The low standards of the sangh parivar will be a blot on India's secular democracy

[youngindia]

Its one of the biggest regrets as far as indian politics is concerned that the decline of the congress was followed by the rise of a politcal front with abominable credentials .During the days of the 80's, one was hoping for a healthy competition to congress. but the conservative space was unfortunately occupied by a rank communal oragnisation which does not meet even minimum civlised standards. Their style of poilitics and ideology will ensure they will never expand more than a limited section of society. but the damage they are doing to India becaue of their screwed up communal worldview and ideology will make every decent right thinking indian hang their head in shame. the problem starts right from the top. their chief idealogue ,savarkar, is a despicable character with third rate ideas. his nationalism is pretty hollow. His shameful surrender to the british is a documented fact and the fact that sangh hails a traitor as a hero speaks volumes about their gang. This gang of frauds always targets the weak and runs away from strong parties like the british empire. the contribution of these parties to our freedom struggle is pathetic. savarkar like the self serving chicken that he is, stopped all anti british activities after his imprisonment. In prison, he came up with a organised body ideas for communalists- hindutva. he also preached the "revenge" aganst "violent muslims" and at one place even lamented that shivaji's soldiers showed misguided chivalry in not raping muslim women. the sangh pretty much follows the same deception of "retaliation" against the "violent muslims" the boldest of which is gujarat 2002. they have been involbed in numerous communal riots ,documented or otherwise. what standards can you expect from a organisation that follows such a man fromthe gutter? The sangh politics depends on politcal mobilisation based on religious identity. This brand of politics are very dangerous and regressive in many ways. 1. The mixture of religion and politics has degraded the islamic world in many ways. the west has infact progressed since they downgraded importance of religion. In truth, community matters are only a narrow band of politics. By focussing their energies on this narrow band and acting as if its the end of the world, the communalists are essentially unproductive lot who waste their time and priorities on the wrong issues. 2. Since a discriminatory attitude is encouraged (e.g pakistan-2 nation theory ) , there is a dominant tendency among people to form politcal opinions through the narrow prism of religion identity. People in secular democracies can seperate religion from social and politcal issues much better. you see the idocy of the sangh supporters here in giving a communal color to each and every issue. 3. Justice and fair play takes a huge hit. The discriminatroy mentality of the communalists will ensure there is injustice. because justice means you have to consider only facts and unbiased judgment. not religion,caste, tribe etc. here we have sangh morons claiming "no hindu can be a terroist", condoning terrorist accused like the malegoan suspects and thackeray has even gone on record welcoming terrorism. 4. when you promote communalism,poisonous by its very nature, terrorism, riots, pogoroms are eventually waiting to happen. bigoted organisations anywhere in the world are capable of masscares or condoning massscares. But the sangh have huge limitations. they will never represent moe than a section of indian society. but sooner this section shrinks, better is for the country.these uncivlised lot are a disgrace and dispoable garbage. more tomorrow as i have to leave my machine. if you look even deeper, the castesit orthodox and the conservative types have not at all age old caste prejudices and look down upon the

[flamy]

if you look even deeper, the castesit orthodox and the conservative types have not at all age old caste prejudices and look down upon the

coitus interruptus?

[Guest dada_rocks]

Another congressi mororn trying to paint the pbright picture of erergency era, weekly riot era, licence raj era and all thsi eventually culminating into bakrupcy era as some kind of golden period of india.. Sounds exactly like jihadist pining for their glorious past.. If you really are interested in debate then pick any issue and I will put the facts hgere which will shame congress and all congressi.. Riots= check we used to have that day in day out total number is in 60000 plus all under aegis of congressi Casteism= check congress was is the worst casteist party and all these newcomers on the sceme like laloo baloo have learnt tricks from congressi.. psec thugs call it conventional electoral dynamics religio-politics= check.. be it shahbano fiaso or subsequent ram temple unlocking congress has done it all PS: get yourself little informed about indian politics before spewing nonsense.

[The Outsider]

Bhagwa Brigade showing their lunacy again...........where does the OP praise or even discuss Congress except for a fleeting mention. BTW, top post....awaiting for Part II.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Bhagwa Brigade showing their lunacy again...........where does the OP praise or even discuss Congress except for a fleeting mention. BTW, top post....awaiting for Part II.

Its one of the biggest regrets as far as indian politics is concerned that the decline of the congress was followed by the rise of a politcal front with abominable credentials

Very first sentence tells it all ..puts a comparative picture and paints the party which has vilest record in better way... I am making the point that standard was raised not diminsihed with decline of congress You don't see emergency you don's see cavalier abolition of assembalies on whims of nehru indira rajeev brigade You don't see monthly riots You don't see thousands butchered police not even called yet baffling silence by all and sundry You don't see licence raj corruption You don;t see shamelessness where PM puts emergency in placeto save her ar$e , aucnotraraire you get to see example of a leader who lets a CM still holding MP's chair voting agaisnt a PM and PM losing by one vote ( which legally he was not entititled to) yet the PM so respectfully bows to the verdict.. contrast this to the autocratic style of congressis Anyoen who is not aware of these thigns has to be either morn or teen-aged or congress-feignign-ignorance

[The Outsider]

^ No all he is trying to say is that the Congress required good competition in the political arena to break their monopoly, at least that's what I gathered, but the OP would answer better.

[punjabi_khota]

1. The mixture of religion and politics has degraded the islamic world in many ways. the west has infact progressed since they downgraded importance of religion. In truth, community matters are only a narrow band of politics. By focussing their energies on this narrow band and acting as if its the end of the world, the communalists are essentially unproductive lot who waste their time and priorities on the wrong issues.

Wrong. USA is the only super power and most technologically advanced country, and NO IT HAS NOT DOWNGRADED the importance of religion. No where in the world is religion so much of importance in politics as US (except Padosis and their ilk). In fact, they invoke God as frequently as our padosis do.

[seedhi]

Its one of the biggest regrets as far as indian politics is concerned that the decline of the congress was followed by the rise of a politcal front with abominable credentials .During the days of the 80's' date=' one was hoping for a healthy competition to congress. but the conservative space was unfortunately occupied by a rank communal oragnisation which does not meet even minimum civlised standards. [/quote']Oho, so what conservative party would you want? The Muslim league? Did congress meet minimum civilized standards? during the emergency, or the sikh riots? By the way one of the credentials of the Sangh was marching on the Republic day at the invitation of Nehru for their services during the 62 war.

Their style of poilitics and ideology will ensure they will never expand more than a limited section of society. but the damage they are doing to India becaue of their screwed up communal worldview and ideology will make every decent right thinking indian hang their head in shame.

What is this communal worldview? care to elaborate? The BJP is the ONLY major party that supports these demands: 1. uniform civil code 2. repeal of article 370 (a communal article if there ever was) 3. removing subsidies for Hajj and other pilgrimages 4. Hindus should have the right to set up institutions to cater to their own, like the minorities can 5. Granting Hindus the same status as minorities in areas where Hindus are in minority 6. Repeal of the pro-illegal bangladeshi IMDT act 7. Hindus temples should be under control of Hindus rather than government. Just like Muslims and christians control their places of worship. Are the above demands communal? No sane person would consider the above legitimate demands communal. But the ONLY party that supports these demands is the BJP! Have you ever wondered why BJP is the only party that supports the common civil code, even after it is part of the directive principles? Tell me why congress or any other of these secular parties shy from these legitimate demands, and then people complain about the rise of BJP because of its support to these demands. The reason of the rise of BJP is that it is the only party which supports many of such legitimate demands of a large section of society. What stopped congress from implementing uniform civil code or reforming muslim personal laws, like it did for the Hindus in the 50s? What stopped congress from revoking the blunder of article 370 for which we are still paying a price? Why is it that POTA was repealed simply to pander to a particular section of society? Why is it that congress equates madarsa with CBSE, just to please muslims? Why is it that Bangladeshi illegal immigrants are treated as respected guests by the congress? As long as BJP supports the legitimate demands of the Hindus that others shy from supporting, it will remain a potent force.

[Guest dada_rocks]

Oho' date=' so what conservative party would you want? The Muslim league? Did congress meet minimum civilized standards? during the emergency, or the sikh riots? [b']By the way one of the credentials of the Sangh was marching on the Republic day at the invitation of Nehru for their services during the 62 war.What is this communal worldview? care to elaborate? The BJP is the ONLY major party that supports these demands: 1. uniform civil code 2. repeal of article 370 (a communal article if there ever was) 3. removing subsidies for Hajj and other pilgrimages 4. Hindus should have the right to set up institutions to cater to their own, like the minorities can 5. Granting Hindus the same status as minorities in areas where Hindus are in minority 6. Repeal of the pro-illegal bangladeshi IMDT act 7. Hindus temples should be under control of Hindus rather than government. Just like Muslims and christians control their places of worship. Are the above demands communal? No sane person would consider the above legitimate demands communal. But the ONLY party that supports these demands is the BJP! Have you ever wondered why BJP is the only party that supports the common civil code, even after it is part of the directive principles? Tell me why congress or any other of these secular parties shy from these legitimate demands, and then people complain about the rise of BJP because of its support to these demands. The reason of the rise of BJP is that it is the only party which supports many of such legitimate demands of a large section of society. What stopped congress from implementing uniform civil code or reforming muslim personal laws, like it did for the Hindus in the 50s? What stopped congress from revoking the blunder of article 370 for which we are still paying a price? Why is it that POTA was repealed simply to pander to a particular section of society? Why is it that congress equates madarsa with CBSE, just to please muslims? Why is it that Bangladeshi illegal immigrants are treated as respected guests by the congress? As long as BJP supports the legitimate demands of the Hindus that others shy from supporting, it will remain a potent force.

lest it evades the usual suspects' eyes

[Guest dada_rocks]

youngindia or is it pre-pubescent clueless india got throughly owned by seedhi never to return in this thread :haha:

[cybervickey]

op seems like a copy-paste job to me !