When will we have an express fast bowler?

[The Realist]

Need to find more than one speedster asap. India just don't have anybody who strikes fear into the opposing batsmen or at least makes them think about what shots to play. The current trundlers are cannon fodder for other teams who can frankly close their eyes, take a nap and still have time to play their shots.

[Serani]

Also diet really does not help Indians, look at Ishant, he could really use some steak or something.

[King Tendulkar]

Another lesson in the need for pace today!

[achilles]

Another lesson in the need for pace today!

Why haven't you been rebutted for being devilish for having an obsession with pace, since the past 2-3 days? :omg: Have the purists forgot a thread like this exists? Or is their ignorance plain proof that they concede their error in judgment?

[Guest BossBhai]

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[nballa]

sure, when bcci lobbies to get nuclear powered bowling machines in play.

[achilles]

sure' date=' when bcci lobbies to get nuclear powered bowling machines in play.[/quote'] You've chosen the wrong occasion to be funny.

[The Outsider]

Again, what's the point lamenting about something which we don't have anywhere on the horizon. How about our batsmen first learn to face short bowling from the likes of Sammy and Bravo first. 170 was very gettable here. When we get our speed merchant we'll get him. It's not like we have even one express bowler being kept out of the side.

[bear23]

why would anyone want to be a express pace bowler. to get hammered on flat pitches of india??

[King Tendulkar]

Again' date=' what's the point lamenting about something which we don't have anywhere on the horizon. How about our batsmen first learn to face short bowling from the likes of Sammy and Bravo first. 170 was very gettable here. When we get our speed merchant we'll get him. It's not like we have even one express bowler being kept out of the side.[/quote'] Lets spin this round. Whats the point lamenting our batsman ability not to play the short ball, as none on horizon. How about our bowlers learn to bend their backs and rough up the oppo and dish up the treatment our batters face. Bowling windies out for under 140 was very doable. When we get a batsman who can play the short ball we will get one. Its not like we have a 6 batsman who play the short ball well being kept out of the side.

[King Tendulkar]

dsr' date=' if the same two teams play test cricket with the same players who will win 9 out of 10 times ?[/quote'] We will. But not so sure if we play the aussies with their full pace battery though. We win test matches despite not having express pace bowlers. Not because we do not have one. Just inmagine the dominance we would have if we could borrow a couple of aussie speedsters. Its a galring weakness in our cricket team and everyone knows it. Its the big elephant in the room no one wants to talk about or admit to. Some posters are in denial here! Sticking their head in the sand! The logic is, well we don't have one so why talk about it!!! Well the reason I talk about it, is cos its a cricket forum on indian cricket tea. And also the fact we have had only maybe 2 express quality pace bowlers since India played cricket is shocking!

[rkt.india]

Agree with DSR..we need to talk about it..not only we bt cricketers, experts, the academies, the coaches, the BCCI...they all need to talk about it seriously..BCCI earning so much money..they need to work on these things which we lack..bouncier pitches in Domestic....and grooming of fast bowlers without which a team cannot become real world champion

[The Outsider]

Lets spin this round. Whats the point lamenting our batsman ability not to play the short ball, as none on horizon. How about our bowlers learn to bend their backs and rough up the oppo and dish up the treatment our batters face. Bowling windies out for under 140 was very doable. When we get a batsman who can play the short ball we will get one. Its not like we have a 6 batsman who play the short ball well being kept out of the side.

Tell me which is easier - making a bowler whose natural speed is in the 130-135 range to bowl at 145+ or getting otherwise talented batsmen better equipped to handle the short ball, if not at the express pace of Nannes and Johnson, then at least at the pace of Sammy and Bravo?

[King Tendulkar]

Exactly rkt.india. Burying head in sand and saying we don't have them so why talk about it is pathetic. We should talk about it more. So interest in fast bowling rises in India and BCCI and all bodies really try and do something to so we have such bowlers. Changing the pitches would help for starters

[King Tendulkar]

Tell me which is easier - making a bowler whose natural speed is in the 130-135 range to bowl at 145+ or getting otherwise talented batsmen better equipped to handle the short ball' date=' if not at the express pace of Nannes and Johnson, then at least at the pace of Sammy and Bravo?[/quote'] So whats your point! Don't talk about it and just hope a pacer appears by luck. Sorry thats pants. You don't hear me saying why keep talking about our batters deficincies! Just as our batting deficiencis should be discussed , so should our bowling deficiencies. Everyting should be done to find fast bowlers and groom them for India. Just saying o well we don't have anyone so why talk about is ridiculous. Especially on an indian cricket forum!

[Sachinism]

Agree with DSR..we need to talk about it..not only we bt cricketers' date=' experts, the academies, the coaches, the BCCI...they all need to talk about it seriously..BCCI earning so much money..they need to work on these things which we lack..bouncier pitches in Domestic....and grooming of fast bowlers without which a team cannot become real world champion[/quote'] You think the money earned is for helping Indian cricket? :giggle:

[rkt.india]

Tell me which is easier - making a bowler whose natural speed is in the 130-135 range to bowl at 145+ or getting otherwise talented batsmen better equipped to handle the short ball' date=' if not at the express pace of Nannes and Johnson, then at least at the pace of Sammy and Bravo?[/quote'] batsman cant learn to play short stuff on their own, they need environment, those pitches, those bowlers who can bowl bouncer, first Indian dnt have fast bowlers who can bowl effective bouncers in match situation in domestic...jst practicing in the nets in front of bowling machine wnt work...

[The Outsider]

So whats your point! Don't talk about it and just hope a pacer appears by luck. Sorry thats pants. You don't hear me saying why keep talking about our batters deficincies! Just as our batting deficiencis should be discussed , so should our bowling deficiencies. Everyting should be done to find fast bowlers and groom them for India. Just saying o well we don't have anyone so why talk about is ridiculous. Especially on an indian cricket forum!

My point is that we just don't have any express fast bowler anywhere remotely on the horizon and we won't get any till we improve our pitches in domestic cricket. Fat chance of that happening - nothing like that has happened in my 25+ years of following cricket. And when we get someone who would fit the bill to some extent like Ishant or Sreesanth we are going to bowl them into dust by playing them on shirtfronts in ODIs and T20s. Now you can keep bumping this thread every time we feel we missed out on express pace, if that makes you feel any better but I'll lay a wager that even if we get someone who can bowl fast it won't happen because of our system, but despite the system like a Srinath or the early days Kapil. On the other hand, we have a very decent pool of batsmen who with a few adjustments to their techniques can mask the incompetence of our bowling attack as has been done by our test batsmen over the last 10 years.

[The Outsider]

batsman cant learn to play short stuff on their own' date=' they need environment, those pitches, those bowlers who can bowl bouncer, first Indian dnt have fast bowlers who can bowl effective bouncers in match situation in domestic...jst practicing in the nets in front of bowling machine wnt work...[/quote'] Yeah right. The likes of Gavaskar, Amarnath, Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, and Sehwag played domestic cricket on fast and bouncy tracks against a battery of Marshall, Ambrose, Holding, and Garner.

[rkt.india]

Yeah right. The likes of Gavaskar' date=' Amarnath, Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, and Sehwag played domestic cricket on fast and bouncy tracks against a battery of Marshall, Ambrose, Holding, and Garner.[/quote'] Sehwag isnt good against fast short pitch stuff directed towards body..SRT isnt tht good too..he has been hit several times in his career on the helmet..laxman too isnt comfortable..only drvid plays short ball well enoug, bt he does nt have to score on those in tests n Gavaskar, amarnath never played T20 cricket so they could leave those bouncers..... the fact is whn u have 9 runs per over to chase and bowlers bowl bouncers at 145-150 kmph...any team will find it difficult to face and challenge that bowling attack forget about winning whether it is SA or England or NZ....