Pakistan Hotel bomb== inside job??

[Texy]

Let's look at this.... increasing terrorism in India with help from ISI has pakistan on the radar....Pak troops fired across LOC several times to cover for militants passing thru and Jammu became hostage where 7 ppl were killed by these a**holes...then blast in delhi and elsewhere. Target: Marriot hotel where foreigners/non muslims mostly stay from the video footage, one can clearly see the target was to ram the gates and blow up near the hotel lobby which would have caused 3 times more casualty. Guards stopped the truck then the video shows attacker blowing himself up and few mins later the truck blew up due to the fire. (If the truck was being driven by 1 person the driver himself who is a suicide bomber...why didn't guards shoot him in the head so that he can't blow himself up??) May be this was done by ISI to make pakistan look like a victim while at the same time giving shelter to terrorists and underworld dons and manufacturing more jihadis for India. Right now the world is feeling sympathy for Pakistan and may be this is what they wanted? America's sympathy = America's continuing support for Pakistan's economy = blank checks to fight war on "terror" = more funding for kashmiri jihadis and other terrorists hitting India for next 5 years.

[King Tendulkar]

The pak govt and ISI have encouraged, funded and trained terrorists/murderers for decades to attack Inida. Now these terrorists/murderes can't be controlled and are attacking their master. Its like grooming and traing a bunch of murderes. Eventually these loonies will then go after you. Can't control nutters. Unfortunatley for people in pak dyinng to those murderes, it has to be said. You reap what you sow! Pak govt and people have supported nuttters and developed them. Now predictably those nutters are coming back to hit them.

[Texy]

most pakistanis are blaming talibans at the moment (before they were blaming americans and indians and jews) I don't think Talibans have the capability of taking a truck full of 1000 kg of explosives and blow up a hotel. The fact that the truck went unchecked in an area where there is security everywhere! The fact that these crazy a**holes are crazy enough to kill muslims in order to harm few americans and other non muslim personnel. I do feel bad for innocent ppl dying but what you reap is what you sow... the whole country is based on fundamental islam there is absolutely no tolerance towards other religions the way their army massacred millions of ppl in '71

[mhr123]

The fact that these crazy a**holes are crazy enough to kill muslims in order to harm few americans and other non muslim personnel.

u r right and i agree with u ... some of them have gone insane .

I do feel bad for innocent ppl dying but what you reap is what you sow... the whole country is based on fundamental islam there is absolutely no tolerance towards other religions the way their army massacred millions of ppl in '71

if they were fundamentalist i am sure they wouldn't have done this act .. because fundamental of Islam is against killing of innocent.These are all political gimmick,nothing to do with Islam and so called there new way of Jihad.All these are funded by for the chair ... these are all games. Hmm what does Islam says abt Killing of innocent... If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole mankind: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole mankind. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)" In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty honors all the innocent souls that He created. Killing any innocent soul is so hated by Allah Almighty that He considers it as a crime against all of Mankind. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)" In this Noble Verse, we clearly see Allah Almighty ordering us, the Muslims, to incline toward peace when the enemy inclines toward peace. This proves that Islam is not a religion for wars, but for peace. "God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)" "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)" "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)" "Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)" Compulsion is incompatible with religion: Because (1) religion depends upon faith and will, and these would be meaningless by force; (2) Truth and Error have been so clearly shown up by the mercy of Allah Almighty that there should be no doubt in the minds of any persons of good will as to the fundamentals of faith; (3) Allah Almighty's protection is continuous, and His Plan is always to lead us from the depths of darkness into the clearest light.

[Ram]

40 innocent civilians are dead, including the Czech Ambassador to Pakistan. Scores are injured. The Pakistani leadership, including the President, Prime Minister were to have dined at the very same hotel, that night. Pakistan's reputation lies in shambles. And you call it an inside-job? I think its a grave disrespect to the lives of the people who died, to allege that their life was taken away from them for the sake of some political drama.

[punjabi_khota]

u r right and i agree with u ... some of them have gone insane . if they were fundamentalist i am sure they wouldn't have done this act .. because fundamental of Islam is against killing of innocent.These are all political gimmick,nothing to do with Islam and so called there new way of Jihad.All these are funded by for the chair ... these are all games. Hmm what does Islam says abt Killing of innocent... If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole mankind: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole mankind. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)" In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty honors all the innocent souls that He created. Killing any innocent soul is so hated by Allah Almighty that He considers it as a crime against all of Mankind. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)" In this Noble Verse, we clearly see Allah Almighty ordering us, the Muslims, to incline toward peace when the enemy inclines toward peace. This proves that Islam is not a religion for wars, but for peace. "God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)" "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)" "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)" "Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)" Compulsion is incompatible with religion: Because (1) religion depends upon faith and will, and these would be meaningless by force; (2) Truth and Error have been so clearly shown up by the mercy of Allah Almighty that there should be no doubt in the minds of any persons of good will as to the fundamentals of faith; (3) Allah Almighty's protection is continuous, and His Plan is always to lead us from the depths of darkness into the clearest light.

Blah Blah Blah...preach them sir, we are not the ones blowing up buildings.

[f.b.m]

I dont think that it was an inside job. However, its possible that sympathisers and supporters working in the government were involved.

[Kriterion]

Blah Blah Blah...preach them sir' date=' we are not the ones blowing up buildings.[/quote'] true, but you interpret the same scripture in the same way, indicating some level of similarity (at least at a neuronal level) with those who do. as for it being based on religion...anyone notice the religion of the majority of victims. its based on a warped idea of religion in conjunction with environmental factors. the same things exist everywhere to varying degrees.

[punjabi_khota]

true' date=' but you interpret the same scripture in the same way, indicating some level of similarity (at least at a neuronal level) with those who do.[/quote'] I was never arsed enough to read the holy books of any religion.

[DomainK]

Let's look at this.... increasing terrorism in India with help from ISI has pakistan on the radar....Pak troops fired across LOC several times to cover for militants passing thru and Jammu became hostage where 7 ppl were killed by these a**holes...then blast in delhi and elsewhere. Target: Marriot hotel where foreigners/non muslims mostly stay from the video footage, one can clearly see the target was to ram the gates and blow up near the hotel lobby which would have caused 3 times more casualty. Guards stopped the truck then the video shows attacker blowing himself up and few mins later the truck blew up due to the fire. (If the truck was being driven by 1 person the driver himself who is a suicide bomber...why didn't guards shoot him in the head so that he can't blow himself up??) May be this was done by ISI to make pakistan look like a victim while at the same time giving shelter to terrorists and underworld dons and manufacturing more jihadis for India. Right now the world is feeling sympathy for Pakistan and may be this is what they wanted? America's sympathy = America's continuing support for Pakistan's economy = blank checks to fight war on "terror" = more funding for kashmiri jihadis and other terrorists hitting India for next 5 years.

Speculation, isnt it? What could have happened? Think from a thriller writer's point of view and you will find 100 fantastic possibilities.

[Kohum]

Let's look at this.... increasing terrorism in India with help from ISI has pakistan on the radar....Pak troops fired across LOC several times to cover for militants passing thru and Jammu became hostage where 7 ppl were killed by these a**holes...then blast in delhi and elsewhere. Target: Marriot hotel where foreigners/non muslims mostly stay from the video footage, one can clearly see the target was to ram the gates and blow up near the hotel lobby which would have caused 3 times more casualty. Guards stopped the truck then the video shows attacker blowing himself up and few mins later the truck blew up due to the fire. (If the truck was being driven by 1 person the driver himself who is a suicide bomber...why didn't guards shoot him in the head so that he can't blow himself up??) May be this was done by ISI to make pakistan look like a victim while at the same time giving shelter to terrorists and underworld dons and manufacturing more jihadis for India. Right now the world is feeling sympathy for Pakistan and may be this is what they wanted? America's sympathy = America's continuing support for Pakistan's economy = blank checks to fight war on "terror" = more funding for kashmiri jihadis and other terrorists hitting India for next 5 years.

Hey where did you see the video footage? Any links?

[punjabi_khota]

true, but you interpret the same scripture in the same way, indicating some level of similarity (at least at a neuronal level) with those who do. as for it being based on religion...anyone notice the religion of the majority of victims. its based on a warped idea of religion in conjunction with environmental factors. the same things exist everywhere to varying degrees.

Either whole lot of Muslims are illiterate dumb****s who get carried away by this warped idea of religion, or there is something intrinsically problematic in this religion or there are some really intelligent but evil people who are using it for their own ends. Or maybe it is just a combination of all these factors. The fact that there is a problem everywhere a critical mass of Muslims end up making home, makes it evident that environmental factors are not so important.

[Texy]

ORIGINAL CCTV footage xYZnZvMx9PA OH and to respond to MM: From BBC world news : "The owner of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad has denied that Pakistan's top leaders had been due to dine there before Saturday's huge bomb attack. He was responding to comments by interior ministry chief Rehman Malik. Mr Malik said the president, prime minister and military chiefs were going to eat there but changed venue at the last minute." ----- HMMMMMM how did they assemble TNT and RDX so easily and then loaded a truck and went completely unchecked driving thru the city?????? CAN YOU imagine what would have happened if the truck blasted by the lobby???? 400-500 ppl would have died!

[Sachinism]

Fidayeen-e-Islam claims responsibility for Marriott bombing A little known Pakistani militant group, Fidayeen-e-Islam, says it carried out Saturday's devastating attack on the Islamabad Marriott hotel. The group told the BBC the aim of the attack was to stop American interference in Pakistan. The group is based in Pakistan's tribal areas and connected to leading militant Baitullah Mehsud. The BBC Urdu service in Islamabad received a call from the Fidayeen-e-Islam group which gave instructions to call another number. That number played out a recorded message in English. It said the aim of the Marriott attack was to kick "American crusaders" out of Pakistan and stop them interfering in the government, the military, the media, as well as security, religious and other institutions in Pakistan. It also said that some 250 US marines had been killed in the attack, together with many officials from Nato and other countries involved in attacks on Muslim interests in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

[kablooee87]

Condolences to the families of all the victims. Watching that poor security guard trying to extinguish the flame was heart breaking.

[Ram]

OH and to respond to MM: From BBC world news : "The owner of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad has denied that Pakistan's top leaders had been due to dine there before Saturday's huge bomb attack.

Do you think any country will openly accept that their President and PM would have dined in a hotel that would soon become a hapless terror target? Of course they planned to be there. They're trying to save face by denying that plan ever existed in the first place.

[CC1981]

because fundamental of Islam is against killing of innocent.

Bullsheet. Fundamental of Islam is to follow the example of the perfect man- the prophet, who ORDERED the genocide of an entire tribe- men and children and ALL women taken as sex slaves ( Baanu Kurayzaa, look it up). Fundamental of Islam (including the Koran) asks to follow the example of such a man and it is no brainer that Islam's followers have been the biggest perpetrators of genocide in the last 1500 years- more than the crusades and certainly more than anything the world has seen.

In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty honors all the innocent souls that He created. Killing any innocent soul is so hated by Allah Almighty that He considers it as a crime against all of Mankind.

So what did this Allah character do when Mohammed agreed to and gave the final order to slaughter an entire tribe !??? Riiight....sorry, that sheet isnt flying at all.

Compulsion is incompatible with religion:

This is nothing more than the numerous logical and ethical contradictions in the Koran itself : if there is no compulsion in religion, then there is zero basis for jizya, the religious nazi-tax that the moslems levied on non moslems.

Truth and Error have been so clearly shown up by the mercy of Allah Almighty that there should be no doubt in the minds of any persons of good will as to the fundamentals of faith;

can you explain this line a bit better ? makes no sense to me.

Allah Almighty's protection is continuous, and His Plan is always to lead us from the depths of darkness into the clearest light.

hmmm...so lemme get this straight...your Allah character made us...gave us intelligence/cognition. yet he fracks around leaving 'evil temptations' to us and his way of 'leading us from depths of darkness into clearest light' is to send a barbarian who was a paedophile, a genocider and a warlord , who penned one book and then no signs for the next 1500 years...if this is the resume of a supposedly omnipotent being who can do anything, lets just say that i am not impressed...if your pyaare Allah really wanted to lead us all into clearest light,you'd think he'd make us ALL with an inbuilt 'allah is true God' mechanism that would give total religious unity...or he'd leave an unchallengable, non-changing miracle on this planet to remind us of his presence. But no....instead, he chose to leave one crappy book at the hands of one crappy man at the fringes of civilization, who's words have been spread solely through conquest, murder,pillage and raping. if you truely believe that this is the modus operandi of a supposedly all-powerful and all-good being, pass me the herb you are smoking, because it is stronger hallucinogen than anything i've heard of and i'd like to try. Look, i'd suggest you read some of Neitzche, Pascal, Kant, etc. A lot of the Koran's logical fallacies and contradictions in thinking are exposed by these brilliant philosophers from reneissance/enlightenment Europe - even though they used Christianity as the target of their arguments, all the basic arguments ( Allah is merciful/generous, good, no killing of innocents sanctioned, etc etc) is applicable to Islam as well and utterly destroys the founding basis of Islam. Ofcourse, the nazi-mentality of muslim societies means that such books rarely, if ever sees patronage in the Muslim world and i can bet my bottom dollar that you arnt familiar with any of these folks's works that blows big gaping chunks in your religious psychobabble. The works of these brilliant scholars are why Europe lost its obsession with the idiotic concept of religion and why your latest brand of mass delusion ( Islam) is certainly making ZERO progress in Europe outside of immigration and muslims having the propensity of breeding like rats.

[Ram]

Another thread goes down the drain. Sigh... some people never learn.