graphic23 Posted February 5, 2010 Posted February 5, 2010 ^ it's abt 10 yrs old and it's one of the best songs of ARR's.. note how the music is so sweetly using the traditional instruments.. love it.. :) these guys shd work together more often... and the biggest joke is how these ppl aren't actually competing against each other, but the fans are.. 1 - most people only knows wht they're interested in knowing and thts wht they're exposed to, yet the talk like they know everything and thts completely normal, even i do tht.. :D 2 - true, his latest works are quite "sad" (compared to his older pieces) though nice.. his pieces in ghajini was a complete bore when compared to the tamil version done earlier by another music director (who is very well known for copying arr's music :D) i was quite disappointed jai ho was the one to get this much publicity..and now nana being nominated for oscars.. blerghh.. i sure hope it doesn't win! he's done so much better... and he can do so much better too... 1. :D I guess so. Its a very common thing. And Music is a very personal thing, so I dont want to say anything more on this. 2. Harris Jayaraj isn't that bad. His work in Vaaranam Aayiram was terrific! Same with Ghajini, Minnale, etc. Yeah, agreed with Jai Ho and the rest of the sentiment. Very true. However it is no different than say Hollywood in that regard. Surely the world movie industry does not begin and end there, in fact there are some great movies coming out of France, Spain, Latin America and even countries like Iran. Still when you think of movies you do think of Hollywood first. This is no different in India as well. I guess for me, its a little different Lurker because I've grown up watching regional movies. For me, movies meant Hyderabad more than it meant Mumbai. I'll be the first to admit that I haven't seen many foreign language films outside of a couple of Spanish films. But I think when it comes to music though, its different because you are forgetting your own heritage (yeah, I realize that might be hyperbole but for me classical music is something of a heritage in India because of how integrated it is in our culture.) This will take me back to the whole rant of a common Indian language. The best way of an average Indian to learn about fellow Indian artists has to be through a common language. It is simply impossible to think a Bihari would appreciate Yesudas when he has not even heard of him. If English is pushed as the common language across India, which it is by most non-Hindi speaking states, there is going to be a fallout where a Hindi speaker would know more about Will Smith than he does about Shivaji Ganeshan. And really can you argue against that? Agreed as far as Hindi is concerned. Although I must add that throughout my childhood in India, all my schools had Hindi as a second language as a compulsory subject. Both my parents understand it very well and speak decently. I am not so knowledgeable because I moved away just when I was starting to learn it. I can still read and write Hindi but my vocabulary and grammar is very poor. As far as the Sivaji Ganeshan and Will Smith are concerned, I am not sure how we can change that just through spreading Hindi though. I still think that the movies are catered to a wholly different audience with a different mindset. I think that gap can only be bridged if there is an actual cultural exchange through settling of Indians all over India instead of their home state. I guess that brings us back to your initial point about Hindi because I can definitely see language being a barrier if someone from AP wanted to settle in Delhi or something like that. I am not sure if any music afficiando would ever put Yesudas and Shankar Mahadevan in the same sentence. Personal taste etc is perfectly fine and all that but Yesudas is divine while Shankar, great artists as he is, is a mere mortal in comparison. Many of my favorite songs of late 70s and early to mid 80s are those of Yesudas. Brilliant singer. It is mine, and many Indians like me, misfortune that I could not follow him lot more because of the language difference. xxx Yeah, I was making the comparison because both of them have sung film songs (though KJ is extremely selective in his music and the people he wants to work for). The cool part about the south Indian film industry (as a whole) is that the industries got divided to Chennai, Hyd, Bangalore, only recently (about 20-25 years back). Prior to that, all or most of the films were made in Chennai, which allowed for a lot of exposure between artists from different places.
bhanu Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 mehndi hasan owns them all when it comes to singing...
ViruRulez Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 mehndi hasan owns them all when it comes to singing... who is he .. maybe a Paki :haha:
achilles Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 I haven't heard about Mehndi Hasan. Who is he?
ViruRulez Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 Regarding current musicians, ARR is the best for sure and he pwns everybody by a huge margin but I regard Mahadevan as a much better singer .. ARR is far better than SEL as music composer while Mahadevan is much better than ARR as a singer .. as someone said above one is like a bowling allrounder while other a batting allrounder and so cannot compared between the two .. overall by musical talent ARR is better than Mahadevan because he makes music out of natural sounds and that is really incredible . one of his most underrated music yet one of his best I consider is the Taal movie where he gave nearly all music from natural objects instead of conventional instruments Regarding overall best musician R D Burman might give good competition to ARR as a musician but I think ARR might slightly edge R D
achilles Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 RD is RD. He was the best. There are no two ways about it for me :--D
achilles Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 And whats it about RD's? All of them are legends. One in cricket, one in music.:two_thumbs_up: And RD Burman can also be referred to as RDB, one of the greatest films I've ever watched :two_thumbs_up:
Aqua Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 1. :D I guess so. Its a very common thing. And Music is a very personal thing, so I dont want to say anything more on this. 2. Harris Jayaraj isn't that bad. His work in Vaaranam Aayiram was terrific! Same with Ghajini, Minnale, etc. Yeah, agreed with Jai Ho and the rest of the sentiment. Harris Jayaraj does some good stuff though he does copy quite a bit.. just search youtube for "harris jayaraj copy cat" and you'll get loads.. :D And I have to admit, not always are the originals tht great.. but he changes them to some lovely music.. P.S. I can't quite say horrible stuff about him when I'm listening to nenjukkul peidhidum frm vaaranam aayiram at the moment! :giggle:
pappu_kanghi Posted February 6, 2010 Posted February 6, 2010 A.R.Rahman >> Shankar Mahadevan >>...........................................................>> Sadak Chaap baiju bawraa >> Himesh Topiwala
achilles Posted February 7, 2010 Posted February 7, 2010 Harris Jayaraj does some good stuff though he does copy quite a bit.. just search youtube for "harris jayaraj copy cat" and you'll get loads.. :D And I have to admit' date=' not always are the originals tht great.. but he changes them to some lovely music.. P.S. I can't quite say horrible stuff about him when I'm listening to nenjukkul peidhidum frm vaaranam aayiram at the moment! :giggle:[/quote'] Harris is virtual unknown in this part of the country (Mumbai)
Aqua Posted February 7, 2010 Posted February 7, 2010 Harris is virtual unknown in this part of the country (Mumbai) Really?? :omg: Hmm... I wonder why I'm not surprised.. He hasn't quite ventured out of Tamil and you guys barely bother abt Tamil music, do you? :regular_smile:
riya Posted February 7, 2010 Posted February 7, 2010 I am not sure if any music afficiando would ever put Yesudas and Shankar Mahadevan in the same sentence. Personal taste etc is perfectly fine and all that but Yesudas is divine while Shankar, great artists as he is, is a mere mortal in comparison. Many of my favorite songs of late 70s and early to mid 80s are those of Yesudas. Brilliant singer. It is mine, and many Indians like me, misfortune that I could not follow him lot more because of the language difference. Amazing to see a non Malayali praising Yesudas so much:two_thumbs_up:.If u were a malayali u would have found a lot of his malayalam songs straight from the heaven. Goodness me what a singer :hail: And as for the music directors I personally enjoy my malayalam MDs like Salilda (he was awesome in malayalam too),Raveendran,Johnson any day over ARR.And Ilayaraja(tamil) and ofcourse the incredible incomparable RDB.
Lurker Posted February 7, 2010 Posted February 7, 2010 Amazing to see a non Malayali praising Yesudas so much. If u were a malayali u would have found a lot of his malayalam songs straight from the heaven. Actually it is hardly amazing Riya. Most Hindi music afficiando, specially those who enjoy music from 70s and 80s would readily attest to phenomenon that is Yesudas. This era was hugely overshadowed by commerically successful movies and oddly enough the best music of the era often came in meaningful movies which were hardly box office success. For example movies like Razia Sultan, Bazaar, Arth, Saath Saath - which are almost always present in a music lover's music collection were hardly successful. Even RDB and Gulzar's splendid works - Ghar & Ijazat - cult movies as they were, were hardly a commerical success. The only aberration could very well be Masoom. It is in this context that one remembers Yesudas. Most of his great works were done for Amol Palekar's movies, even actors like Arun Govil, but the songs were big hits. I can not remember Yesudas singing much for Amitabh Bacchan, apart from Mohabbat bade kaam ki cheez hai from Trishul. His great works were often rendered for Amol Palekar (Gori Tera Gaon bada pyaara, Jab dil jale aana, Jaaneman Jaaneman tere do Nayan), Vinod Mehra (Madhuban Khusboo Deta hai, Dil ke Tukde tukde kar ke), Arun Govil (Saawan ko aane do) etc. Apart from his amazing voice and range what stands out, for me, is that most of the songs I mentioned are in absolute chaste Hindi. This is partly because of his bond with music director Ravindra Jain, who also wrote lyrics and was a Hindi Pundit (interesting many of the purest Hindi songs have come from the bastion of Jains, something not many folks perhaps know, but I digress). This is where I think Yesudas scores over someone like SP Balasubramaniam as there is a distinct accent and a lack of comfort while singing Hindi songs. Before the era of cable television when radio was the king there used to be this weekly program Binaca Geetmala(later known as Cibaca Geetmala). The anchor (Ameen Sayani) was very knowledgeable of music and also very appreciative of talent. I can recall him saying Yesudas as makhmali sur ke maalik (loosesly translated as the owner of satin voice, a voice that shall always sooth). And as for the music directors I personally enjoy my malayalam MDs like Salilda (he was awesome in malayalam too),Raveendran,Johnson any day over ARR. Salilda is one of the genius we have produced(I am guessing you are talking of Salil Chowdhary). Pound for pound probably the best music arranger that we have had. And of course completely versatile to compose anything from bengali to malayalam (chemeen). There was this interview where Lata Mangeskhar was asked about her favorite songs of all time and she suggested it may very well be O Sajna Barkha Bahar aayi from Parakh, a Salil Chowdhary special. That pretty much sums it all does it not? And Ilayaraja(tamil) and ofcourse the incredible incomparable RDB. Personally I think Ilayaraja's work in Sadma is as good as anything ARR has produced in Hindi movies. Sadma is very original in its work and maintains the fine balance between Hindustani and Carnatic music unlike ARR which seems to have missed his moorings. One area where South music has lacked in its amalgamation with Hindi industry is the lyrics part. While Ilayaraja, ARR even MM Kreem has rocked music fans all over India, when it comes to lyrics they have been not upto the mark. I have patiently tried to appreciate Mehboob and the likes but its just not the same. I wish thats an area that could be improved, and frankly I dont see it happening with the language barrier. Takes me back to the same point lol. xxx
riya Posted February 7, 2010 Posted February 7, 2010 One area where South music has lacked in its amalgamation with Hindi industry is the lyrics part. While Ilayaraja, ARR even MM Kreem has rocked music fans all over India, when it comes to lyrics they have been not upto the mark. I have patiently tried to appreciate Mehboob and the likes but its just not the same. I wish thats an area that could be improved, and frankly I dont see it happening with the language barrier. Takes me back to the same point lol. Could be because of the 'dubbed' confusion.A lot of South Indian lyricists tried to give a direct translation of their native language poem which can end up in disaster because of the cultural differences. As for Yesudas though his voice was heavenly he has this problem of thick malayalam accent.However the beauty of the songs were capable of cover up those problems,i guess. Yes I meant Salil chowdhary,his works in 70s are timeless and still loved by majority our listeners.
punjabi_khota Posted February 7, 2010 Posted February 7, 2010 Geoffery Boycott's mom is better than Rehman. Wait..she is not Indian. :yikes:
Lurker Posted February 7, 2010 Posted February 7, 2010 Geoffery Boycott's mom is better than Rehman. Wait..she is not Indian. :yikes: I am only too happy you did not suggest Snoop Dogg as the greatest, nor Doggystyle the greatest album :secret:
graphic23 Posted February 7, 2010 Posted February 7, 2010 Apart from his amazing voice and range what stands out, for me, is that most of the songs I mentioned are in absolute chaste Hindi. This is partly because of his bond with music director Ravindra Jain, who also wrote lyrics and was a Hindi Pundit (interesting many of the purest Hindi songs have come from the bastion of Jains, something not many folks perhaps know, but I digress). This is where I think Yesudas scores over someone like SP Balasubramaniam as there is a distinct accent and a lack of comfort while singing Hindi songs. Would just like to address the last point. I am glad you brought this up, because from the other side, I feel exactly the same way when Udit Narayan or Shankar Mahadevan or anyone else sings in Telugu and just ruins the language (notice how I dont even mention the accent, because to be brutally honest, its plain awful - the same way I'm sure SPB's singing to you lot). On the other hand, however, I think Yesudas' versatility is umatched to a certain extent because of his comfort with several languages, along with his tremendous knowledge of carnatic music, something SPB has never learned to full extent. But given the fanboy that I am of Balasubramaniam, I think he's the most versatile singer to come out of Southern India, because of not only his comfort levels with Telugu, Tamil, Kannada, and Malayalam but because of the range of his voice - it can match (and he has mimicked) almost every actor in the Telugu and Tamil film circuit today. For an outsider, his voice might have that thick accent, but given that his native language is Telugu, it sounds just brilliant - his accent, pronunciation, etc. (something most of the other singers lack). That is all. :D (BTW, even Yesudas can't pronounce a few telugu words properly. :--D ). One area where South music has lacked in its amalgamation with Hindi industry is the lyrics part. While Ilayaraja, ARR even MM Kreem has rocked music fans all over India, when it comes to lyrics they have been not upto the mark. I have patiently tried to appreciate Mehboob and the likes but its just not the same. I wish thats an area that could be improved, and frankly I dont see it happening with the language barrier. Takes me back to the same point lol. xxx I'm so glad you brought up MM Kreem, because Keeravani is underrated in AP itself in spite of being the best composer in sight. His knowledge of carnatic music is tremendous, and he's really produced some fantastic songs in this decade, even with everyone shifting to western instrumentation, and western style of singing. Agreed about the lyrics by the way, and no one would know it better than folks who listen to ARR's music in Telugu. The lyrics often are effed up, make no sense, and are really awful to listen to - particularly his rap style music. :headshake:
riya Posted February 8, 2010 Posted February 8, 2010 On the other hand, however, I think Yesudas' versatility is umatched to a certain extent because of his comfort with several languages, along with his tremendous knowledge of carnatic music, something SPB has never learned to full extent. SPB is so talented,without carnatic music knowledge the way he sang songs in Sankarabharanam,wow amazing.:adore: And the ease with which he sings itself is an immense pleasure for ears.I would say we shouldn't compare the legends.They are irreplaceable.
graphic23 Posted February 8, 2010 Posted February 8, 2010 SPB is so talented,without carnatic music knowledge the way he sang songs in Sankarabharanam,wow amazing.:adore: And the ease with which he sings itself is an immense pleasure for ears.I would say we shouldn't compare the legends.They are irreplaceable. Yeah. Sankarabharanam, Sagara Sangamam, and the whole lot of KV Mahadevan, Ilayaraja, and MSV songs, which are all very classically oriented. The fact that he dubbed 7 out of 10 voices (the other 3 were English accents), for Kamal's Dasavatharam is astounding, considering the variety of characters, and that there was an old woman in them too! And agreed we shouldn't compare the legends. I brought up SPB 'cause Lurker said that its clear that he is uncomfortable in Hindi, which I guess for me in unnoticeable. :phehehe:
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