CSK Fan Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 Not talking about big 100s here. Just meaningful scores in the context of the game. A 50 or a 60 could become match winning' date=' but I dont see it coming in the 2nd innings however. I would be glad to be proved wrong though. Let's get realistic here and accept the fact that age has caught up with them. They just need to go out gracefully, i.e., make the Aus series their farewell series.[/quote'] 2 series before, just 2 series before he scored 2 150s vs Aus in Australia! so he became old after that? Even Ponting did NOT score a 50 for more than 10 matches recently,! Against SA, he played just one match. Here he is coming after an injury lay off.
putrevus Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 the day BCCI feel he isn't upto it' date=' he will be informed about it[/quote'] no that is problem , his status in indian cricket is such he will not be told to leave, there are only three cricketers in India whose place in the team was never questioned by anyone. Sunny , kapil and Sachin, Sunny left while still on top , kapil craved for the record and was persisted in the team till he got that milestone even though it hurt Indian team and Srinath in particular, he couldnt play in team till kapil left the scene. The Same is with Sachin now,it seems like he following Kapils path rather than Sunny's.
DomainK Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 Not talking about big 100s here. Just meaningful scores in the context of the game. A 50 or a 60 could become match winning' date=' but I dont see it coming in the 2nd innings however. I would be glad to be proved wrong though. Let's get realistic here and accept the fact that age has caught up with them. They just need to go out gracefully, i.e., make the Aus series their farewell series.[/quote'] How come age has caught up with him given the way he batted in Australia in both tests and ODIs? How far back was that? A decade? Five years? No, just a few months.
DomainK Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 no that is problem , his status in indian cricket is such he will not be told to leave, there are only three cricketers in India whose place in the team was never questioned by anyone. Sunny , kapil and Sachin, Sunny left while still on top , kapil craved for the record and was persisted in the team till he got that milestone even though it hurt Indian team and Srinath in particular, he couldnt play in team till kapil left the scene. The Same is with Sachin now,it seems like he following Kapils path rather than Sunny's. And why should he leave?
CSK Fan Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 no that is problem , his status in indian cricket is such he will not be told to leave, there are only three cricketers in India whose place in the team was never questioned by anyone. Sunny , kapil and Sachin, Sunny left while still on top , kapil craved for the record and was persisted in the team till he got that milestone even though it hurt Indian team and Srinath in particular, he couldnt play in team till kapil left the scene. The Same is with Sachin now,it seems like he following Kapils path rather than Sunny's. For the last time.... read carefully so that even you cna understand the day Sachin averages less than 40, he will retire or be dropped! Dravid had NOT been performing for the last 2 years, yet he is in the team Can you tell me WHY Sachin should be dropped, even though he averages >50 in the last 2 years? The only reason you want him to be dropped is because you FEEL like it. unfortunatley, thats not valid reason for BCCI or any sane fan
gs Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 When you've performed as much as he has, you're allowed a few more failures Its just the way things are In a company if someone who has been working there for many years and they made a mistake and there was someone else who joined the company and they made a mistake its more likely the n00b will take the punishment anyways read my sig, it says it all Agree, but layoffs, offshoring, golden parachutes etc. exist dont they?!? SRT being who he is has offered all Indians a lot of joy in the past, but aging happens! 3 top batsmen struggling at the same time is something that India can ill afford. What makes it worse is that they dont face any heat for this at all. Why is there no accountability?!? Have a Badri/Raina/Kohli/Rohit whoever doesnt matter since the bar is really low here on standby, maybe as probables for the Aus series. Hold their feet to fire and let them hang on to their spot based on merit.
Sachinism Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 no that is problem , his status in indian cricket is such he will not be told to leave, there are only three cricketers in India whose place in the team was never questioned by anyone. Sunny , kapil and Sachin, Sunny left while still on top , kapil craved for the record and was persisted in the team till he got that milestone even though it hurt Indian team and Srinath in particular, he couldnt play in team till kapil left the scene. The Same is with Sachin now,it seems like he following Kapils path rather than Sunny's. we'll you're part of a few who believe Sachin is past it I don't believe that and the BCCI don't believe that and the majority of real fans don't believe that so i guess all you can do is complain about it
gs Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 How come age has caught up with him given the way he batted in Australia in both tests and ODIs? How far back was that? A decade? Five years? No' date=' just a few months.[/quote'] I admit that was a fabulous series for him. That's the class of the man. Bring a former retired great like a Lara/S.Waugh/Warne back and they will still perform. But the frequency of such performances will become far and few. SRT is undeniably approaching the twilight of his career and he should decide if wants to go out as a great, or drag it on like Kapil Dev did. :hatsoff:
CSK Fan Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 Agree' date=' but layoffs, offshoring, golden parachutes etc. exist dont they?!? SRT being who he is has offered all Indians a lot of joy in the past, but aging happens! 3 top batsmen struggling at the same time is something that India can ill afford. What makes it worse is that they dont face any heat for this at all. Why is there no accountability?!? Have a Badri/Raina/Kohli/Rohit whoever doesnt matter since the bar is really low here on standby, maybe as probables for the Aus series. Hold their feet to fire and let them hang on to their spot based on merit.[/quote'] Maybe because BCCI and anyone with cricket know;ledge do not base judgement on "the last 5 inings"? Tell me why, a professional cricket board like Australia, did not drop Ricky Ponting after the following? here's Ricky Ponting's run between 2007-2008 31, 4, 3, 55, 1 20, 45. 7 innings, 1 fifty. Why wasnt he dropped? also, his last 5 innings 5, 65, 38, 18, 39 I will ask you the same question you asked me. Why no calls to drop Ponting. Why diff treatment to this player? Is it becuase he si different?Or is it because Aus fans are more sane?
DomainK Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 I admit that was a fabulous series for him. That's the class of the man. Bring a former retired great like a Lara/S.Waugh/Warne back and they will still perform. But the frequency of such performances will become far and few. SRT is undeniably approaching the twilight of his career and he should decide if wants to go out as a great' date=' or drag it on like Kapil Dev did. :hatsoff:[/quote'] So why dont you leave that to the great man to decide. Lara, Waugh and Warne didnt play international cricket at 16. Sachin did. So if he thinks he can play for a few more years, we should just trust him....especially given that he is performing.
putrevus Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 For the last time.... read carefully so that even you cna understand the day Sachin averages less than 40, he will retire or be dropped! Dravid had NOT been performing for the last 2 years, yet he is in the team Can you tell me WHY Sachin should be dropped, even though he averages >50 in the last 2 years? The only reason you want him to be dropped is because you FEEL like it. unfortunatley, thats not valid reason for BCCI or any sane fan you read carefully sachin got enough chances , his avg was 24 in 2006 still he got his chances if not for bangladesh series his avg in 2007 would be in lot lower than 55 and his 2008 avg is 45 and dropping let us see where he will end up, odi series is also coming it will prove if he done are not so dont show me his avg to state his point.
CSK Fan Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 I admit that was a fabulous series for him. That's the class of the man. Bring a former retired great like a Lara/S.Waugh/Warne back and they will still perform. But the frequency of such performances will become far and few. SRT is undeniably approaching the twilight of his career and he should decide if wants to go out as a great' date=' or drag it on like Kapil Dev did. :hatsoff:[/quote'] i showed you Pontings last 5 innings and they are very much like Sahcin. In fact in the last 10 inning shtey have similar average. So who decides whi is in the twilight and who not?
The_Black_Prince Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 Here's the bottom line, folks. P. Sachin always buckles when the Pressure is On........like now in Sri Lanka ! It must be a psychological flaw in his make-up. Can anyone remember when was the last time P. Sachin made 100 in the 4th innings of a test match ??
DomainK Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 Here's the bottom line, folks. P. Sachin always buckles when the Pressure is On........like now in Sri Lanka ! It must be a psychological flaw in his make-up. Can anyone remember when was the last time P. Sachin made 100 in the 4th innings of a test match ?? No, thats not the bottom line, thats your line and you are saying that because you are losing the argument. And the name is not P. Sancin, Its SR Tendulkar. I know what you are indicating by P. Its not a good thing. Name calling is loser's job. Dont be a loser. You dont have to disrespect a player to make your point.
The_Black_Prince Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 BTW, could someone tell Sachin to check out ICF seeing that he has so much time on his hands sitting in the pavilion ??
putrevus Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 Maybe because BCCI and anyone with cricket know;ledge do not base judgement on "the last 5 inings"? Tell me why, a professional cricket board like Australia, did not drop Ricky Ponting after the following? here's Ricky Ponting's run between 2007-2008 31, 4, 3, 55, 1 20, 45. 7 innings, 1 fifty. Why wasnt he dropped? also, his last 5 innings 5, 65, 38, 18, 39 I will ask you the same question you asked me. Why no calls to drop Ponting. Why diff treatment to this player? Is it becuase he si different?Or is it because Aus fans are more sane? you conveniently forgot his two centuries in that span , his avg is in 2008 is 55.00 you bet if does what sachin has done in last four years he wouldnt be there anymore.
gs Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 Maybe because BCCI and anyone with cricket know;ledge do not base judgement on "the last 5 inings"? Tell me why, a professional cricket board like Australia, did not drop Ricky Ponting after the following? here's Ricky Ponting's run between 2007-2008 31, 4, 3, 55, 1 20, 45. 7 innings, 1 fifty. Why wasnt he dropped? also, his last 5 innings 5, 65, 38, 18, 39 I will ask you the same question you asked me. Why no calls to drop Ponting. Why diff treatment to this player? Is it becuase he si different?Or is it because Aus fans are more sane? Aussies are a far more professional unit and ACB is far better than BCCI on all accounts. When the team is performing well, it can afford to carry some off-color players. But with 3 topguns failing at the same time, can India afford this luxury? Is asking for accountability once in a while too much?!? Regarding sanity of the fans, its a very subjective topic and each fan thinks he is right.
The_Black_Prince Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 I would really like someone to find the answer to this burning question - Can anyone remember when was the last time P. Sachin made 100 in the 4th innings of a test match ?? Also, we need to get Idle Time Sachin on ICF ASAP !
Sachinism Posted August 8, 2008 Posted August 8, 2008 The Black Prince who do you feel deserves a spot in the Indian team (out of the players that are there and up and coming players) who along with sachin should be dropped?
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