Dhoni should give up keeping in ODIs?

[veer]

he is been having bad back already.. in the last final, he hardly played 10 balls and had to call physio for massage and had to put back strap.. he was instrumental in winning 20/20 and ODI series.. cant loose him with injuries.. and there is already back up keeper in KKD.. keeping in tests, ODIS, and 20/20 will be too taxing for him and his back.. i say GIVE IT UP in ODIs..

[King]

Keeper batsman is the in thing right now and I value his wicket keeping more than his batting. That's saying something. I was tired of seeing the likes of Parthiv and the rest drop catch after catch behind stumps. Although it's not a bad idea for him not to keep it'll screw up the balance in the team. Gilly opened and kept for most part of his career and was not ridden with injuries. If Dhoni can follow a good physical fitness programme through out he'll be good.

[Anakin]

No, we need the extra batsman/bowler.

[veer]

No' date=' we need the extra batsman/bowler.[/quote'] i dont think it throws off our team blance.. if KKD is good enough.. he can easily replace one of those 5-6 batsman.. Dhoni was dealing with multiple injuries at the end of series.. before aus tour I was thinking, Dhoni is our work-horse... and physically damn fit.. but I was wrong..

[fineleg]

KKD's batting (esp in ODIs - check the matches he has played) is :giggle:

[Anakin]

KKD is no good for ODIs veer bhai. He's like Kaif or just a little better.

[bharat297]

Atm ... especially to the spinners ... id say Dhoni is the best keeper in the world.

[Zakhmi]

he is been having bad back already.. in the last final, he hardly played 10 balls and had to call physio for massage and had to put back strap.. he was instrumental in winning 20/20 and ODI series.. cant loose him with injuries.. and there is already back up keeper in KKD.. keeping in tests, ODIS, and 20/20 will be too taxing for him and his back.. i say GIVE IT UP in ODIs..

In this quote, I would emphasize your second line that MSD has devised the T20 and ODI winning team. Remember when there is a WK-Captain, bowlers bowl with accuracy and to the point/as required. Also, WK-Captains have been more successful than others. Regarding the other statements in the quote, today we have lots of techniques, exercises and therapies to keep and maintain the fitness of players. MSD must undergo a thorough course of fitness before every series as he is young and energetic, he can take these pressures well with his youth and confidence.

[mhr123]

MSD's keeping has come up leaps and bound.... earlier KKD was regarded as the best keeper in the Squad but MSD has passed him .. his great success with gloves have been one of the reason for the great success we had in the Test and ODI's

[Sachinism]

replace dhoni with KKD or parthiv for test matches or just give him some time off if one of the others can do a decent job

[veer]

replace dhoni with KKD or parthiv for test matches or just give him some time off if one of the others can do a decent job

you mean play him as pure batsman? I dont think thats a good idea.. he needs to score lot of runs first to play him as pure batsman.. and if you totally replace him in tests, it will be distaster for his psychology as well as his captaincy career in ODIs..

[Zakhmi]

you mean play him as pure batsman? I dont think thats a good idea.. he needs to score lot of runs first to play him as pure batsman.. and if you totally replace him in tests, it will be distaster for his psychology as well as his captaincy career in ODIs..

yes, definitely. he is young and energetic, he can take good care of his fitness presently.

[veer]

just read this article.. Rotation comes round again Having more or less separate teams for Tests and ODIs is working well for India - but not for too many other teams, oddly enough Siddhartha Vaidyanathan March 10, 2008 Dhoni and Tendulkar are the only two players in India's top seven who play in both Test and ODI teams © AFP Australia have lost another CB Series final and their captain is talking of player exhaustion. Somewhere, Steve Waugh is chuckling. About eight years ago, when player workload was not quite the hot topic it is today, Waugh copped flak for his "rotation policy" under which those who were part of Australia's Test side didn't play all ODIs. The middle order comprised specialists such as Andrew Symonds, Ian Harvey and Shane Lee. Just when it seemed like yet another of Waugh's revolutionary ideas, South Africa and New Zealand arrived for a tri-series in early 2002. The more Australia rotated players, the more they lost to New Zealand. For the first time in six years, Australia didn't make the final. It marked the end of Waugh's ODI career, and since then, Australia under Ricky Ponting have preferred to be more circumspect about rotation as well. Apart from Nathan Bracken and James Hopes, the nine other Australians who played in the second CB Series final this year were part of the Test team as well. Brad Haddin, a pure ODI player till now, is set for a dual role in the wake of Adam Gilchrist's retirement. The trend is probably related to Test cricket's heightened pace, which allows one-day batsmen to thrive at the Test level. Pitches have veered towards batsmen, run-rates have soared, and even those with susceptible techniques have found a way to dominate Test attacks. Australia aren't alone. Daniel Vettori now captains New Zealand in both forms and the core of his side doesn't change much between the two. South Africa drafted in a few specialists for the one-dayers against Bangladesh, but come the big games, Graeme Smith still has to depend on AB de Villiers, Jacques Kallis, Mark Boucher, Dale Steyn, Andre Nel, Makhaya Ntini and himself to do well in both forms. Mahela Jayawardene and Shoaib Malik face similar predicaments, Chris Gayle doesn't have too many options rotation-wise, and Bangladesh's core remains the same for both formats. Michael Vaughan and Paul Collingwood split the captaincy in England, but there again the core doesn't change: Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell and Collingwood are integral members, while Alastair Cook and Ryan Sidebottom have cemented their spots as well. In fact, in the recent Hamilton Test, Sidebottom outdid England's Test specialists, Steve Harmison, Matthew Hoggard and Monty Panesar. It's a curious situation. With Twenty20 spreading its wings, the time is ripe for rotation. Bits-and-pieces players have a chance to create a niche for themselves, while the more gritty, stodgy variety can concentrate on Tests. While there's a place for Michael Vandort and Ashwell Prince, there's also opportunity for Dimitri Mascarenhas and Dwayne Smith. It's even more mystifying considering how serious a factor burnout is today. Since the start of 2007, Michael Clarke, Adam Gilchrist and Matthew Hayden (all regulars in Australia's Test line-up) have played 124 ODIs between them. In fact, seven of the top ten players who've played the most ODIs in this period have been integral members of their sides' Test teams as well. India buck the trend Which brings us to India. The three-month-long tour of Australia has taken its toll - four of their players could miss the Tests against South Africa - but the bench is currently in rude health. Not only do they have separate captains but, either by accident or design, each side has a totally different nucleus. In the top seven, only Sachin Tendulkar and Mahendra Singh Dhoni play both forms. The meat of the Test batting line-up includes Wasim Jaffer, Sourav Ganguly, VVS Laxman, and Rahul Dravid (apart from Tendulkar). Anil Kumble, the captain and spearhead, gets a good rest between Test series too. With Twenty20 spreading its wings, the time is ripe for rotation. Bits-and-pieces players have a chance to create a niche for themselves, while the more gritty, stodgy variety can concentrate on Tests India's CB Series win might have marked the end of three one-day careers (Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman) but it could also have extended their Test ambitions by a good year. The fact that Virender Sehwag isn't a permanent part of the ODI squad, or Yuvraj of the Test side, could be a blessing in disguise, allowing them more time to recoup. There is a bit of overlap in the pace-bowling department but India are currently well placed to rotate even there. At full strength India's one-day options read: Zaheer Khan, Sreesanth, RP Singh, Ishant Sharma, Irfan Pathan, Munaf Patel, Praveen Kumar. All except Praveen have shown they can step it up in Tests. The two Singhs, VRV and Pankaj, wait in the wings, while Pradeep Sangwan, the Under-19 World Cup-winning left-armer, and Sudeep Tyagi, a tall medium-pacer from Uttar Pradesh, have had impressive debut seasons. Amid such riches is L Balaji set to return. India even have wicketkeeping bench-strength, unlike in the past. Dhoni, who has been on the road since May last year, will no doubt need a break at some point and Dinesh Karthik and Parthiv Patel are stand-in options for him. India now have about 25 players to choose from, a rare luxury. The team's schedule continues to be a hectic one - the Test series against South Africa is followed by the IPL, a tri-series in Bangladesh, the Asia Cup, and a tour of Sri Lanka. That both the Test and ODI sides have achieved some impressive successes lately should only prompt a more serious push towards a formalised rotation policy. With the kind of money the IPL is dishing out, one could soon reach a dangerous situation where players are tempted to choose franchise over country. India, in particular, need to beware of such a situation, considering the gruelling schedules the players have to put up with. Since January last year, Dhoni has gone 11 Tests, 47 ODIs and a World Twenty20 Championship without a break. Few cricketers will have passed through so many airports without picking up a serious injury; now that he's still standing, it's time for a rest. Siddhartha Vaidyanathan is an assistant editor at Cricinfo

[fineleg]

All except Praveen have shown they can step it up in Tests. The two Singhs, VRV and Pankaj, wait in the wings, while Pradeep Sangwan, the Under-19 World Cup-winning left-armer, and Sudeep Tyagi, a tall medium-pacer from Uttar Pradesh, have had impressive debut seasons. Amid such riches is L Balaji set to return. Siddhartha Vaidyanathan is an assistant editor at Cricinfo

Really? I hope he is fit and can recover his awesome Test match form before injury struck.

[Desi Cartman]

I heard somewhere that Utthapa can keep as well then why not get him to keep in few ODIs ...

[DomainK]

I am quite sure that MSD's injuries are because of the long tour and not because of the dual responsibilities. Besides, as a captain, he cant position himself better than right behind the stumps.

[diegovegaz]

do u want india out of the race of becoming world no.1 even b4 it has reached it???? with the way dhoni is handling his cricket, even dilip vengasarkar should not think of playing with his career!!!!

[suraj]

I think this is the time that wktkeeping should be handed over to SRT baaki sab toh kar hi liya hai batting, bolwing, fielding, captaincy..... this will make his career complete before retirement & he can also be utilized then in some role when we are chasing