guju24 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 really feel sorry for Chopra and other players who really worked hard in past ranji tournament...specially chopra who showed consistent form in both test and one day and still didnt get pick in 15 squad....and i have same concern as u Talksport that jaffer didnt so **** in AUS and he still got picked plus yuvraj also...i think doing good job with CB series now our selectors are legging again. Link to comment
comm_box Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Care to list against whom, where and what is his FC contribution over the last few years ? Besides, i really don't value the opinions of those who think Gambhir should replace dada in the test squad. Those who think that a specialist opener can replace a bona-fide middle order /lower-middle order batsman in test cricket lack a fundamental understanding of the game as far as i am concerned. Gambhir can join the Indian Team as a middle order batsman too as he showed in Australia. He is in a terrific form right now. Ganguly though has batted well in the past 1 year the Indian Team does need to look and plan ahead successfully. We don't want to lose a series in order to drop a senior. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 DSR, have you lost your sense of reasoning completely or is this some attempt at nepotism ? WTF has Gambhir done in Tests/First Class cricket to deserve selection in the test team ? You say he is in red-hot form. I say tis true, but thats in ODI cricket. I don't care if Gambhir scores a century every 3 innings in ODIs- that has ZERO relevance to test cricket and ODI form is NOT a benchmark for test selection or vice-versa! As for pushing dada out, Dada has been excellent in tests in the recent years- he's had a medeocre tour of Australia but apart from that, he has made runs against all teams in recent times. Oh and dada is 35- which isnt that old for TEST team for a specialist batsman. AFAIAC, Gambhir has done ZILCH to be selected in the test team. Let him score a few tons, play a few pivotal innings in FC cricket and then we can talk about his selection to the TEST squad. Till then, Gambhir is rightly out of the TEST team. He has great form in FC cricket and A tours, as well as odis. Odis also give a very good indication of the ability to handle tests. He would not be the first or the last to do well in odis and on that basis be promoted to tests and deliver. There are many players who have done this, the list is exhaustive! So no need to criticise him for doing WELL in odis and 20/20s, it is a feather in his cap! So you think jaffer and yuvi deserve to be in squad ahead of him? Note Gambhirs brilliant rtecord in first class cricket showing he is more suited to tests IMO! Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 Care to list against whom, where and what is his FC contribution over the last few years ? Besides, i really don't value the opinions of those who think Gambhir should replace dada in the test squad. Those who think that a specialist opener can replace a bona-fide middle order /lower-middle order batsman in test cricket lack a fundamental understanding of the game as far as i am concerned. Well I really don't value the opinions of someone who only a few months ago was saying the greatest batsman india or the world has ever produced should be axed from the test team! To want sachin axed and to post so many times how poor he is, really to me shows a lack of fundemantal understanding of the game as far as i am concerned. Link to comment
CC1981 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 He has great form in FC cricket and A tours, as well as odis. So quote some stats of his domestic performance and stack it up against the rest, dude. Odis also give a very good indication of the ability to handle tests no, and that is a retarded comment. Bevan was an ODI great, not a test great. Same with how Yuvraj is shaping up or how Clarke has been. Tugga was amazing in tests but pretty average in ODIs and Sehwag is shaping up to be the same story. Fact is, ODI is a different form of the game and those who think ODI can give 'good indication' about Tests or vice-versa are just clueless and running with emotion instead of reason. So you think jaffer and yuvi deserve to be in squad ahead of him? Jaffer ? Yes. Yuvvy ? No, but either way, i wouldn't have Gambhir in the squad- if i had my way, i'd have atleast 3 other players before Gambhir- Sharma, Tiwary and the new opener that Salil keeps raving about but who's name i can't rememeber. Well I really don't value the opinions of someone who only a few months ago was saying the greatest batsman india or the world has ever produced should be axed from the test team! My comments, unlike yours, was grounded in the FACT that Tendy had gone missing in action for the last 7-8 test series played against serious opposition and had either mediocre or pathetic returns against them. Greatest batsman india has ever produced doesnt get picked coz of reputation- if that were the case, Gavaskar would still be playing. To want sachin axed and to post so many times how poor he is, really to me shows a lack of fundemantal understanding of the game as far as i am concerned Sorry, but your reflexive jibe has zero merit. Sachin was criticized not just by me, but by several former players with credentials in cricket far more credible than yours'. Fact is, if a player is not performing, he deserves the chop, even if his name is Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar- and fact is, until recently, Sachin was failing pretty badly in tests for a long time. On the other hand, you will be hardpressed to find any serious or credible comments regarding cricket where ODI form is equated to be 'test form indicator' or vice versa. That is nothing but bull$hit of the highest order and a basic cursory examination of Gambhir's play is evident enough that his test credentials require a lot more polishing before he is considered for the team. Link to comment
CC1981 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Gambhir can join the Indian Team as a middle order batsman too as he showed in Australia. He is in a terrific form right now. Ganguly though has batted well in the past 1 year the Indian Team does need to look and plan ahead successfully. We don't want to lose a series in order to drop a senior. #3 is top order, not middle order. And i have seen nothing in Gambhir's play that indicates he is ready to handle test cricket or bat lower down the order in tests. his swipes and nurdles to third man would be gobbled up by the slips 9 times outta 10 as far as i am concerned, that too before he hits double digits. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 So quote some stats of his domestic performance and stack it up against the rest, dude. no, and that is a retarded comment. Bevan was an ODI great, not a test great. Same with how Yuvraj is shaping up or how Clarke has been. Tugga was amazing in tests but pretty average in ODIs and Sehwag is shaping up to be the same story. Fact is, ODI is a different form of the game and those who think ODI can give 'good indication' about Tests or vice-versa are just clueless and running with emotion instead of reason. Jaffer ? Yes. Yuvvy ? No, but either way, i wouldn't have Gambhir in the squad- if i had my way, i'd have atleast 3 other players before Gambhir- Sharma, Tiwary and the new opener that Salil keeps raving about but who's name i can't rememeber. My comments, unlike yours, was grounded in the FACT that Tendy had gone missing in action for the last 7-8 test series played against serious opposition and had either mediocre or pathetic returns against them. Greatest batsman india has ever produced doesnt get picked coz of reputation- if that were the case, Gavaskar would still be playing. Sorry, but your reflexive jibe has zero merit. Sachin was criticized not just by me, but by several former players with credentials in cricket far more credible than yours'. Fact is, if a player is not performing, he deserves the chop, even if his name is Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar- and fact is, until recently, Sachin was failing pretty badly in tests for a long time. On the other hand, you will be hardpressed to find any serious or credible comments regarding cricket where ODI form is equated to be 'test form indicator' or vice versa. That is nothing but bull of the highest order and a basic cursory examination of Gambhir's play is evident enough that his test credentials require a lot more polishing before he is considered for the team. Disagree with your above post! Link to comment
Vignesh Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Gautham Gambhir May be in the form of his life but he is a specialist one day player.....He should be so..... Gautham will not find a place in the tests atleast for the time being unless jaffer plays really bad... Sehwag is bound to open with jaffer then comes what is possibly the best middle order(atleast on Papers) Rahul Dravid,Sachin Tendulkar VVS Laxman & Sourav Ganguly.Wicket keeper M.S.Dhoni seals another middle order spot as Captain Kumble,Harbhajan,Irfan,Sreesanth& R.P. Singh hunting each other out as one needs to be left out...leave out bhajji n use sachin n sehwag instead to accomodate three seamers is advisable buttaking into account that the saffies are not good players of spin bhajji needs to play particularly on sub continental wickets offering assistance to spin. Give jaffer just one chance...If he fails promote dada up the order n play pathan as the all rounder... This should be the Strategy to win against saffies.... Gambhir will fit in the one day scheme of things perfectly with his versatility n flexibility...... Link to comment
Laaloo Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 #3 is top order' date=' not middle order. And i have seen nothing in Gambhir's play that indicates he is ready to handle test cricket or bat lower down the order in tests. his swipes and nurdles to third man would be gobbled up by the slips 9 times outta 10 as far as i am concerned, that too before he hits double digits.[/quote'] :two_thumbs_up::two_thumbs_up: Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 so i feel sorry for chopra jaffers form in aus was atrocious and he and yuvi gets rewarded :( What inconsistency from this poster. Slams gambhir and says he should not be in squad cos he is 27 even though he is 26 and also slams him for having his chance and so should not be selected. But wants Chopra in who is 30, who also had is chance and averaged lower then Gambhir! This poster is one to watch for his inconsistencies and factually inaccurate posts. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 well how will u knw whether or not badrinath can "HACK" at the international level if he didnt get any chance yet. He didnt even get selected in the 15 squad. and remember hes 27 No you remember that he is 26!Your post is horribly wrong in its factual content! Maybe you tried to do a factually inaccurate post on purpose to try and swing a debate. Clearly 26 is too old now and any players 26+ should give up trying to play for India and should not be selected according to this poster! Link to comment
f.b.m Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 To state the damn obvious, Gambir and AC have been unlucky, Link to comment
Sachinism Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 CC here's GG's first class stats Matches: 94 Innings: 156 NO: 17 Runs: 7504 HS:233* Average: 53.98 100's: 24 50's: 30 and you think that isnt good enough??? Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 Really no idea why everyone is pidgeon holing him as an odi player. To me he has always been a test player and not odi player. He is 26 and in red hot form. The time is right for GG. The selectors have missed a great opportunity here Link to comment
yoda Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Need to see more consistency from Gambhir. Link to comment
yoda Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Who should be dropped to make way for Chopra? I am fine with Sehwag and Jaffer as openers for now. We can't have Chopra and Jaffer together as their best case scenario score will prolly read 20/0 at lunch. Link to comment
fineleg Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 I am not against trying GG in Tests. But that is based on *intuition only* Because all that he has proved so far is he is a ODI player and not a Test player. They are two very different games, and maybe he can be given one more FINAL chance in Tests. If in Test-1, WJ does not do well, GG may get a chance before the series is over. Link to comment
Laaloo Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 and poor badrinath will never get a chance useless players like yuvi will keep on getting chances even though hes injured y cant he freaking heal his injury first Link to comment
guju24 Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 Who should be dropped to make way for Chopra? I am fine with Sehwag and Jaffer as openers for now. We can't have Chopra and Jaffer together as their best case scenario score will prolly read 20/0 at lunch. ya cant we drop jaffer...wht did he do on AUS tour...since he was successful against pakistan in india that donest mean that he has get selected...if the past record been checked then i think chopra was far better in AUS compare to jaffer and still didnt get selected and again after having successful ranji tournament he still doesnt get pick...i think this is just too much from our selectors...no wonder player transfer to ICL... Link to comment
yoda Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 ya cant we drop jaffer...wht did he do on AUS tour...since he was successful against pakistan in india that donest mean that he has get selected...if the past record been checked then i think chopra was far better in AUS compare to jaffer and still didnt get selected and again after having successful ranji tournament he still doesnt get pick...i think this is just too much from our selectors...no wonder player transfer to ICL... Jaffer scores big when he does, unlike Gambhir who typically fails to capitalize on his decent starts. Both fail often. It is not an easy choice. Link to comment
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