putrevus Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Well SRT might be better player than Ricky, but in terms of handling pressure and raising the level on big occasions Ricky is streets ahead of SRT. Sachin avgs 37 in 4th innings where as Ricky avgs 54. Sachin himself said his best knock was his 103 not out in chennai which goes to show for whatever the reason sachin has performed below par in crunch situations. Link to comment
Chorazin Reto Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 I wouldnt say streets ahead, but i do believe most batsmen have their strengths and weaknesses, Ponting lacks what Tendulkar has in a lot of batting areas, this is true, but in 1 i think he has it over Tendulkar is in mental resolve on big occasions. Admittedly Ponting doesnt have the weight of a billion fanatical Indians riding on his shoulders. To listen to Anakin it's like Tendulkar stood alone holding the strands of Indian batting together, the rest were just baggage which i find a bit ignorant, in discounting some of India's truly great players, lets call the 4 batsmen im talking about patient, sublime, pugnacious, and explosive Link to comment
putrevus Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 If you also look at the wins for team india overseas in this decade sachin never played a big role with bat in ala dravid and laxman in adelaide 03, he did his bit with ball but with bat he didnt raise his level. Team india in this decade was never one man show, Sachin was still the face of indian batting but there were other players to share the load. Link to comment
Dhondy Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 If you also look at the wins for team india overseas in this decade sachin never played a big role with bat in ala dravid and laxman in adelaide 03, he did his bit with ball but with bat he didnt raise his level. Team india in this decade was never one man show, Sachin was still the face of indian batting but there were other players to share the load. Arre you guys going to let this chap get away with this absolute rubbish? Gee...! Link to comment
Anakin Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 If you also look at the wins for team india overseas in this decade sachin never played a big role with bat in ala dravid and laxman in adelaide 03, he did his bit with ball but with bat he didnt raise his level. Team india in this decade was never one man show, Sachin was still the face of indian batting but there were other players to share the load. SAF, England, OZ, check out the latest wins Link to comment
graphic23 Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Arre you guys going to let this chap get away with this absolute rubbish? Gee...! Dhondy, people who associate Tendulkar's career with 2001-2009 don't deserve a reply from an intelligent creature because 1) they don't follow cricket. 2) they don't read posts above theirs 3) they're always looking at their guts by sticking their heads up their ***es. Link to comment
Anakin Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dhondy' date=' people who associate Tendulkar's career with 2001-2009 don't deserve a reply from an intelligent creature because 1) they don't follow cricket. 2) they don't read posts above theirs 3) they're always looking at their guts by sticking their heads up their ***es.[/quote'] No point Link to comment
Holysmoke Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 So Sehwag' date=' Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble ... they were just baggage Tendulkar had to lug around with him?[/quote'] You are talking about the team of the 2000's. The one that started winning abroad. When Tendulkar was at his best, he was a one-man show. The Indian team at that time had players like Sadagoppan Ramesh, Match fixers Jadeja and Azhar, Nayan Mongia (good keeper crap batsman), Robin Singh (not a test quality batsman), and then players like Hrishikesh Kanitkar, Vikram Rathore, etc. Only towards the end of the 90's did we see Sourav Ganguly (who never was a GREAT test batsman) and Dravid emerge. Link to comment
Mr. Wicket Posted July 13, 2009 Author Share Posted July 13, 2009 Yup. As good as Dravid is now, people forget that in the 96-98 period he was a very average ODI batsman whose place in the side was never granted. Azhar was an excellent batsman but inconsistent. Ganguly only really hit a major vein of form from 1997 onwards. But anyone who has seen the 1996 World Cup wouldn't talk. People who think Tendulkar never had to carry the team's burden on his own on various occasions should get a tape of the Wankhede game vs. Australia. What an innings. And what a sad loss after Tendulkar had done so much. Tendulkar out = loss. (Heck the same can be said for the 'Desert Storm' game in 98 in Sharjah... once SRT got out the rest just went into 2nd gear and lost, happy with the fact that we were in the finals) Link to comment
saneindian Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Putrevus "Sachin avgs 37 in 4th innings where as Ricky avgs 54. Sachin himself said his best knock was his 103 not out in chennai which goes to show for whatever the reason sachin has performed below par in crunch situations." Sachin in 4th Innings : 46 innings 1212 runs @37 with 3 100s and 3 50s with 13 not outs Ponting in 4th innings: 35 innings 1187 runs@53 with 4 100s and 3 50s with 13 not outs:haha: Sachin in ODI tournament finals: 38 matches, 1695 runs @53 with 5 100s Ponting in ODI tournament finals: 40 matches, 1344 runs@40 with 2 100s Do you see the picture now. Punter is just shades ahead of Sachin when it comes to 4th innings of a test match. Punter has a better average only because of more% of not outs . In ODI finals (crunch situation as you call them), Sachin is a lot better than Punter. Link to comment
Gambit Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 If you also look at the wins for team india overseas in this decade sachin never played a big role with bat in ala dravid and laxman in adelaide 03, he did his bit with ball but with bat he didnt raise his level. Team india in this decade was never one man show, Sachin was still the face of indian batting but there were other players to share the load. Uh-huh True Correct Well Said Agreed POTW Link to comment
DomainK Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Uh-huh True Correct Well Said Agreed POTW Yes. I also agree. Link to comment
saneindian Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Since 2000, in tests won abroad, this is what the stats tell us 1. Dravid- 19 tests, 1945 runs @ 77 with 5 100s and 9 50s 2. Sachin- 15 tests, 1507 runs@ 84 with 6 100s and 3 50s 3. VVS- 16 tests, 1003 runs @ 48 with 2 100s and 6 50s Yes Dravid has made a major contribution and has been the reason why we started winning abroad but SRT's own contribution with the bat cannot be ignored. Link to comment
Fontaine Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Ponting did play very well but so did the rest of the Aussi batsman. With the kind of pitiful bowling display by England and the good batting track you expect top notch players like Ponting to score big. Link to comment
Anakin Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 You are talking about the team of the 2000's. The one that started winning abroad. When Tendulkar was at his best' date=' he was a one-man show. The Indian team at that time had players like Sadagoppan Ramesh, Match fixers Jadeja and Azhar, Nayan Mongia (good keeper crap batsman), Robin Singh (not a test quality batsman), and then players like Hrishikesh Kanitkar, Vikram Rathore, etc. Only towards the end of the 90's did we see Sourav Ganguly (who never was a GREAT test batsman) and Dravid emerge.[/quote'] Thought it was already established that dude was watching a different game, why bother elaborating. Link to comment
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