Some British Muslims back killing

[kumble_rocks]

in the name of Islam ... Looks like some of these guys have been brainwashed beyond hope .. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2462911/Muslim-students-back-killing-in-the-name-of-Islam.html Muslim students back killing in the name of Islam A third of Muslim university students believe killing in the name of religion can be justified, a survey has revealed. By Duncan Gardham, Security Correspondent Last Updated: 3:18PM BST 27 Jul 2008 A study on the attitudes of students has found that 28 per cent said killing could be justified if the religion was under attack and another four per cent supported killing in order to "promote and preserve" the religion. Over half, 53 per cent, said killing in the name of religion was never justifiable but among non-Muslim students that figure was 94 per cent. While most students showed a typical generation gap where their parents were more religious than they were – 72 per cent – a significant 18 per cent said they were more strict in their religious observance than their parents. The importance of sharia law to most Muslim was underlined by the 40 per cent who said they supported its introduction into law for Muslims in Britain, although 37 per cent opposed it. A third of those surveyed supported the creation of a worldwide Muslim caliphate but 25 per cent opposed it and 42 per cent said they were not sure. Half of the students said they would not be supportive of a friend who wanted to leave Islam. Hannah Stuart, from the Centre for Social Cohesion, co-author of the report, said: "These findings are deeply alarming. Students in higher education are the future leaders of their communities yet significant numbers of them appear to hold beliefs which contravene liberal, democratic values. "In addition there are signs of growing religious segregation on campus. These results are deeply embarrassing for those who have said that there is no extremism in British universities." There are 90,000 Muslims among Britain's 2.3 million students in high education and the online survey asked 600 Muslims and 800 non-Muslims for their views on the religion. Radicalisation among students has been a problem since the 1990s, with three of the July 7 bombers having attended university, along with most of the gang which planned a fertilizer bomb attack on the Bluewater shopping centre and the Ministry of Sound night club. Ahmed Omar Sheikh, convicted of the kidnap and murder of the journalist Daniel Pearl, was a former student at LSE and Waseem Mughal, convicted of running a website for al-Qaeda in Iraq, was a former biochemistry student at Leicester University. Mughal was a member of the university Islamic society, and the fertilizer bomber Jawad Akbar attended Islamic society meetings at Brunel University, while Yassin Nassari, convicted of smuggling plans for a Qassam rocket into Britain, was president of the University of Westminster's Islamic society at its Harrow campus in Northwest London. The Government has attempted to encourage lecturers to report students they suspect of radical behaviour but the University and College Union has refused to do so. A quarter of those surveyed were members of their Islamic society – compared with six per cent for other faiths - but only a third said the societies promoted interfaith activities. Over a third of students said they used the campus prayer room regularly and 42 per cent said they regularly attended Friday prayers, although only a small proportion attending prayers were female. None of the students admitted to being gay or lesbian and 25 per cent said they had little or no respect for others who were. When it came to wearing the hijab or headscarf, 59 per cent said it was important, with more women than men agreeing, but 31 per cent said it was not and 10 per cent said they were not sure, with more men than women being uncertain. A quarter of students said men and women were not equal in the eyes of Allah and seven per cent were not sure, with more women than men feeling unequal. By contrast 76 per cent of non-muslim believed that men and women were not equal in Islam. Nearly half of women and 36 per cent of men believe that the "free mixing" of sexes is not acceptable, while nine per cent of women and 17 per cent of men are unsure. Despite their adherence to religion it did not stop most Muslim from mixing with other religions – 37 per cent said they had friends at university from all sorts of different backgrounds and 38 per cent said religion was not an issue when choosing friends and only eight per cent said most of their friends at university were Muslim. More than two thirds of the students said Islam was compatible with the Western notion of democracy, and only 13 per cent said it was not, although 19 per cent were not sure. Half of non-Muslim students thought the two were incompatible. Three quarters of the students also said that it is possible to be both Muslim and British equally, although only three per cent said being British came first. Nearly half said they were not bothered whether they married a British partner or not. On the other hand 57 per cent of the students said Muslims serving in the armed forces should have the right to opt out of the army if they are required to fight in Muslim countries and 25 per cent said they were not sure. The National Union of Students said: "We know there is concern about the serious issue of violent extremism on campus, but there is a wealth of evidence to show that this is not widespread. This report actually undermines cohesion and the joint efforts of students, institutions and government in tackling violent extremism."

[Ram]

:giggle:

[Rajiv]

Yup, need to get laid asap..else free time can get to them

[THX_1138]

The problem with islam is the chicks... not enough skin. if all you can see of the locale babe is her eyes, you have way too much time thinking about how the white man is screwing you as opposed to making love to your fist with quality lube and a bag of tissues imaging the low hem line of the same babe when she is dressed in something a lot more "weather suitable". instead of dropping bombs, we oughta drop some good porn over the middle east and soon enough, our problems with these idiots would disappear.

[sandtest]

At least UK is thousand times better than India in this case that they are carrying out such studies and publishing it openly in mainstream media to educate masses, this actually helps in some way in getting rid of radicalization among British Muslims. I can only imagine what furore and anger will follow in India when such studies are conducted to know the psyche of Indian Muslims. Forget publishing, the government which will think of conducting such excercise will be termed as oppressive, communal and all those p-sec favorite proverbs. And Muslims themselves will protray as being victimized.....Islamists in India due to decades of vote bank politics and minority appeasement and brain washing by p-secs, have totally lost the sense to distinguish what is good or bad for them.

[Guest dada_rocks]

33% are those who have attitude of devil may care.. if u include those who like not to be viewed badly hence lie in polls then the number would be mugh greater

[kumble_rocks]

At least UK is thousand times better than India in this case that they are carrying out such studies and publishing it openly in mainstream media to educate masses, this actually helps in some way in getting rid of radicalization among British Muslims. I can only imagine what furore and anger will follow in India when such studies are conducted to know the psyche of Indian Muslims. Forget publishing, the government which will think of conducting such excercise will be termed as oppressive, communal and all those p-sec favorite proverbs. And Muslims themselves will protray as being victimized.....Islamists in India due to decades of vote bank politics and minority appeasement and brain washing by p-secs, have totally lost the sense to distinguish what is good or bad for them.

You got to be kidding me . Britain was one of the worst PSEC countries before london bombing . British Muslims are certainly brainwashed to a large extent by the local Madrassas which were free to spew hate against Britain , heck they had tonnes of Shah Imam kind nutjobs who openly preached Jihad against britain. Case in point the one eyed Sheikh who was on welfare and used to preach Jihad ... Only now , they have cleaned up their act ... One glaring fact which is damning and which I am sure some Muslims in Britain own up to is the fact that Indians from other communities have performed far better in terms of education , wealth , life style ,crime and other socio-economic indicators etc than their muslim peers especially from Pakistan . And most of them started with the same immigrant disadvantage few generations ago....

[Guest dada_rocks]

You got to be kidding me . Britain was one of the worst PSEC countries before london bombing . British Muslims are certainly brainwashed to a large extent by the local Madrassas which were free to spew hate against Britain ' date=' heck they had tonnes of Shah Imam kind nutjobs who openly preached Jihad against britain. Case in point the one eyed Sheikh who was on welfare and used to preach Jihad ... Only now , they have cleaned up their act ... One glaring fact which is damning and which I am sure some Muslims in Britain own up to is the fact that Indians from other communities have performed far better in terms of education , wealth , life style ,crime and other socio-economic indicators etc than their muslim peers especially from Pakistan . And most of them started with the same immigrant disadvantage few generations ago....[/quote'] His only contention is India is worse than Britain he is not trying to say Britain is USa where jihadis are on the run.. just relative picture.. they do publish these uncomfortable truth in their media in India we are scared to do even that..

[THX_1138]

At least UK is thousand times better than India in this case that they are carrying out such studies and publishing it openly in mainstream media to educate masses, this actually helps in some way in getting rid of radicalization among British Muslims. I can only imagine what furore and anger will follow in India when such studies are conducted to know the psyche of Indian Muslims. Forget publishing, the government which will think of conducting such exercise will be termed as oppressive, communal and all those p-sec favorite proverbs. And Muslims themselves will protray as being victimized.....Islamists in India due to decades of vote bank politics and minority appeasement and brain washing by p-secs, have totally lost the sense to distinguish what is good or bad for them.

i am quite certain that the numbers are not that high in india. in parts because the muslim population of pakistan is predominantly from mirpur region. the community suffers from low literacy, high unemployment and add to this mix a number of overwhelmingly hostile madrassas, and you have a community that is hostile to both state and other communities. lets be honest, the muslim population in the united kingdom, especially that originating from pakistan and pok, is incredibly hostile to something even as innocous as the rain. moreover, as their economic status detiorates, their hostility is only going to increase. this is the great paranoia of islam. their religion pronounces them as the "choosen ones" or furthermore, as the "true believers"; and yet when they turn to their contemporaries, the so called non believers, the heathen, and notice that its the heathens who have the economic and social control of the world, there is no end to their ignominy. and this translates into greater anger and hostility.

[THX_1138]

At least UK is thousand times better than India in this case that they are carrying out such studies and publishing it openly in mainstream media to educate masses, this actually helps in some way in getting rid of radicalization among British Muslims. I can only imagine what furore and anger will follow in India when such studies are conducted to know the psyche of Indian Muslims. Forget publishing, the government which will think of conducting such excercise will be termed as oppressive, communal and all those p-sec favorite proverbs. And Muslims themselves will protray as being victimized.....Islamists in India due to decades of vote bank politics and minority appeasement and brain washing by p-secs, have totally lost the sense to distinguish what is good or bad for them.

the survey is conducted by independent agencies. find one to do so in india, and then there is no regulation under which the government can stop cnn or zee news from publishing those results. the truth is that outside parts of kashmir, the muslim population, how so ever marginalized is not a security threat and openly hostile to the nation as is the condition in england.

[Texy]

this is quite alarming....another 7/7 in making I have also read somewhere, many young british muslim guys are encouraged to use their looks to attract non muslim girls and bring to the folds of Islam. I'm serious!

[Desi Cartman]

the survey is conducted by independent agencies. find one to do so in india' date=' and then there is no regulation under which the government can stop cnn or zee news from publishing those results. [b']the truth is that outside parts of kashmir, the muslim population, how so ever marginalized is not a security threat and openly hostile to the nation as is the condition in england.

100% agree with your post THX.

[THX_1138]

this is quite alarming....another 7/7 in making I have also read somewhere, many young british muslim guys are encouraged to use their looks to attract non muslim girls and bring to the folds of Islam. I'm serious!

not true... you have to conceed that some of these blokes are good looking... characteristically tall, well groomed (well most times), and they spend a lot of time on their personal appearances rather than well... reading. its true everywhere. in my experience as a teacher, most of the juniors in mechanical engineering and physics are of asian decent. a good one half of these asian students are pakistani and indian. of these, while all the pakistani students are quite distinguished in their appearnaces, their grades are floundering. and you would think that someone in the third year of their undergraduate would tighten up their act, but alas. its a thing about emphasis in life. msot indians are academically proficient, and thus, the ladies are often attracted to the better looking pakistani students... who well are poor providers.

[cowboysfan]

islam is religion which is so perverted from its roots that I fear its going to cause the next great war-I just hope most of us survive it.

[Desi Cartman]

islam is religion which is so perverted from its roots that I fear its going to cause the next great war-I just hope most of us survive it.

I disagree , its not islam but the followers. There are many Hindus ready to fight for a stupid cause while holding trishul in their hands. Does it mean that hinuism is perverted from its roots ?

[cowboysfan]

I disagree ' date=' its not islam but the followers. There are many Hindus ready to fight for a stupid cause while holding trishul in their hands. Does it mean that hinuism is perverted from its roots ?[/quote'] I dont see any hindus blowing themselves up killing women ,children and innocent bystanders.As long as the majority of the muslims stay silent while these terrorists kill innocents in there name then in my book they and their religion is culpable.

[Desi Cartman]

I dont see any hindus blowing themselves up killing women ' date='children and innocent bystanders.As long as the majority of the muslims stay silent while these terrorists kill innocents in there name then in my book they and their religion is culpable.[/quote'] when 30 hindus died there was a massacre in Gujarat right ? See my point is that an average Muslim is as good/bad as an average hindu. No one is saint here. All religions preach humanity and peace But I do agree that a lot desi muslims are going the wrong way.

[cowboysfan]

when 30 hindus died there was a massacre in Gujarat right ? See my point is that an average Muslim is as good/bad as an average hindu. No one is saint here. All religions preach humanity and peace But I do agree that a lot desi muslims are going the wrong way.

I disagree again.a average hindu does not think his religion is better than all the others where as muslims are extremely intolerant towards other religions to the point of annihilation of other religions.your frame of reference is muslims in India and they are a minority in India.

[Desi Cartman]

I disagree again.a average hindu does not think his religion is better than all the others where as muslims are extremely intolerant towards other religions to the point of annihilation of other religions.your frame of reference is muslims in India and they are a minority in India.

I only know muslims personally in India :icflove: maybe I picked the wrong thread since the OP is about british Muslims. I have had many friends who followed other religions and I am yet to know one who would do anything to hurt another Indian at this level.

[cowboysfan]

I only know muslims personally in India :icflove: maybe I picked the wrong thread since the OP is about british Muslims. I have had many friends who followed other religions and I am yet to know one who would do anything to hurt another Indian at this level.

exactly-muslims in India know what living in freedom means but unfortunately they are remaining silent on the terrorism.Britain knows whats happening with their muslim population now -believe me.They will not have something like the rule of law stand in the way of protecting their population.