punjabi_khota Posted December 4, 2008 Posted December 4, 2008 problem is that educateds want to give their kids better lives hence the autmoatic family planning where as the jihadi uneducated ones don;t care .. Some kids arre raised by hafeez Saeed some by Maulana fazlulla.. I am not sure they even keep track of which son is where yes daughters attendance is checked every nite i believe in pakistan at 6:30 pm... YOu do have a point May be it's time for AARUSH Dwitiya:cantstop: whats that ?
suraj Posted December 4, 2008 Author Posted December 4, 2008 whats that ? I am guessing Aarush is D_R's kid's name dwitya= second
Guest dada_rocks Posted December 4, 2008 Posted December 4, 2008 I am guessing Aarush is D_R's kid's name dwitya= second On the mark you are..
vroomfondel Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 On the mark you are.. I hope your kid isn't in India. Otherwise it would suck for him in school. He would always be the first in class to show his homework, and really wouldn't have a chance to copy stuff in class like all the other slackers. The zubins always had it easy...
flamy Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 We can start a website cataloguing how our country has been ravaged by terror. That website can have a comprehensive list of attacks on us' date=' try and put as many faces to names of victims, review govt actions/inactions after those incidents and generally develop ourselves into a terrorism in India watchdog. Needless to say, we can look at raising funds for victims and urging people to be more proactive in stopping terror.[/quote'] Good idea. Do tell me how I can help. I'll be in India in December.
flamy Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 And suraj, great thread man. I confess I can think of nothing to solve this problem. I feel totally lost. I hope someone can provide guidance.
Holysmoke Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 I hope your kid isn't in India. Otherwise it would suck for him in school. He would always be the first in class to show his homework' date=' and really wouldn't have a chance to copy stuff in class like all the other slackers. The zubins always had it easy...[/quote'] It was always by last name. :--D And ladies first..
suraj Posted December 5, 2008 Author Posted December 5, 2008 There can be no immediate solution to this menace. Education and literacy are the only tools. A state like kerala with its many economic problems offers a fine example. other than very rare instances, it will be difficult to find people killing each other over religion.This is especially relevant as the state has a large muslim and christain population. But how do you or me as an individual do something to contribute to it; there is a lot to be done I know but I am asking for very specific action that you are willing/capable of doing.
suraj Posted December 5, 2008 Author Posted December 5, 2008 Those who are interested in what I wrote in post 2 regarding suraj's OP' date=' contact me at [email']gambit.2025@gmail.com and let's take the discussion there. Gambo, I'll get in touch. Sorry got swamped with work etc but I do intend to follow up. This is a great actionable suggestiion but we need a team. Hoping for more actionable thots here that folks will pen down and then actually carry out even if it is a really small thing.
suraj Posted December 5, 2008 Author Posted December 5, 2008 This is what I do : I donate heavily to ekal vidyalay ... go out of my way to support Bharatiya Sainiks and spend considerable amount of time spreading awareness about Islam thru emails and write to reputed authors and websites whenever I see something blatantly anti-India. If you start anything count me in for substantial $$ contributions and any database realted help. Thats great work you are already doing BB Maybe as a followup you can educate us aliens more abt Ekal vidyalay.
suraj Posted December 5, 2008 Author Posted December 5, 2008 Family Planning: I will give birth to as many children as possible and raise them with good education ,values etc... Anything that helps talksport; maybe lot of folks will consider it as a joke but this does lead to great discussion points like 1. Should govt even support 3rd, 4th, 5th... kids of families with little income but great production of kids because of religious reasons?? 2. Should a viewpoint suddenly become the cause of everyone's focus because it is expressed by the fastest expanding religion without closely looking at the factors contributing to the growth i.e. producing a lot of This can be a whole separate discussion but what I am trying to get at is that instead of you trying to have 11 children maybe increasing awarenessto the flip issue is an answer Anyway any positive action item is acceptable here but also make sure your contribution is actually actionable!
suraj Posted December 5, 2008 Author Posted December 5, 2008 I can contribute in the backend if you're planning a website or something. I'm not great with writing but I can contribute something along those lines as well. graphic you are signed up!! Please do e-mail gambo and we can use your help.
graphic23 Posted December 5, 2008 Posted December 5, 2008 graphic you are signed up!! Please do e-mail gambo and we can use your help. Done and got a reply back as well. Thanks for starting the thread. I myself have been mulling over this since the attacks - but action counts more - so thanks.
suraj Posted December 5, 2008 Author Posted December 5, 2008 And suraj' date=' great thread man. I confess I can think of nothing to solve this problem. I feel totally lost. I hope someone can provide guidance.[/quote'] flamy, Thx and please do help us with the website. Every one of us with compassion but no false ego is looking for guidance- that was partly the reason for me starting the thread but I believe there can be some act-small or huge- that each one of us can commit to; I am not asking anyone to leave families, jobs and a comfortable life to join the army because I have no right to do so but asking everyone to look @ their individual capabilities to make some contribution, no matter if it is minor or major. Thankfully Gambo has already taken this in the right direction but we can do more in each one of our individual capacity.Just keep thinking from the POV of security, information, financial help, educating other folks etc etc to come up with 1 or 2 acts that may help. I do have ideas but I am still looking for guidance too on these: 1. Make some kind of specific contribution; financial, expression of gratitude, supporting families etc of the true heroes who lay their lives to save other people every time this happens, specially the ones who do need help 2. Provide Voluntary Medical assistance to the ones who got disabled/injured; this maybe a good ones for those in medical profession and are in India 3. Increase information and knowledge about how to secure yourself:If you have some kind of security background start educating individuals not to rely upon administration every time be prepared atleast in some basic measures to protect yoursel Like I had promised earlier I will write later about what specifically did I do and got commitment from other folks to do to address the specific problem of terror that India is facing right now but these are some of my random thoughts, in the meantime, to address this problem.
suraj Posted December 5, 2008 Author Posted December 5, 2008 Done and got a reply back as well. Thanks for starting the thread. I myself have been mulling over this since the attacks - but action counts more - so thanks. Great work!!!
suraj Posted December 10, 2008 Author Posted December 10, 2008 Action plan by a survivor's son Points 1-4 in the action plan by this son of a survivor are very relevant for this thread: please read: =============================================================== A letter written by a son (Romil Parikh), whose father was trapped and survived alive from the terrorist hostage in Oberoi Hotel, Mumbai. It is a must read, particularly after the first two paras (his action plan for the rest of his life) ..... Dear Friends, Firstly I would like to thank you all for the love, support, prayers and good wishes extended to me over the last few days. I would like to reply to all you messages one by one but it will be impossible to do in such a short time frame. It was these messages that kept me going for the last few days giving me hope and comfort. As many of you might know from email and newspaper articles my father was trapped in the oberoi hotel for 36 hours. He was eating dinner with his two close friends Anand Bhatt and Pankaj Shah, both of whom have been father figures to me over the last several years. The three of them were trapped along with another fifteen people in the Kandhar restaurant when the terrorist arrived. They were all marched up fifteen or so flights of stairs up to a landing in the fire escape where two terrorists lined them up and opened fire with AK 47s. A bullet grazed my father's neck and he collapsed on the floor with all the bodies piling up on top of him. Some how he and 3 others managed to survive hiding among the dead bodies for the next two days. We lost both Anandbhai and Pankaj Uncle in the shooting. My father is now safe at home with minor wounds, which will heal, but the damage of losing such dear friends and good people continue to haunt us. Somehow with the help of God and all our friends we hope that one day we can reclaim the innocence of life which is now so lost to us. There are several stories I can tell you.... tales of near escape, luck and sheer herosim. I am inspired and touched by the many brave men and women who gave their lives to perform their duty and know that somewhere they are with God. To their families I give my deepest condolences and pray to God that somehow one day we can understand why they fell to such madness. Today I attended the march outside the gateway of India... the press were calling it the gateway of anger and in many ways they are right. I saw the impassioned youth of India frustrated with the ineptness and impotence of our leaders. I saw a spark in their eyes that fills me with a hope that we can change this city and this country. The youth are educated and strong and believe in a better country for us all. Their strength will carry us forward into the next phase of our country. I only wish to ask a few things of everyone that reads this... things that have become clear to me over the last few days. I shall list them down point by point. The following is my action plan for the rest of my life... what I will take away from this experience. 1) Do not preach violence and war without first understanding its true nature. I spent 2 nights hearing the guns and grenades going off from outside the hotel and imagined my father in there. What I felt at that moment I would not wish on any family in the world. We must not let our passions take control of us and become the very same demons that held our city hostage. Our response must be measured educated and precise. Please do not ask for anything more from you leaders. 2) Corruption is the cancer of our society and has now shown how it can cripple us. Politicians are too busy making money to carry out their work. This again starts with you and me. From today I promise never to bribe another government servant. I will go to every businessman I know and ask him to do the same. Please let us collectively rid our nation of this poison. 3) Train yourself mentally and physically to protect yourself and your family. Learn a martial art or basic self-defense. If everyone in these hotels knew how to react to violence maybe we may have overcome this situation sooner. If you do not with to learn to fight learn basic first aid and lifesaving techniques. We are heading to a situation of war soon and these skills will serve us well in the future. 4) Be involved with an NGO/govt org/ prayer group. Connect with your society and help to uplift it with money and time. We now have to be concerned with what goes on outside the doors of our apartments and bungalows. Educate a poor child and he will be an asset in the future not an easy recruit for terrorists and criminals. Reach across communal borders and get to know other religions. It is only after we start this dialogue on the basic level will we be able to be undivided when the terrorists try to divide us. 5) Love and cherish your family and friends... even the ones who you think are weird and different. The sheer number of people who supported our family through this crisis has been amazing... people who I haven't spoken to for years have reached out with love support and prayers. It's only after incidents like these that you realize how petty your day-to-day problems are. The terrorists didn't check whether the people they shot were Hindu, Muslim, rich, poor, ugly, well dressed etc etc.... They just shot.... we should not diffrentiate between people when we share our love and support. If you can make a sad person smile for me you are a hero. 6) Fear nothing except fear itself.... your destiny is written.... if the bullet had been one centimeter off my father would have been dead.... never be scared.... be bold and be brave and when the time comes you will meet your maker with dignity. 7) Stand up for what's right... support those who do ... Smile, dance, sing enjoy the beautiful world that god has given us. Plant a tree and give back to nature. Life is fleeting and if you don't enjoy it what's the point. 9) Confront your guilt and stand up to your fears. Apologize to those you have wronged and forgive yourself for the wrongs you have committed. A few messages I wish to convey - To the terrorists and people who committed this cowardly act I want to thank you for exposing our weakness so now we may become strong, for hurting our pride so that we may be humble, for scaring us to that we can be brave, for angering us so that we can unite. You have served as an alarm clock for a sleeping giant and I hope that one day I can meet you face to face and show you how wicked and weak you hearts are. To the people of Pakistan... I know that you have been victims of terror too and I pray to God that you have the strength and clarity to face the demons that exist in your country. Money and power means nothing without the love of your friends and family and it is now time to stand up and fight for what's decent and right. Its time to stop letting the jihadis and self-serving govt officials fool you. Take control of your country - never forget that we were once one proud nation and the same breed of men split us apart. We are with you in body heart and spirit. To fellow Indians.... never forget where you came from ... we have inspired the world before and the time has come again... never again is a casualty or death acceptable... be it a poor man in a train or a rich man in a five star hotel... We must protect our children and our motherland with blood, sweat and tears. To my friends and family ... you are the most important part of my life and without you there is no meaning. I hope you are safe and happy wherever you may be and hopefully we will be together soon. with all my love always, Romil Parikh
flamy Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 Thank you suraj for posting this. Very good read, it resonates with my heart.
punjabi_khota Posted December 10, 2008 Posted December 10, 2008 Thank you suraj for posting this. Very good read' date=' [b']it resonates with my heart. EMO ***GOT
suraj Posted December 10, 2008 Author Posted December 10, 2008 Thx again BB every little bit counts- I will surely donate and encourage others to donate to the worthy organizations
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