Squad for NZ tour announced

[spectre]

however the conditions are' date='u still need ability to swing the ball.sree has that in abundance.if he was fit there was no reason to exclude him n include munaf.munaf at best can bowl line n length.he cant swing it like sreesanth.he doesnt have pace like sree.economical bowling doesnt help much in test cricket,if u cant trouble the batsmen.also,i would rather take 4 for 50 than 1 for 20 from our main bowlers[/quote'] WTH that people go gaga over sreesanth. He bowled one super spell against SA and one good spell against Aus in T20 semifinal Apart from that, he is one indisciplined bowler who leaks runs like anything. In numerous ODIs i have seen him, he bowled way too crap, big half volleys, spraying so many wide HIT ME balls, which makes a mockery out of the captain setting the fields Talent is nothing without discipline (i mean only with this cricketing skills) Remember, he almost lost us the WC final with that sh1t penultimate over, spraying balls everywhere Most people remember only his catch, not that over he bowled Just because some commentators go overboard with his seam position, will that automatically make him a great bowler for heavens sake, he hasnt done anything spectacular for his comeback, he played what, 2-3 matches in the last 1 year, and you folks want him directly into national team and don't say, in test matches, u can afford to leak runs. Quick runs causes momentum shift, which is hard to get back, we have seen India in the past let go of this momentum shift even if they had 2-3 quick wickets, its because of the ineffective backup bowlers, who were easy to hit and get runs Its not Kumble was a spin wizard, but because of this consistency,persistence and superb discipline, he took 600+ wickets

[Lord]

WTH that people go gaga over sreesanth. He bowled one super spell against SA and one good spell against Aus in T20 semifinal Apart from that, he is one indisciplined bowler who leaks runs like anything. In numerous ODIs i have seen him, he bowled way too crap, big half volleys, spraying so many wide HIT ME balls, which madkes a mockery out of the captain setting the fields Talent is nothing without discipline (i mean only with this cricketing skills) Remember, he almost lost us the WC final with that sh1t penultimate over, spraying balls everywhere Most people remember only his catch, not that over he bowled Just because some commentators go overboard with his seam position, will that automatically make him a great bowler for heavens sake, he hasnt done anything spectacular for his comeback, he played what, 2-3 matches in the last 1 year, and you folks want him directly into national team and don't say, in test matches, u can afford to leak runs. Quick runs causes momentum shift, which is hard to get back, we have seen India in the past let go of this momentum shift even if they had 2-3 quick wickets, its because of the ineffective backup bowlers, who were easy to hit and get runs Its not Kumble was a spin wizard, but because of this consistency,persistence and superb discipline, he took 600+ wickets

i am not going gaga over Sreesanth.i hate his inconsistencies too.his attitude sucks too.but i'd prefer him over munaf anyday simply because he is a match winner on his day.yes he can leak runs,but we have other bowlers who can keep runs down..

[spectre]

i am not going gaga over Sreesanth.i hate his inconsistencies too.his attitude sucks too.but i'd prefer him over munaf anyday simply because he is a match winner on his day.yes he can leak runs' date='but we have other bowlers who can keep runs down..[/quote'] What match winner, just one innings he did great in SA, he becomes a match winner (In that sense Siraggi, Abey Kuruvilla, Tinu Yohanan, etc all would have been matchwinners and guaranteed automatic entries to India team, because they had one or two good spells) What else has he done, how many matches he has won for India, easier Q would be , how many matches, he helped India to lose, because of this horrid economic rate We are trying to make him a matchwinner so easily... Let him try to win more matches for India to be first labeled a matchwinner

[Lord]

What match winner, just one innings he did great in SA, he becomes a match winner (In that sense Siraggi, Abey Kuruvilla, Tinu Yohanan, etc all would have been matchwinners and guaranteed automatic entries to India team, because they had one or two good spells) What else has he done, how many matches he has won for India, easier Q would be , how many matches, he helped India to lose, because of this horrid economic rate We are trying to make him a matchwinner so easily... Let him try to win more matches for India to be first labeled a matchwinner

i havent said matchwinner.i said he's a mtchwinner ON HIS DAY.wen he will perform,he will win the match for you almost singlehandedly.that innings in SA he completely destroyed them n won the match for us.in T20 game too he did great.how many times u see figures of 2 for 12 in 4 overs in a T20 where 180 have been scored?sree did that. how many such spells u can recall of Munaf? i can recall none

[Shane]

What match winner, just one innings he did great in SA, he becomes a match winner (In that sense Siraggi, Abey Kuruvilla, Tinu Yohanan, etc all would have been matchwinners and guaranteed automatic entries to India team, because they had one or two good spells) What else has he done, how many matches he has won for India, easier Q would be , how many matches, he helped India to lose, because of this horrid economic rate We are trying to make him a matchwinner so easily... Let him try to win more matches for India to be first labeled a matchwinner

First decide which format of the game you are referring to ??? Tests or ODI's In Test matches hez proved his worth on most occasions England, South Africa, who are the two out of the three against whom he has plyed his trade at the highest level I wouldnt pick him for the ODI's personally, but for the Tests, he would be my 3rd seamer without a doubt (fitness paramount)

[Lord]

First decide which format of the game you are referring to ??? Tests or ODI's In Test matches hez proved his worth on most occasions England, South Africa, who are the two out of the three against whom he has plyed his trade at the highest level I wouldnt pick him for the ODI's personally, but for the Tests, he would be my 3rd seamer without a doubt (fitness paramount)

yup i'm referring test only too

[Show_stopper]

What match winner, just one innings he did great in SA, he becomes a match winner (In that sense Siraggi, Abey Kuruvilla, Tinu Yohanan, etc all would have been matchwinners and guaranteed automatic entries to India team, because they had one or two good spells) What else has he done, how many matches he has won for India, easier Q would be , how many matches, he helped India to lose, because of this horrid economic rate We are trying to make him a matchwinner so easily... Let him try to win more matches for India to be first labeled a matchwinner

Sree has got to be the easiest 140+ kph bowler to belt around in International cricket. Heck even in Duleep trophy this guy was leaking runs at 5+ rpo. Rox, Kookabura ball swings for max 8-10 overs..What use is Sree after that? And we know Zak and Ishant are gonna open the bowling.. Are you aware of a skill called "seaming the ball"? I doubt after reading your posts..Anyway Munaf has the skill while Sree doesn't. Hence i believe munaf,if fit, is our best 1st change seamer.Bowled brilliantly in the last Test that he played vs Pak with no rewards.I would prefer him anyday over Sree when both are fit and esp when we have Zak and Ishant.

[spectre]

I am talking about all formats...Tests in particular as its the point of discussion here England - 3 matches, 6 innings, 9 wickets, SR 75.3 WI - 3 matches, 6 innings, 10 wickets, SR 57.6 SA - 3 matches, 6 innings, 18 wickets, SR 38.3 ( with a 5'fer) So, one good series(18-5=13 in 5 innings), two average/below par, and he suddenly becomes a matchwinner. If this is the standard to evaluate a matchwinner, its a pity

[Show_stopper]

First decide which format of the game you are referring to ??? Tests or ODI's In Test matches hez proved his worth on most occasions England, South Africa, who are the two out of the three against whom he has plyed his trade at the highest level I wouldnt pick him for the ODI's personally, but for the Tests, he would be my 3rd seamer without a doubt (fitness paramount)

Disagree strongly..his performance in England was pathetic to say the least.Zak and RP exceeded him easily. Sree was busy with his usual antics. SA is the only place he has shown his worth.

[Lord]

Sree has got to be the easiest 140+ kph bowler to belt around in International cricket. Heck even in Duleep trophy this guy was leaking runs at 5+ rpo. Rox, Kookabura ball swings for max 8-10 overs..What use is Sree after that? And we know Zak and Ishant are gonna open the bowling.. Are you aware of a skill called "seaming the ball"? I doubt after reading your posts..Anyway Munaf has the skill while Sree doesn't. Hence i believe munaf,if fit, is our best 1st change seamer.Bowled brilliantly in the last Test that he played vs Pak with no rewards.I would prefer him anyday over Sree when both are fit and esp when we have Zak and Ishant.

i am very much aware of it.thats why i said munaf cant swing the ball much.he can seam it off the pitch. but the windy conditions in NZ aid swing bowling,not seam bowling.u only mentioned that he bowled without rewqards v pak?u know why he didnt get rewards ?coz he doesnt have the pace or swing to trouble the batsman in tests.he can't even reverse it now as he used to do earlier.

[Lord]

I am talking about all formats...Tests in particular as its the point of discussion here England - 3 matches, 6 innings, 9 wickets, SR 75.3 WI - 3 matches, 6 innings, 10 wickets, SR 57.6 SA - 3 matches, 6 innings, 18 wickets, SR 38.3 ( with a 5'fer) So, one good series(18-5=13 in 5 innings), two average/below par, and he suddenly becomes a matchwinner. If this is the standard to evaluate a matchwinner, its a pity

compare them with munaf n u'll know

[Shane]

Disagree strongly..his performance in England was pathetic to say the least.Zak and RP exceeded him easily. Sree was busy with his usual antics. SA is the only place he has shown his worth.

I was referring to his series against England at home, ne wayz if fit and had to choose between "Piss poor attitude Munaf" and "Antics specialist Shree" i would defn go with the later !!! esp in NZ !!!

[spectre]

compare them with munaf n u'll know

I didnt call Munaf a matchwinner. He is not by any strech of imagination. You called disco a matchwinner and I posted the stats to show how great a matchwinner he was Dont degrade a matchwinner title by trusting it on people like sreesanth. btw, Your avatar has one

[Show_stopper]

compare them with munaf n u'll know

The only place they played together was in WI..i don't care what the figures say,Munaf our best bower there.He never got to play in any of these other tours. In the sub-continent where the seam movement is less i would definitely prefer Sree but not otherwise.

[Shane]

Sleeping Patels stats

Grouping	Span	            Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10	
v England	2006-2006	2	4	80.0	16	217	10	4/25	7/97	21.70	2.71	48.0	0	0	
v Pakistan	2007-2007	2	4	65.0	14	215	3	1/21	2/106	71.66	3.30	130.0	0	0	
v South Africa	2007-2007	1	2	21.0	5	45	1	1/43	1/45	45.00	2.14	126.0	0	0	
v West Indies	2006-2006	4	8	149.0	33	463	14	3/51	5/101	33.07	3.10	63.8	0	0

[Lord]

I was referring to his series against England at home' date=' ne wayz if fit and had to choose between "Piss poor attitude Munaf" and "Antics specialist Shree" i would defn go with the later !!! esp in NZ !!![/quote'] :dito:

[spectre]

I was referring to his series against England at home' date=' ne wayz if fit and had to choose between "Piss poor attitude Munaf" and "Antics specialist Shree" i would defn go with the later !!! esp in NZ !!![/quote'] when did he play against England @ home EDIT: my mistake

[Lord]

I didnt call Munaf a matchwinner. He is not by any strech of imagination. You called disco a matchwinner and I posted the stats to show how great a matchwinner he was Dont degrade a matchwinner title by trusting it on people like sreesanth. btw, Your avatar has one

i said match winner on his day.there is a big,big difference b/w a genuine matchwinner n someone who wins matches wen he does well but isnt consistent

[Shane]

when did he play against England @ home

http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/player/34274.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings

[Lord]

when did he play against England @ home

in 2005 i think