Texy Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Airs ABC tonight -- OCT 7th, 2008... 8/9 EST Let's do some analysis after the debate
h4te Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 i hope the debate has actual substance, instead of cheap shots from both parties....
Ram Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 I thought McCain did rather well. Obama doesnt seem to have the flamboyance that he has when he gives prepared speeches, when he debates. He appears rather subdued and mellow. McCain was definitely more aggressive than Obama this time around and had him on the backfoot, especially on foreign policy, when he questioned Obama's capability to take sound judgments on important foreign policy issues. If anything, I am certain that Obama deeply regrets saying two things; 1) The surge wont work. 2) If he's elected president, he will have direct presidential level talks with the Iranian president. McCain has repeatedly taken him to task on these two issues and quite frankly, Obama is left searching for answers. This debate had nothing much new from the first one. The two candidates keep saying the same thing, over and over again. But, its amazing to think Obama hasnt been to secure outright victories, given what the republicans have done to America in the last 8 years. If I were Obama, I would tighten my boxing gloves a bit harder the next time and get ready to throw some direct punches. P.S: I am sorta amazed that for a 72 yeasr old, John McCain still has incredible clarity in both thought and speech. Not once did he seem lost on what to say or sound incomprehensible. In my life, I have seen 72 year olds who have almost zero clarity when they speak or in their judgment.
Rajiv Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 MM, are you serious. Obama was like "Time New Roman in 12 Font where I can read clearly, McCain was grumpy and rushed. Americans are worried about Economy and didn't really need the petty attacks from McCain Just turned on the post-Mortem on CNN, they concur
Brainfade Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 MM, are you serious. Obama was like "Time New Roman in 12 Font where I can read clearly, McCain was grumpy and rushed. Americans are worried about Economy and didn't really need the petty attacks from McCain Just turned on the post-Mortem on CNN, they concur The economy - they both voted for the bailout bill. What separates them?
Ram Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 And just when Obama has been crying 'more troops for Afghanistan', the outgoing commander of the British armed forces landed a killer punch today by saying that the 'War in Afghanistan could never be won'... Of course, I still think Obama won the first two debates, but I expected his margin of victories to be more. If anything, McCain seems to have done more homework than Obama. He gives the impression that he went back after the first debate, studied the videos and had better anticipation of what Obama was gonna say next.
Ram Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 MM, are you serious. Obama was like "Time New Roman in 12 Font where I can read clearly, McCain was grumpy and rushed. Americans are worried about Economy and didn't really need the petty attacks from McCain Just turned on the post-Mortem on CNN, they concur Rajeev, I am not saying McCain won. I am saying he was more confident and aggressive than he was last time.
Rajiv Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 The economy - they both voted for the bailout bill. What separates them? What? who would dare "not" to vote, what other option did they have Read my post again, debate didn't need another personal attack, did you hear McCain call him "that one" ? When there is a worried crowd, personal attacks can be avoided
Ram Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 Another couple of things that had Obama on the defensive; 1) His stand that as President, he will directly target Taleban elements within Pakistan, if the Pakistanis seem unwilling and incapable. He's also said that he will 'announce' such an attack before that happens. McCain was like 'You cant speak like that with an ally... Thats massively irresponsible' 2) Obama says he will either reduce or keep same, the tax for 95% Americans. However, as Senator McCain claims he repeatedly voted for tax increases. If I were Obama, I would prepare myself better on these 4 issues next time 1) Surge 2) Talks with Iran 3) Attacking Pakistan 4) Tax cuts.
Brainfade Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 I thought McCain did rather well. Obama doesnt seem to have the flamboyance that he has when he gives prepared speeches, when he debates. He appears rather subdued and mellow. McCain was definitely more aggressive than Obama this time around and had him on the backfoot, especially on foreign policy, when he questioned Obama's capability to take sound judgments on important foreign policy issues. If anything, I am certain that Obama deeply regrets saying two things; 1) The surge wont work. 2) If he's elected president, he will have direct presidential level talks with the Iranian president. McCain has repeatedly taken him to task on these two issues and quite frankly, Obama is left searching for answers. This debate had nothing much new from the first one. The two candidates keep saying the same thing, over and over again. But, its amazing to think Obama hasnt been to secure outright victories, given what the republicans have done to America in the last 8 years. If I were Obama, I would tighten my boxing gloves a bit harder the next time and get ready to throw some direct punches. P.S: I am sorta amazed that for a 72 yeasr old, John McCain still has incredible clarity in both thought and speech. Not once did he seem lost on what to say or sound incomprehensible. In my life, I have seen 72 year olds who have almost zero clarity when they speak or in their judgment. If Obama threw direct punches on the economy, there's enough material for counter-punches: (a) Frank Raines - Obama's advisor - who was Fannie Mae's CEO, but quit in the wake of a $ 6 billion accounting scandal (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/15/AR2008071502827.html?sid=ST2008071503047&s_pos&s_pos=) (b) The fact that the economic slide was precipitated by the housing collapse, which began with the Democrats forcing sub-prime lending in 1999 - I have posted links elsewhere. © McCain actually bringing attention to the problem in 2005, but the administration shooing him away as a naysayer. (d) Obama has voted YES on EVERY spending bill in the Senate in his 2 years there. But, Obama has done a masterful job of pulling the wool over people's eyes, saying that McCain represents Bush. Expect nothing different for the next 8 years. If the economy recovers - "I voted for the bailout." If it does not - "The Republicans voted for it."
Brainfade Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 What? who would dare "not" to vote, what other option did they have Read my post again, debate didn't need another personal attack, did you hear McCain call him "that one" ? When there is a worried crowd, personal attacks can be avoided You didn't answer my question about the economy. You said people are worried about the economy more than anything else. If that is true, they both represent the same side of the economic coin. So, why choose one over the other?
Rajiv Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 Looking forward for the next one at Hofstra Uni ( I studied there for 1 moth ) back in 1992
Desi Cartman Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 Looking forward for the next one at Hofstra Uni ( I studied there for 1 moth ) back in 1992 1992 ,,,, wow .. U must be as old as Sarah Palin :fishing::fishing::fishing:
Brainfade Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 Also, did you guys see the ridiculous statement that Sarah Palin made with regard to offshore drilling? She just said: "I believe in the need for increased oil production. We're going to have to explore new ways to get more oil, and that includes offshore drilling." How can she even begin to think that production is a solution?
Rajiv Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 You didn't answer my question about the economy. You said people are worried about the economy more than anything else. If that is true' date=' they both represent the same side of the economic coin. So, why choose one over the other?[/quote'] There's no magic 8 ball to fix this, no one does; they got a proposal for a bail out to get the ball rolling, a coin always has 2 sides My point was - talk, debate but don't throw in personal attacks ( at least do it diplomatically )
Brainfade Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 There's no magic 8 ball to fix this, no one does; they got a proposal for a bail out to get the ball rolling, a coin always has 2 sides My point was - talk, debate but don't throw in personal attacks ( at least do it diplomatically ) Got it. Agreed. That was a stupid moment for McCain. Another hole in his sinking ship.
Rajiv Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 1992 ' date=',,, wow .. U must be as old as Sarah Palin :fishing::fishing::fishing:[/quote'] I was only 18:omg: ( i left the uni to back to India to be with my gf ) dont ask what happened when I went back
Desi Cartman Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 I was only 18:omg: ( i left the uni to back to India to be with my gf ) dont ask what happened when I went back Kela ?
punjabi_khota Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 I thought McCain did rather well. Obama doesnt seem to have the flamboyance that he has when he gives prepared speeches, when he debates. He appears rather subdued and mellow. McCain was definitely more aggressive than Obama this time around and had him on the backfoot, especially on foreign policy, when he questioned Obama's capability to take sound judgments on important foreign policy issues. If anything, I am certain that Obama deeply regrets saying two things; 1) The surge wont work. 2) If he's elected president, he will have direct presidential level talks with the Iranian president. McCain has repeatedly taken him to task on these two issues and quite frankly, Obama is left searching for answers. This debate had nothing much new from the first one. The two candidates keep saying the same thing, over and over again. But, its amazing to think Obama hasnt been to secure outright victories, given what the republicans have done to America in the last 8 years. If I were Obama, I would tighten my boxing gloves a bit harder the next time and get ready to throw some direct punches. P.S: I am sorta amazed that for a 72 yeasr old, John McCain still has incredible clarity in both thought and speech. Not once did he seem lost on what to say or sound incomprehensible. In my life, I have seen 72 year olds who have almost zero clarity when they speak or in their judgment. I think you are being too soft on McCain. He did SEVERAL direct and MISLEADING attacks on Obama. Most people watching will not bother to check facts, and hence Obama had to be on defensive, and hence he kept correcting McCain. e.g. Tax Cuts : Palin said it and McCain did it again, saying that Obama plans to raise taxes for middle class, where as in actuality, Obama plans for tax cuts for 95% people. McCain distanced himself from Bush, and the crap of 8 years. Thats why Obama could not deliver the knockout punch. Also, I don't think McCain was clear or coherent or anything...just blabbering same things and taking potshots .. He is as old as dinosaurs..
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