Guy with the biggest balls! Respect!

[Guest dada_rocks]

In other words Muslim terrorism did not exist in isolation. Good. You are a pseudo-liberal already. Didnt make sense. Acche se explain karo. Too many(although I am not surprised at your ignorance). Didnt Rafiq Zakaria, yes the same Islamic scholar right wingers keep invoking when they want to show Patel wasnt anti-Muslim, write in his work , Indian Muslims Where have they gone wrong , If Muslims dont wipe out terrorism, terrorism will wipe them out?? I suggest you do some reading. How about one of your favorites - MJ Akbar?? How many times has he denounced Muslim terrorism very clearly and effectively(possibly the reason why you like him in the first place)?? Next?? xxx

Muslim terrorists exist in isolation anyone who attaches it to any of incident like Ayodhaya Sonua Nigam ahs slapped their face.. take ti or leave it.. Videos do not lie..:two_thumbs_up: Rafiq Zakariya, Arif Mohd Khan these guys are not liberals.. Just go around and check how many liberals crap on these guys every day. Rafiq Zakariya's book "Indian Muslims: Where Have They Gone Wrong?" is classic document of what rightist ideologues say. M J Akbar again he is not your class liberal not even rihgt winger eause he spewed nonsesical article like he did at the eve of Batla house eno****er in daylight.. Even he wud not equivocally say if Ayodhay is relevant then so is Babur in this debate. Never eead him exuding this sentiments. Never reead him saying we should talk muslim-terro if muslims are involved .

[Guest dada_rocks]

>>>kahawat hain: India mein baith ke ka ukhaar rahe hain aap log yes like a cow you have been just living doing nothing going through the motion that's the point.. This inaction where merely being is touted as some kind of valourous response is what drives these terrorists Again try finding single comment do not change the topic.. If not then shove it .. Yes Mr. "I am the biggest patriot"...your moving your fingers on your keyboard is what will drive the terrorists away!. I am amazed at your attempts to prove yourself more patriotic than the others. Infact you are the biggest bloody hypocrite out there. If we went to war at ths moment,I have no doubt that every damn Indian with a heart beat will be ready to die out there...except for rapid cowards like you who don't even live here. Why don't you go out there and fight these guys? You are so much like the fundoo Raj and Bal thakerays.The bloody paper tigers who stay in safe environment....preach hate and when the time for action comes...they are no where to be seen. You are the bloody Raj thackrey of this forum. A papertiger with his tail between his legs hiding in a safe safe place.

I think you neither have brains to comment anythign beyond yes I live outside india and yes I am typing..... It's my fault why do i entertain knuckleheads in serious debates anyway.. continue the garbage

[ludhianvi]

let thy be the devil's advocate.... In a country like India, you cannot have events like the Gujarat Riots happening again and again. Once that can be changed, then only I can see some light at the end of the tunnel. Btw, did Sonu raise his voice after the Gujarat riots?

[Guest dada_rocks]

Of course he isnt. He is exactly what a moderate Indian would be. Secular to the core. No issues with that. What I do have issues with is where you immediately coat Secularism with a "appeasing minority". It does give out your own inherent bias, does it not??

You are evading the question man: Which liberal past present and even future had the balsl to mention babur in ayodhay debate:giggle: The monetn you bring babur's demolition you become hindu extemist and needless to say I am proud extremist in that sense

[veer]

Of course he isnt. He is exactly what a moderate Indian would be. Secular to the core. No issues with that. What I do have issues with is where you immediately coat Secularism with a "appeasing minority". It does give out your own inherent bias, does it not??

yes it is related when it comes to politicians and their votebank... my view of secularism is everyone from all faith live in peace and work for betterment of the country..(then it complicates the matter if one faith wont allow the girls to marry with another faith's guy.. but not same with guys.. ) but for politicians it is to pass laws like quota system and all to get their votes from minority.. if you dont agree to this then you are not living in reality.. its not black and white... there are lot of other sheds..

[beetle]

I think you neither have brains to comment anythign beyond yes I live outside india and yes I am typing..... It's my fault why do i entertain knuckleheads in serious debates anyway.. continue the garbage

Well...truth hurts!...isn't it Mr Raj thakeray type? Anyways...who wants to debate with guys like you?Just don't start "mrs" blah blah comments and you will be safe from people who tend to show your kind the truth mirror.

[Ram]

Of course he isnt. He is exactly what a moderate Indian would be. Secular to the core. No issues with that. What I do have issues with is where you immediately coat Secularism with a "appeasing minority". It does give out your own inherent bias, does it not??

100% Agree. Even PC, Ivory-tower residing, Pseudo Secularist like me will find hard to disagree with him.:cantstop:

[Ram]

Do you remember the one rare occasion where you had the Babri Masjd discussion with me ? :--D

Yes, So?

[Lurker]

Muslim terrorists exist in isolation anyone who attaches it to any of incident like Ayodhaya Sonua Nigam ahs slapped their face.. take ti or leave it.. Videos do not lie..:two_thumbs_up:

And so I will leave it. I dont quite see it why you would see it that way but looks like we are at dead-end here.

Rafiq Zakariya, Arif Mohd Khan these guys are not liberals.. Just go around and check how many liberals crap on these guys every day. Rafiq Zakariya's book "Indian Muslims: Where Have They Gone Wrong?" is classic document of what rightist ideologues say.

:hysterical::hysterical: So Rafiq Zakaria, a Indian Congress politician and Jamia Millia Islamia teacher suddenly becomes not a Muslim liberal! Why am I not surprised.

M J Akbar again he is not your class liberal not even rihgt winger eause he spewed nonsesical article like he did at the eve of Batla house eno****er in daylight..

What the heck is "classic" liberal? You are ither liberal or not. MJ Akbar is a Muslim liberal, and no he is no Hindu brigade(or brigand) fan. My point was the issue has been addressed by liberals, just right wing wasnt listening. Hope I have made my point. xxx

[Lurker]

my view of secularism is everyone from all faith live in peace and work for betterment of the country..(then it complicates the matter if one faith wont allow the girls to marry with another faith's guy.. but not same with guys.. ) but for politicians it is to pass laws like quota system and all to get their votes from minority.. if you dont agree to this then you are not living in reality.. its not black and white... there are lot of other sheds..

Thats where it should start and end. No need for any qualifications after that. If anyone, politicians, break law then put them behind bars. Wasnt there a thread yesterday from HT where it was mentioned exactly that? Enrich Judiciary and Democracy in India ? Most right wingers went nuts at it :secret:

[seedhi]

Sonu Nigam : "If they say that this is because of Ayodhya, then I as a Hindu can say that this was all started by Babar." This should be the slogan of every patriotic Hindu.

[suraj]

Bah Liberal' date=' right-wing. Just labels... I respect anyone who speaks the simple truth.[/quote'] Exactly- koi toh hai jo yeh baat acknowledge kar raha hai instead of getting drawn into label fights

[Guest dada_rocks]

I say why go that far.. I will settle for it was allstarted by the first documented riot of India :Mopla-riots in kerala ( where in words of Annie Besaent more than 200 thousand hindus were butchered. And yes in words of Mahtama Gandhi according to Young India, gandhi;s journal: Muslim were just practicing the religion in the way they know best. ) See I am hindu extremist for thinking in those terms but Sonu Nigam has been inducted into liberal cabal. I guess there is hope for me too liberatti will some day come up to my level of clarity of thought..:winky: