/sacrifices easily leaves behind every religious or regional groups and even the Bengalis BY A DOMINANT DISTANCE.

the vast majority of Bengali activists were Hindus. Like more than 90% of them. Given that Bengal's population of Hindus (pre-partition) was like 33%, bengali hindus are comparable to Sikhs in terms of impact towards independence struggle. 

[vice]

Just now, Muloghonto said:

the vast majority of Bengali activists were Hindus. Like more than 90% of them. Given that Bengal's population of Hindus (pre-partition) was like 33%, bengali hindus are comparable to Sikhs in terms of impact towards independence struggle. 

Sikh population of India is less than 2% and Hindu population is around 80%.

[Muloghonto]

8 minutes ago, vice said:

Sikh population of India is less than 2% and Hindu population is around 80%.

Bong hindu population in India is around 4.5% and in undivided India is around 2% as well. 

[vice]

11 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Bong hindu population in India is around 4.5% and in undivided India is around 2% as well. 

If you're really going to be starting to pick sub categories i.e Bengali Hindus, even then Bengali Hindus outnumber Sikhs in the whole of  India/undivided India by  300-400% (3-4 times).

Edited June 7, 2019 by vice

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, vice said:

If you're really going to be starting to pick sub categories i.e Bengali Hindus, even then Bengali Hindus outnumber Sikhs in the whole of  India/undivided India by  300-400% (3-4 times).

If punjabi sikh sub-category is a valid one, so is Bengali Hindu. Yes, we outnumber Sikhs by 4x but according to the British records, the Bengal province was far more volatile than any other province too.