fineleg Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 India were truly (not just per 'claims') fantastic players of spin bowling. Whats gotten into the newbies? (I am leaving the Fab-4 out of this discussion, they are good players of spin, woefully out of form currently, but otherwise they are very good players of spin) Why are all the newbies struggling against quality spin bowling!? India the land of batsmen who played superbly against spinners now struggling!?? :omg: Have we just lost the art of milking and lofting the spinners!? Dancing down the track, and putting the spinners where they belong - out on the rooftops of spectators or glanced or swept fine along the ground, or cut fiercely! A Ravi Shastri did it while batting, a Navjot Sidhu did it, a Gavaskar , a Jimmy Amarnath, a Vengsarkar, a Tendu/SG/VVS/RD, Azhar, Cheeka, Sandeep Patil...the list goes on and on G. Vishwanath C'mon - you Rohits, Badris, Kohlis, Rainas, Yuvis, etc. Do it!
Chaos Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 bs ****, dont include bradi cuz he didnt even play ONCE. These idiots dont know how to use good talent but they know how to use hyped up players like stupid rohit
jf1gp_1 Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 why is it so surprising we lack quality spinners in domestic cricket , Mr once-in-a-blue-moon good for nothing bhaji is leading our spin attack and he doesnt even play domestic cricket, shows the kind of spin bowling our young batsman get to face.
punjabi_khota Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 India were truly (not just per 'claims') fantastic players of spin bowling. Whats gotten into the newbies? (I am leaving the Fab-4 out of this discussion, they are good players of spin, woefully out of form currently, but otherwise they are very good players of spin) Why are all the newbies struggling against quality spin bowling!? India the land of batsmen who played superbly against spinners now struggling!?? :omg: Have we just lost the art of milking and lofting the spinners!? Dancing down the track, and putting the spinners where they belong - out on the rooftops of spectators or glanced or swept fine along the ground, or cut fiercely! A Ravi Shastri did it while batting, a Navjot Sidhu did it, a Gavaskar , a Jimmy Amarnath, a Vengsarkar, a Tendu/SG/VVS/RD, Azhar, Cheeka, Sandeep Patil...the list goes on and on G. Vishwanath C'mon - you Rohits, Badris, Kohlis, Rainas, Yuvis, etc. Do it! Rohit..was out to a medium pacer. So was Kohli. So was Raina. Yuvi was the only one among them out to spin, but that as you say, was expected. Dhoni struggled too. Point being, it is not just the spin that is troubling them, and to say newbies are struggling against spin is OTT. Give them some time, and we will see. And to say the Flab 4 just happen to be in bad form, and otherwise would have milked M&M is being too soft on them.
bharat297 Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 Murali isn't exactly a classical off spinner either ... lol I dont see any country playing these 2 in Lanka with ease.
DadaRocks Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 For some reason Pak have always done well in SL...
punjabi_khota Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 For some reason Pak have always done well in SL... and always bad in Aus. Make that very bad.No, very very very bad. Laughing bad. Not winning a single test in 15(more?) years or so bad. Yeah, laughingly bad.
Predator_05 Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 For some reason Pak have always done well in SL... and SL have always done well in PAK.
DadaRocks Posted August 18, 2008 Posted August 18, 2008 and SL have always done well in PAK. yah...WC win, Asia cup win & 2004 Tri series win plus test series when Jayasuriya scored double century...SL will be fav for CT if it stays in Pak.
Predator_05 Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 yah...WC win' date=' Asia cup win & 2004 Tri series win plus test series when Jayasuriya scored double century...SL will be fav for CT if it stays in Pak.[/quote'] PAK hasn't beaten SL in a test series at home since '92. And don't forget the 2002 Asian Test Championship
cowboysfan Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 very good topic fineleg and this has pertubed me too-It is really surirising to see our batmen fail to pick a spinner-I think Kirsten has to take some blame in this has the problem is not showing of abating any time soon.I must say Kirsten has been a disaster so far-hope it changes in the next series.
fineleg Posted August 19, 2008 Author Posted August 19, 2008 There is so little info on what if anything Gary Kirsten is doing to fix our batting woes. (He may be unavail currently, but did he work with the team after Asia Cup fiasco?)
Chandan Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Why don't you all understand that Mendis is a revolutionary spinner, a freak, who is finger spinner as well as a wrist spinner along with a unique delivery which is his carrom ball. On top of all this, he is extremely accurate too. When Saqlain had come up with one revolutionary delivery, ie the 'doosra' he was an instant success. Of course he used it cunningly and accurately and that played a part too. Why can't we give credit where it is due that Mendis is a very good bowler and will trouble every country, even on flat tracks as he doesn't need to turn his deliveries a great deal. It is just a coincidence that India was the first country to destroyed by him. We'll see him doing it to the rest of the world too.
Desi Cartman Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 chandan, you are right about Mendis , but in the last ODI Indians failed against pace as well.We have a very inexperienced side on this tour but im sure that they will improve in the 2nd game.
Chandan Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 chandan, you are right about Mendis , but in the last ODI Indians failed against pace as well.We have a very inexperienced side on this tour but im sure that they will improve in the 2nd game. It is quite foolish on our part to expect these youngsters to succeed in each and every tournament. We are just grooming them and it is a given fact that they'll keep getting better with experiences. However the thread was about spinners and Indian batsmen's performance against it. That is why I wrote only on spinners.
fineleg Posted August 19, 2008 Author Posted August 19, 2008 chandan, you are right about Mendis , but in the last ODI Indians failed against pace as well.We have a very inexperienced side on this tour but im sure that they will improve in the 2nd game. You expecting her to criticize the players :D On a more serious note, chandan - Hope u watched the match. This was not because of some stupendously great bowling that we got out. It was mediocre batting (rather listless batting) we got out too.
yoda Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 I blame the BCCI for not preparing these youngsters.
Chandan Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 You expecting her to criticize the players :D On a more serious note, chandan - Hope u watched the match. This was not because of some stupendously great bowling that we got out. It was mediocre batting (rather listless batting) we got out too. I know. But it this thread to analyse the failure of Indian players in the 1st ODI or their failure in general against spin bowling in this series? I think you yourself are confused. And you need to read my posts a bit more closely to see if I criricise the players or not. The only difference is that I do not go nuts either while praising anyone or criticising anyone. But it seems people understand only over-reaction here!!
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