Umpire review system to be fully implemented from October

[nikred]

its 2 appeals per innings but still it means 16 appeals per test match .if ever apeal takes 2 mins,thats a good half hour gone,n i'm only talking about wrong ones,if they r rite it will increase. n i think captains will use it strategically more than to get correct decisions.imagine if the tail has got stuck with 2 referrals still remaining,the captain will use it for every lbw appeal n waste time.or if a top batsman is there,the captains will use it more against him than others. wen i give the example of Chanderpaul i dont wanna say that dont use technology,by all means use it.but make it more reliable n more transparent.n make it more faster

2 appeals per innings make it 8 appeals in total not 16. So that's like 16 minutes according to your calculation. So its around 3 minutes per day. You won't even notice it. What do you mean by captain using for every LBW appeal to waste time. He can use it for only two wrong referrals and then he runs out of them, as simple as that. I think its the best system available at the moment and I loved it when they used it in tennis too. :icflove:

[cowboysfan]

why not?if they r unsure they will surely refer it like they do with runouts.n if they still make without reffering with an obvious mistake which could be caught with naked eye or first replay.3rd umpire should be empowered to hold that decision make sure after seeing replays n then give his decision

you are asking the umpire to doubt himself-that's just crazy.the 3rd umpire interferring is also crazy.what happens if the on field umpire doesnt call for a review on a obviuos mistake and a ball is bowled before the 3rd umpire can chime in?

[Lord]

2 appeals per innings make it 8 appeals in total not 16. So that's like 16 minutes according to your calculation. So its around 3 minutes per day. You won't even notice it. What do you mean by captain using for every LBW appeal to waste time. He can use it for only two wrong referrals and then he runs out of them' date=' as simple as that. I think its the best system available at the moment and I loved it when they used it in tennis too. :icflove:[/quote'] Arrey bhaisaab two appeal per innings is for both batting n bowling team that makes it 4 in one inning ,in 4 innings it'll be 16,learn to calculate first. n we saw in SL that every appeal takes atleast 2 mins on average,so that is half hour out of the game. i did not say captain will use it for every LBW decision.i said he'll use it more tactically than to get right decision.he'l usr it to break partnerships or to get top batsmen.he wont use it in certain situations even if he feels the decision is wrong. read the post coolly before replying

[DomainK]

Domaink' date='i'm not against use of technology.obviously its intended to get more decisions right.but i'm asking for better use of it.i 'm asking to get players out of it.use a system which takes less time n is more efficient in getting right decisions[/quote']

you think the referrals will work if they keep the players out of it?.you think Bucknor would have called for referrals on the ptich?.i dont think any umpire would call for the review at all-they need to be a prerogative of captains and players-not umpires.

Quite right. The field umpires, third umpire, match referee.....all of them form a team and they will hardly use whatever resources are at their disposal to overturn the decision of one of their own. The call for a review must come from the aggrieved party. However, to stop abuse of the system, there are limits on the number of wrong calls. That's a fair system. The captain will never ask for it unless he is sure.

[Lord]

you are asking the umpire to doubt himself-that's just crazy.the 3rd umpire interferring is also crazy.what happens if the on field umpire doesnt call for a review on a obviuos mistake and a ball is bowled before the 3rd umpire can chime in?

its not Umpire doubting himself,its just making sure n taking help wen he is unsure.do u think umpire doubts himself wen he refers runouts? it doesnt take too long for 3rd umpire to get in.he can press a button to hold the decision.or he can tell the umpire on walky talky that he thinks he has made a mistake n then the on field umpire can hold play until the decision has been made.

[DomainK]

I still don't understand why Kumble gets castigated for using the referral system in SL. The plain facts were that SL bowlers were creating more chances than ours and it is only logical that their appeals would be more successful. In fact' date=' one of the major screw ups of the system was made by Jayawardene in the series when he twice referred leg befores against Tendulkar off Murali upstairs and finished all his chances with only 3 Indian wickets down. Too bad our batsmen were not good enough to exploit it.[/quote'] You cite one example of how Mahela messed it up. Kumble messed it up every match. And then he refused to take it against Australia. That was dumb. Thankfully we won that series without any major mess by the umpires.

[Lord]

Quite right. The field umpires' date=' third umpire, match referee.....all of them form a team and they will hardly use whatever resources are at their disposal to overturn the decision of one of their own. The call for a review must come from the aggrieved party. However, to stop abuse of the system, there are limits on the number of wrong calls. That's a fair system. The captain will never ask for it unless he is sure.[/quote'] well if the 3RD umpire doesnt wanna overturn his colleague's decision,why would he do it on captain's appeal?the captain will ask for it wen it is fifty-fifty,wen its a top batsman,or a partnership is building up.he may not ask for it even if he is sure if he thinks the decision is not as important.he'll look to save the referrals

[DomainK]

its not Umpire doubting himself,its just making sure n taking help wen he is unsure.do u think umpire doubts himself wen he refers runouts? it doesnt take too long for 3rd umpire to get in.he can press a button to hold the decision.or he can tell the umpire on walky talky that he thinks he has made a mistake n then the on field umpire can hold play until the decision has been made.

And then every time the batsman will stay and wait to see if the third umpire is reversing the decision. Whats the need of the field umpires then? Don't you think its more offending to put every decision under review than to put a select few where one of the captains feels the decision was wrong?

[Lord]

And then every time the batsman will stay and wait to see if the third umpire is reversing the decision. Whats the need of the field umpires then? Don't you think its more offending to put every decision under review than to put a select few where one of the captains feels the decision was wrong?

not everytime only wen the 3RD umpre has interfered in the ways i suggested.if he doesn't the game goes on.all the decisions will be made by field umpires only.only if the 3rd umpire thinks that the on-field umpire has screwed it up,he will interfere. wat the current referral system will do is that captain will refer the close ones the umpires will have to give it out,the benefit of doubt will vanish.u dont wanna see games finished in three days,do u ?

[nikred]

Arrey bhaisaab two appeal per innings is for both batting n bowling team that makes it 4 in one inning ,in 4 innings it'll be 16,learn to calculate first. n we saw in SL that every appeal takes atleast 2 mins on average,so that is half hour out of the game.

Oh cr@p, yup you are right.:--D That's still like 6 minutes per day. Not all that bad. '

i did not say captain will use it for every LBW decision.i said he'll use it more tactically than to get right decision.he'l usr it to break partnerships or to get top batsmen.he wont use it in certain situations even if he feels the decision is wrong.

......and what exactly is bothering you if he does that?

[Lord]

Oh cr@p, yup you are right.:--D That's still like 6 minutes per day. Not all that bad. ' ......and what exactly is bothering you if he does that?

bcoz it is not serving the purpose.the purpose is to eradicate obvious errors.imagine the captain exhausts the referralls the umpire makes a really bad decision which turns out to be match turning one.you'd say blame the captain.but the wrong decision is still been made ,then wat is the purpose of this referral system

[Jai Ho]

I don't approve of this. Cricket should stick to tradition and not change to this umpiring system, day/night test matches... :cantstop:

[Mamu]

The umpire review system will be rolled out in Test cricket from October this year and umpires will have greater scope to decide on bad-light interruptions after the ICC adopted several recommendations from its cricket committee. The potential for a day-night Test in 2010 was also discussed at the ICC's meetings in Lord's this week, as was harsher penalties for slow over rates. It was expected that the umpire review system would be introduced permanently following trials over the past year. This week's gatherings, including the ICC Chief Executives' Committee meeting on Monday and Tuesday, and the first day of the ICC board meeting on Wednesday, confirmed the development. It was also agreed that day-night cricket would be explored further, with the potential for a day-night Test in 2010, if such issues as developing an appropriate ball and trialing it at first-class level could be resolved. Finding a suitable coloured ball remains one of the major stumbling blocks and Australia are keen to test several prototypes during a mock match, possibly during the 2009-10 summer. The meetings also determined that play should only be suspended for bad light when umpires decided conditions were unreasonable or dangerous, rather than "unsuitable", as is currently the case. The umpires are expected to make that call on their own instead of offering the light to the batsmen. Fines for slow over-rates will be doubled and a captain of a team guilty of three over-rate fines in the same format in a rolling 12-month period will be automatically suspended for one match. Match officials will also be encouraged to be more diligent in enforcing the playing conditions to minimise delays due to such interruptions as unscheduled drinks breaks. The development of a new Future Tours Programme was also discussed. The ICC board meeting continues on Thursday, when the members will discuss, among other things, the 2011 World Cup. http://www.cricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/current/story/410404.html

So if I am reading this correctly they are going to ignore the Light Meters and decide on their own? Thats a Dangerous Dangerous Dangerous Thing to hand over to the umpire .

[nikred]

bcoz it is not serving the purpose.the purpose is to eradicate obvious errors.imagine the captain exhausts the referralls the umpire makes a really bad decision which turns out to be match turning one.you'd say blame the captain.but the wrong decision is still been made ' date='then wat is the purpose of this referral system[/quote'] You will eradicate the whiners. :winky:

[umpire]

what now they don't trust me