Willow_on_fire Posted July 5, 2008 Posted July 5, 2008 Ind & Pak got independence in 1947...look at Indian economy today....and compare it to Pakistan's sorry state of affairs...in all fields. I personally feel...If Pak leaders (post independence) had spent more time towards development or growth....instead of trying all ideas to de-stablise India....then Pakistan would also be in the same boat as India....but...their hatred towards India resulted in their undergrowth...even if they realize it today....it would be a begining towards revival....but I'm not sure if they even want to.
THX_1138 Posted July 5, 2008 Posted July 5, 2008 thanks for the ingenius input. instead of commenting on the failure of other states, expend your valuable time and energy on the advancement of your own.
zubinpepsi Posted July 5, 2008 Posted July 5, 2008 ^^ Learning from other's mistakes, mijn vriendin? sprek jij nederlands?
Ram Posted July 5, 2008 Posted July 5, 2008 Ind & Pak got independence in 1947...look at Indian economy today....and compare it to Pakistan's sorry state of affairs...in all fields. I personally feel...If Pak leaders (post independence) had spent more time towards development or growth....instead of trying all ideas to de-stablise India....then Pakistan would also be in the same boat as India....but...their hatred towards India resulted in their undergrowth...even if they realize it today....it would be a begining towards revival....but I'm not sure if they even want to. Precisely. Pakistan's powers that be spent half their energies focusing on how to foster trouble in India, rather than forge methods to stabilize their own country. When your entire basis of existence is formed around animosity towards another country, then you know that your priorities are totally misplaced. Besides, the phrase 'When the chickens came home to roost' couldnt apply better to any other country. For decades, Pakistan turned a blind eye to Islamic fundamentalism, whether it be for the Afghan war against the Soviets, or the Proxy war against India.They assumed that all the Madraasas imbibing extremist doctrine will be just like some sort of manufacturing facility, something they could just 'turn the tap off' once their means were achieved and everything will just go away. Alas, that is far from the truth. Because of this, there is now a whole generation of Pakistanis that believes Jihad is a legitimate form of struggle and religion is above even nation. But Pakistan's biggest blight has been the constant presence of military in power. For a democracy, its startling to note that Pakistan has been under military rule more than under civilian one, since the birth of that country. And because these military dictators assume powers in these coups and essentially destroy all tools of civil liberties, imposing martial law and curtailing press freedom, the intelligentsia of Pakistan, especially towards modern aspects like Democracy and freedom has never had the time or space to develop. Therefore, these concepts are still at a VERY nascent stage in that country, which makes it easier for the military rulers to snatch it from the people every now and then.
Guest dada_rocks Posted July 5, 2008 Posted July 5, 2008 I think single biggest reason is that pakistan has too big an army for its size..... these army generals lead themselves become american soldier in return of some hardware since as early as 1956..
THX_1138 Posted July 5, 2008 Posted July 5, 2008 I think single biggest reason is that pakistan has too big an army for its size..... these army generals lead themselves become american soldier in return of some hardware since as early as 1956.. a large, autonomous army with considerable political might is a receipe for disaster against any democracy!
DomainK Posted July 5, 2008 Posted July 5, 2008 Precisely. Pakistan's powers that be spent half their energies focusing on how to foster trouble in India, rather than forge methods to stabilize their own country. When your entire basis of existence is formed around animosity towards another country, then you know that your priorities are totally misplaced. Besides, the phrase 'When the chickens came home to roost' couldnt apply better to any other country. For decades, Pakistan turned a blind eye to Islamic fundamentalism, whether it be for the Afghan war against the Soviets, or the Proxy war against India.They assumed that all the Madraasas imbibing extremist doctrine will be just like some sort of manufacturing facility, something they could just 'turn the tap off' once their means were achieved and everything will just go away. Alas, that is far from the truth. Because of this, there is now a whole generation of Pakistanis that believes Jihad is a legitimate form of struggle and religion is above even nation. But Pakistan's biggest blight has been the constant presence of military in power. For a democracy, its startling to note that Pakistan has been under military rule more than under civilian one, since the birth of that country. And because these military dictators assume powers in these coups and essentially destroy all tools of civil liberties, imposing martial law and curtailing press freedom, the intelligentsia of Pakistan, especially towards modern aspects like Democracy and freedom has never had the time or space to develop. Therefore, these concepts are still at a VERY nascent stage in that country, which makes it easier for the military rulers to snatch it from the people every now and then. I think it was a lot more than turning a blind eye. They have been instrumental. Though post 9/11 they seem to have been caught in a no mans land- sandwiched between two extremely angry enemies.....dealing with the mess they created over the decades. What you do always catches up with you.
Willow_on_fire Posted July 5, 2008 Author Posted July 5, 2008 thanks for the ingenius input. instead of commenting on the failure of other states' date=' expend your valuable time and energy on the[b'] advancement of your own. I'm already 'advanced'.....ar'nt you?....:--D
theguyinallblue Posted July 6, 2008 Posted July 6, 2008 Change the Name from "ISlamic Republic to Peoples Republic" Make Pakistan a Secular country and its consitution a secular constition. this will solve a lot of problems..
THX_1138 Posted July 6, 2008 Posted July 6, 2008 courting mary jane. Dank je. really or was that just a fib?
THX_1138 Posted July 6, 2008 Posted July 6, 2008 I'm already 'advanced'.....ar'nt you?....:--D Miles to before i sleep.
THX_1138 Posted July 6, 2008 Posted July 6, 2008 I think it was a lot more than turning a blind eye. They have been instrumental. Though post 9/11 they seem to have been caught in a no mans land- sandwiched between two extremely angry enemies.....dealing with the mess they created over the decades. What you do always catches up with you. True... those fundamentalists were the supposed breeding grounds for Mujahideen for the Afghan war against the oppressive Soviets... however, the world and importantly Pakistan turned its back on the concern of a large pool of fundamentalist preachers and their misguided followers who at first were pointed towards the East, but as their desire for greater involvement in the local government increased, their ambitions turned against the very nation that hosted them. If you breed a generation of hate, illiteracy and intolerance, it comes back to haunt you. Now the Mudrassas (not all of course) are funded by Wahabi petrodollars and will remain a thorn in the side for a good decade longer. Infact, we might see a factioning (culturally speaking of course) of the nation into a "return to the good-ole-glory days of islam" in the northwest and north... and a robust, economically vibrant, progressive, well educated and diversely employed south... regretably, the leadership will continue to emmerge from the punjab province which stands at the threshold of the two polar opposites and would be left with the tedious task of appeasing both sides! while i would not want to see pakistan destablize, such an insecure future seems inevitable, though i do not possess and powers of clairvoyance!
Guest dada_rocks Posted July 6, 2008 Posted July 6, 2008 Change the Name from "ISlamic Republic to Peoples Republic" Make Pakistan a Secular country and its consitution a secular constition. this will solve a lot of problems.. You are basically saying call Jinnah and his Muslim League's stuggle a big fat failure.. They aren;t going to do that.> You have no idea how painstakingly they have created in the minds of pakistani people an idea of pakistani as old as Mud Bin Qasim's arrival in sindh.... BTW these guys have romanticised this foreing invader by words like local buddhist population was not treated well by the hindu king in order to rescue them Muhd Bin Qasim came knokcing wiht hsi army.. Some woudl claim Qasim was so humane that just a single letter of an aggriveed sitizen fo sindh moved him to give his army a marching order.. By the way same set of people call americna invasion of Iraq an illegal war which btw it is so was that muhd bin qasim's foray in sindh. I am putting these two examples together in order to point out how the midn of a screwed-up ummah works.. Noone can deny under Saddam 80-90% of people of Iraw were persecuted . Noone can deny that million of Iraqi's not only sent a letter but sought refuge citing Saddam's executionary ways in america. So just for the sake of consistency should not Rumsfeld be equated with Muhd Bin qasim (btw idea of hindu king Dahar persecuting buddhist gentry is bs btu that's nto the point here) and romanticised as liberator..
flamy Posted July 6, 2008 Posted July 6, 2008 really or was that just a fib? well... I'm looking forward to be amsterdammed.
THX_1138 Posted July 6, 2008 Posted July 6, 2008 well... I'm looking forward to be amsterdammed. dang... been there twice but never been that courageous... maybe if i ever travel in a group, i would sample some of the cafes... any suggestions? or are they all the same? i hear the really rich stuff is still best acquired from an amateur horticulturalist than in a cafe...
flamy Posted July 8, 2008 Posted July 8, 2008 dang... been there twice but never been that courageous... maybe if i ever travel in a group, i would sample some of the cafes... any suggestions? or are they all the same? i hear the really rich stuff is still best acquired from an amateur horticulturalist than in a cafe... no suggestions mate. me too an amateur amsterdammer. although, I would guess the non-cafe stuff would be better. I say this from experience in acquiring happiness from a field in Srirangapatna. :D
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