Discussion on ICL Players : Do ICL players deserve better?

[Mr. Wicket]

Bangladesh cricket board is the leart equipped to take on the might of the bcci rogues.

Wrong. BCB have one essential thing that the BCCI want and need, and the BCCI will make some compromise to keep that critical vote on their side. At the very best, we may see the BCCI even softening the ICL stance. At the worst, we may see Bangladesh's coffers being filled with a five test series against India and 7 ODIs plus an ODI and T20 triangular every year for the next decade...... :((

[Kriterion]

Bdians are cursing India left and right on their forums

what the hell are you talking about. 'bdians' are actually calling the players "traitors" not cursing the india. there are a couple guys who are blaming BCCI, and rightly so, their stance on the ICL is directly a cause of this "crisis"

[beetle]

Wrong. BCB have one essential thing that the BCCI want and need, and the BCCI will make some compromise to keep that critical vote on their side. At the very best, we may see the BCCI even softening the ICL stance. At the worst, we may see Bangladesh's coffers being filled with a five test series against India and 7 ODIs plus an ODI and T20 triangular every year for the next decade...... :((

You do have a point there!:thumbs_up:

[Tapioca]

Wrong. BCB have one essential thing that the BCCI want and need, and the BCCI will make some compromise to keep that critical vote on their side. At the very best, we may see the BCCI even softening the ICL stance. At the worst, we may see Bangladesh's coffers being filled with a five test series against India and 7 ODIs plus an ODI and T20 triangular every year for the next decade...... :((

The more likely scenario is that nothing special will happen. BCCI will use its power to see it to it that nothing happens to Bangladesh's test status (but no other sops) and the rebels will be banned from all "official" cricket. Whatever BD does in the series against NZ will be an improvement on the show in Australia and there will be people to praise the patriotism of the current players and pretend that the exodus to ICL is no loss. As it is, too many Bangladesh players are being promoted directly to international cricket from a very low level. This cleans up the second layer of players and it will be an even bigger jump for new guys.

[Desi Cartman]

Just by banning ICL , IPL has given ICL importance and free publicity. as for the OP , the players r right by making a good business decesion. Sab dhanda hai bhai ! Im sure if Sharad pawar and modi were to get twice as much money as they getting right now then even these guys will join ICL

[Texy]

India or BCCI?

an event like this usually brings out inner hate .........

[Kriterion]

The more likely scenario is that nothing special will happen. BCCI will use its power to see it to it that nothing happens to Bangladesh's test status (but no other sops) and the rebels will be banned from all "official" cricket. Whatever BD does in the series against NZ will be an improvement on the show in Australia and there will be people to praise the patriotism of the current players and pretend that the exodus to ICL is no loss. As it is, too many Bangladesh players are being promoted directly to international cricket from a very low level. This cleans up the second layer of players and it will be an even bigger jump for new guys.

to be honest, i don't think this is as big a loss as i initially thought. its still a big hit, but not disastrous. the 6 who are leaving are: Md Rafique (retired already) Bashar (career is over) Kapali (not in the Test side) Aftab (not a Test regular) Farhad Reza (not even an ODI regular) Shahriar Nafees (struggling to secure a spot in the Test lineup) the other 8 or 7 guys are no-name domestics. so long as we don't have any other defectors (please, please, please) we shouldn't do any worse than we are doing at the moment.

[Tapioca]

to be honest, i don't think this is as big a loss as i initially thought. its still a big hit, but not disastrous. the 6 who are leaving are: Md Rafique (retired already) Bashar (career is over) Kapali (not in the Test side) Aftab (not a Test regular) Farhad Reza (not even an ODI regular) Shahriar Nafees (struggling to secure a spot in the Test lineup) the other 8 or 7 guys are no-name domestics. so long as we don't have any other defectors (please, please, please) we shouldn't do any worse than we are doing at the moment.

Add Dhiman who in Australia looked much better than Mushfiq, and the irregular Nazimuddin to it. There are about six or seven players who can be called regulars at the moment - Ashraful, Raqib, Sakib, Tamim, Mashrafe, Shahadat and on current form, Dhiman. Kapali-Aftab-Farhad-SN-Nazim are part of the second layer who are being recycled, and my guess is that two or three of them have always been part of the team in recent times. It is this pool of recycled players which is getting hit, and if a couple of batsmen go out of form, BD will have to bring up more teenaged kids. It may not immediately become apparent in the NZ series, but it will very soon worsen the already existing problems.

[DomainK]

With an alternative employment opportunity, we suddenly have too many players turning rebels. May be their mistake, may the boards. But the good thing is that players and boards can not take each other for granted now.

[Sachinism]

Dhaka Warriors The exodus of 13 players from Bangladesh to the Indian Cricket League - and into virtual exile from all official cricket - has been formalised with the unveiling in New Delhi of the Dhaka Warriors. The team, which will compete in the second season of (ICL) from October 10, will be led by Habibul Bashar, the former national captain, and includes recent internationals Aftab Ahmed, Alok Kapali, Shahriar Nafees, Farhad Reza, Dhiman Ghosh and Mosharraf Hossain. The ICL's latest signings, who will be coached by Balwinder Sandhu, the former India player, include four players who have represented Bangladesh in the past - retired left-arm spinner Mohammad Rafique, Tapash Baisya, Manjural Islam and Mohammad Sharif. The others are Golam Mabud, a reserve wicketkeeper after Ghosh, and Mahbubul Karim, part of the Bangladesh Academy team currently touring Sri Lanka. The move is likely to have a significant impact on Bangladesh cricket, and the recruits have drawn the anger of their fans, some of whom have even labelled them 'traitors'. Bashar reiterated the ICL stance - players contracted are free to turn out for their country . "ICL never asked us to stop playing for our country," he said as the ICL launched their second season. "That is the main reason we joined the ICL. Perhaps people back home haven't understood properly." Bashar was the first to be introduced as one by one each 'warrior' came on to the stage, dressed in green tee-shirts and dark slacks, with a sword in hand and a smile on the face. While a personal statement for each, it was also a show of strength for the league, which has faced many a hurdle since its inception. Kapil Dev, India's World Cup-winning captain and now chairman of the ICL's executive board, said he wanted to see these players represent Bangladesh, and be part of the league when away from national duty. "They have come here to make their life," he said. "How can you stop anybody not to play cricket? How can you stop people from not getting educated as cricket was education for me. If somebody says you only play with one set of people then that is wrong. We are not in apartheid era." Nafees, who at one point was seen as a potential successor to Bashar as Bangladesh captain, said he had the freedom to make his choice. "The player has all the right to choose what he has to do," he said. "I still believe I can play for my country. ICL is a new and unique concept to promote players, to train young guys and make them better cricketers. So I would like to take this opportunity and show what I can do." He downplayed the monetary significance of joining the league. "As a cricketer my first and love is to play cricket," he said. "When I was growing up money was always secondary. I've sacrificed ten years of my life to play at the highest level." The departure of Nafees, Aftab and Kapali will severely dent Bangladesh's batting, while Dhiman Ghosh was their first-choice wicketkeeper during the ODI series in Australia. Farhad Reza had played 32 one-dayers since his debut in July 2006 and left-arm spinner Mosharraf Hossain featured in the home ODIs against South Africa earlier in the year. The ICL have also signed two of Bangladesh's most experienced players in Bashar and Rafique. Bashar is Bangladesh's most-capped Test player with 50 matches. He led the team in 18 of those, including the country's only Test win over Zimbabwe in 2005 and in the 2007 World Cup, where they scored upset wins over India and South Africa. For long the mainstay of Bangladesh's batting, Bashar had fallen out of favour in the past year, and was disappointed with the lack of support he got, especially from current coach Jamie Siddons. Rafique, Bangladesh's leading wicket-taker in Tests and ODIs, had announced his retirement ahead of the South Africa's visit, but later said he had done it as a "mark of protest". He said in an interview: "It's better to leave before getting humiliated at the hands of some people who prevented me from playing Test cricket for two years." The Dhaka Warriors will be the ICL's second city-based team to feature players from a single country, after the Lahore Badshahs, consisting of only Pakistan players, performed splendidly on the field and more importantly gained a following among viewers, especially in Pakistan. The two teams will play alongside seven other sides in the ICL 20s Championship. The tournament will be held across four venues - Ahmedabad, Hyderabad, Gurgaon and Panchkula - and will be followed by the ICL World Series, during which the players from the Lahore Badshahs and Dhaka Warriors will take part as the Pakistan and Bangladesh XIs respectively. Dhaka Warriors: Habibul Bashar (capt), Aftab Ahmed, Shahriar Nafees, Alok Kapali, Dhiman Ghosh (wk), Farhad Reza, Manjural Islam, Golam Mabud (wk), Mahbubul Karim, Mohammad Rafique, Mohammad Sharif, Mosharraf Hossain, Tapash Baisya . http://content-www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/current/story/369926.html

[Dravid]

so r they banned from bangla team? if they r- bang is screwed big time= test status gone = bcci loses a vote so will bcci pressure bangla board into banning those players? :D hehehe, this should be fun :D

[sharma]

they r already a useless team, they wont lose test status by being more useless...

[Holysmoke]

warriors :hysterical:

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BCB rejects resignation by 'rebels', hints at possible ban BCB has hinted at a possible ban of the 13 cricketers who have aligned with ICL, hinting that it would act according to ICC's decision. More... BCB rejects resignation by 'rebels', hints at possible ban Agencies Posted: Sep 17, 2008 at 1200 hrs IST Dhaka, September 17: : Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) has hinted at a possible ban of the 13 cricketers who have aligned with Indian Cricket League (ICL), saying that it would act according to ICC's decision about unauthorised competitions while dealing with them. "Everything will be decided in line with the ICC's decision taken in last March about unauthorised competition," BCB's cricket operations committee chairman Gazi Ashraf Hossain said. The ICC does not recognise ICL and most countries do not permit their contracted players to join the unofficial league. The BCB has also rejected the resignation by its contracted players who have joined ICL, on the ground that they violated terms of contract with the Board. "We are not accepting their retirement letters. They didn't give us any prior notice before submitting the letters which is a clear violation of contract. "Also they didn't mention when their retirements would be effective from. It was also totally unacceptable the way they talked with the media and hence they breached the code of conduct," Ashraf was quoted as saying by 'Daily Star'. He said a final decision on the 'rebel' players will be taken after an emergency Board meeting on Wednesday. "The cricket operations committee will table their recommendations to the emergency meeting and they will ultimately take the decision," he said. Ashraf said there was still time for the players to return to BCB fold and they would the Board would welcome them if they do so. "Still our door is open for them and we have extended our hands to welcome them back, but they must come to us before we have taken the final decision. It's true we will miss their international experience but we have players in the pipeline," said the former skipper. Asked about a former BCB official's claim that current captain Mohammad Ashraful was the brain behind the exodus, Ashraf refused to add more fuel to the fire on the issue. "I know there is lot of talking about his involvement but we should talk with him first. We don't know about his link with the whole thing. He (Ashraful) however informed about the offer he got from ICL. And you know he is the player who will definitely get the highest offer and it's no joke to refuse 15 crore taka," said Ashraf.

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'Rebel' league ICL takes on ICC The unrecognised Indian Cricket League has taken a swipe at the sport's governing body after signing 11 Bangladesh internationals for their second season. More... 'Rebel' league takes on ICC September 17 2008 at 10:30AM New Delhi - The unrecognised Indian Cricket League took a swipe at the sport's governing body on Wednesday after signing 11 Bangladesh internationals for their second season. The ICL, bankrolled by India's largest listed media company Zee Telefilms, said it was frustrated at the International Cricket Council's delay in granting it official recognition. "We had applied for recognition in April, but till now nothing concrete has come out," ICL's business head Himanshu Mody said ahead of their new season starting on October 10. "They are acting in a tardy manner. If we don't hear anything from them in 14 days we will pursue the matter again." 'This is not South Africa or the apartheid regime' Media reports said legal action was one of the options the ICL was considering in a bid to hasten a decision. The powerful ICC-recognised Indian cricket board, which launched its own Indian Premier League Twenty20 competition earlier this year, has banned ICL players from all official matches. The Indian board also convinced its counterparts from around the world to shun ICL players amid the ICC's stated position that only tournaments okayed by the respective boards would be recognised. The ICL's first season comprised Twenty20 and 50-overs-a-side matches between eight teams that included a mix of international players and domestic Indian cricketers. Among the top stars aligned with the ICL are retired former Test captains Brian Lara of the West Indies and Inzamam-ul Haq of Pakistan, besides fiery New Zealand fast bowler Shane Bond and veteran Chris Cairns. A team from Bangladesh, called the Dhaka Warriors, will be inducted as the ninth team this year and includes 11 internationals led by former Test captain Habibul Bashar. "Please don't call us rebels," said Bashar, 36. "The ICL contracts do not prevent us from playing for Bangladesh. We are as keen as anyone to play for our country." ICL chairperson Kapil Dev, a legendary all-rounder and India's lone World Cup winning captain, lashed out at the Indian board for treating his players as "untouchables." "This is not South Africa or the apartheid regime, why are our players regarded as untouchables," Dev said. "Is it their fault they want to play? We are just trying to provide them with a better life, better conditions, better infrastructure and good medical facilities. "The Indian board has victimised players for no reason. We are here to promote the game. That is not the monopoly of the Indian board. "I hope Bangladesh will not ban those players who have come to us. We want them to play for their country and come to us only in their free time." With Bangladesh cricket in a crisis after the mass exodus and fears of more players signing with the ICL, the Indian board washed its hands of the new developments. "It has nothing to do with us," said Indian official Rajiv Shukla. "It is a matter between the Bangladesh board, the players and the ICC." Bangladesh, who are due to host New Zealand for two Tests and three one-day internationals next month, have lost 47 of their 53 Tests with just one win over fellow wooden spooners Zimbabwe.

[ssd123]

A couple of points, first bangladesh never win anything anyway so a bunch of under 16 players couldn't do any worse and secondly do the ICL teams need some players to help carry the drinks because these hacks from bangladesh have got no talent what so ever.

[Sachinism]

Bangladesh bans ICL recruits for 10 years The Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) on Wednesday have announced a ten-year ban for 13 of its top cricketers for joining the unauthorised Indian Cricket League (ICL), and is now hoping that the BCCI's Indian Premier League (IPL) and the Champions Twenty20 League will help them revive and boost the game in the country. An emergency meeting of the board this afternoon decided to ban "players, officials and technical staff of the BCB who participate in events not authorised by the ICC and BCB". A press release said the board was examining legal technicalities "for taking appropriate proceedings" against the ICL players and has also decided to "review the existing format of the contracts with players to discourage such abrupt action by cricketers in the future". Ahmed Sajjadul Alam, a BCB executive board member who was part of the meeting, told Cricinfo that the ICL ban would act as a "deterrent" and set an example "in the interests of Bangladesh cricket". He also termed suggestions that the country's Test status would be affected by the exodus as "terribly unfair", and claimed it had adequate replacements to ensure that New Zealand, who are visiting this month, is "in for a surprise". Admitting that Bangladesh will have to "accept the reality and move on", Alam said: "We now hope that one of our teams will be able to participate in the Champions League in another year or so, and that will be a huge boost for the country and its players. In fact we have received some kind of an assurance from IPL officials that they would look at recruiting more of our players so that they don't feel left out financially. We are also in touch with other cricketing boards on how they can help us." Abdur Razzak, the left-arm spinner, is the only Bangladesh player currently in the IPL and was signed up by Bangalore Royal Challengers for US$50,000. Although national boards don't get a share of IPL revenues, they will receive a significant sum for participating in the Champions Twenty20 along with a separate participation fee for their domestic Twenty20 champion teams that are invited. The Champions League is hoping to expand from eight teams this year to 12 in 2009. Alam, who also heads the BCB's media committee, said an example had been set in the interests of Bangladesh cricket. "We want this ban, which is in line with the ICC's policy on unauthorised cricket, to act as a firm deterrent for others." Alam said that allegations from some of the ICL recruits that they were mistreated by the BCB were "ridiculous" and added, "These players should be honest and admit openly they did this just for the money. That's the main reason. Why can't they be forthright about it? These players have let down their country and its people and opted to join a commercial venture which will benefit a group of individuals and nobody else. "There have been demonstrations and meetings here by fans who feel cheated by these players," Alam said. "We have received so many phone calls from fans expressing disgust at what these players have done. These are cricket lovers who have sacrificed a lot for the game; people who have thronged the stadiums to watch these players play; who have paid money to do that - money that has gone into the development and upbringing of these players." The 13 Bangladesh players who signed up for the ICL will be part of the Dhaka Warriors team that was unveiled in New Delhi on Tuesday. The team, which will compete in the second season from October 10, will be led by Habibul Bashar, the former national captain, and included recent internationals Aftab Ahmed, Alok Kapali, Shahriar Nafees, Farhad Reza, Dhiman Ghosh and Mosharraf Hossain.

[Zap_Brannigan]

Stop Blaming BCCI for ICL BCCI is responsible for cricket in India. They have been involved in the building of infrastructure and marketing it to the common man for several years. They pour money into domestic cricket and maybe even into district and college –level cricket. Infact they train these would be international and Ranji players. The ICL basically, without any of those costs, just wanna come in and scoop the players BCCI spend money on. They are directly threatening BCCI. The people who want BCCI to accept ICL, will they also accept BCCI cutting off funding of cricket in India, which basically would kill cricket (we all know how much the Indian govt. spends on cricket). This is the final line for BCCI. They spend money. They reap the rewards. If ICL wants to be accepted by them, they let ICF take care of domestic cricket to unearth the cricketers. Ofcourse, the BCCI has no authority to ask other nation not to support ICF but then again, these nations want to do business with BCCI. So basically, they have a non-competitive clause in their contract (as do most companies in real world): If the other nations want to work with BCCI, they cannot work with its competition. BCCI has its fault but clearly it is the lesser of 2 evils here (there is just 1 reason for ICF to even exist). If ICL is not stopped, we may lost many more talented individuals like Rayadu.

[Tapioca]

This is the final line for BCCI. They spend money. They reap the rewards. etc.

Zap - these sort of arguments are fine if you are talking about private company, but there are laws to take care of monopolies. BCCI isn't a private company. Its business is to help cricket in the country. It is supposed to do what is good for the game, not make sure that no one else takes a part of the cut, or prevent an alternate source of income for several young and ex-players. It is not a profit-based organization. What part of the 4000 crore each that it gets from ESPN and SET MAX and 2400 crore from Neo Sports goes back to the game and the players ? Its most celebrated use of the money in the context of ICL was to withhold the pension to Kapil, Sandip Patil etc as a punishment. In theory, it is answerable to the rest of us because it has been allowed to use the name of India. But in practice they show their middle finger at us.

[Zap_Brannigan]

Like i said, BCCI is not without its fault nor is its standards acceptable.But this is not about how much the politicians or the chairman loot BCCI. This is about how ICF could kill cricket. The “preventing others from the cut” or “preventing an alternate source of income for younger players” is what I am talking about. How about an analogy. Intel funds the entire R&D of Texas University and has been using the results as products to sell, profit and increase their funding. But AMD decides that it wants a piece of the cake too but without paying for the funding. So they offer a lot of money and steal a few researchers and ask them to make the products that they were making for Intel. Let’s assume that are no IP laws to stop something like from happening. So what do you think is goin to happen next if AMD grows? AMD will start eating the profits of Intel and Intel inturn has to cut down on the funding. The bigger AMD grows, the smaller the funding for more R&D. Do you not see this happening ?