FIFA_WADA_BCCI : What is the difference

[cricketrulez]

Here is FIFA statement form march this year. http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/developing/releases/newsid=1040455.html FIFA and UEFA reject WADA "whereabouts" rule Following the joint meeting with the team sports' federations held in Vienna on 8 December 2008, and further to the unanimous decision of the FIFA Executive Committee in Zurich on 19 March 2009, and the unanimous decision of the UEFA Executive Committee in Copenhagen on 24 March 2009. The governing bodies of FIFA and UEFA formally reject the stance taken by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) concerning the "whereabouts" rule and, more specifically, the individual location of team-sport athletes. FIFA and UEFA want to stress the fundamental differences between an individual athlete, who trains on his own, on the one hand, and a team-sport athlete, who is present at the stadium six days out of seven, and thus easy to locate, on the other hand. FIFA and UEFA therefore oppose the individual "whereabouts" rule, and want to see it replaced by collective location rules, within the scope of the team and within the stadium infrastructure. Nevertheless, FIFA and UEFA agree, as an exception, to individual location for players already serving a suspension, or for players injured for a long period of time, as these players do not necessarily participate in the daily life of the club. Furthermore, FIFA and UEFA do not accept that controls be undertaken during the short holiday period of players, in order to respect their private life. Finally, FIFA and UEFA want to draw attention to the fact that, both on a political and juridical level, the legality of the lack of respect of the private life of players, a fundamental element of individual liberty, can be questioned. Every year, the footballing world organises between 25,000 and 30,000 doping controls and is committed to fighting doping in football with all of its means. In a spirit of collaboration in the fight against doping, FIFA and UEFA therefore ask WADA to reconsider its position on the "whereabouts" rule. How is BCCI's argument different? have all the ex-players, sportministers, olympic officials and some fellow internet who bash BCCI/ indian cricketers lost their fricking brains?

[cricketrulez]

http://www.chinadaily.net/sports/2009-04/10/content_7667329.htm http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/world/2009-04-08-fifa-wada_N.htm The new proposal tabled on Monday by Dvorak and Michel D'Hooghe, chairman of FIFA's medical committee, called for targeted testing. "We have defined where are our players most at risk and most tempted by doping," Dvorak said. "It is a risk assessment and risk management exactly the same as you would do in industry." Howman said the testing pool of 'at risk' players should be kept small so that team sport federations do not overreach. where are the idiots who were bashing BCCI and the Indian cricketers?

[zubinpepsi]

Roger Federer has accepted.. Bindra the great agreed to this clause even Gill..and other cricket boards have all signed... do you mean to say FIFA is greater than all these people? :winky:

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Roger Federer has accepted.. Bindra the great agreed to this clause even Gill..and other cricket boards have all signed... do you mean to say FIFA is greater than all these people? :winky:

there is diff btwn team sports and individual sports.........

[Sachinism]

The privacy requirements for Indian cricketers is much greater than all

[Malcolm Merlyn]

The privacy laws in india are much stricter and so are the rules for security of certain criketers....there routes and staying places are changed evry now and then........so u see...it aint very easy? Hw would you feel if u are having guests in your house and 5 ppl arrive asking for urine? Worse if u are wth ur wife and 2 ppl come and knock and ask for ur urine? This is ridiculous stuff..absolutely striaght down the line ridiculous.......it is like ur boss tellling you that at home also you have to follow the office rules and people from your office can come home anytime to see if u r working or not or may ask for a project report...........

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Btw it seems ICC nominated these indian players to be tested....are they high risk people who r more prone to dope?how did icc arrived at this list?

[Zap_Brannigan]

Btw it seems ICC nominated these indian players to be tested....are they high risk people who r more prone to dope?how did icc arrived at this list?

Based on rankings. I dont think ICC had much to do with it. If they did, we would have about 200 pak international and first class player lined up as priority test subjects.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Based on rankings. I dont think ICC had much to do with it. If they did' date=' we would have about 200 pak international and first class player lined up as priority test subjects.[/quote'] Rankings?????which ranking has munaf patel on it????this is a pool of cricketers chosen by icc....who have to sign this contract of WADA.....it doesnt even have all the centrally contracted players on it. what was the basis os seleting these players? FIFA selects the players on basis of their past doping recorrd Whetehr the player is currently injured? Whether he is regularly training with a team or not? What was ICC's basis? The players have to submit their where abouts to WADA which will submit it to a govt agaency in India which is National Anti Doping Agency...NADO.............how many of you have confidence in them?this agency has screwed up the kife of many indian athletes with all sort of wrong results......and please don compare the popularity of our cricketers with the other sport persons in india.....

[zubinpepsi]

Roger Federer has accepted.. Bindra the great agreed to this clause even Gill..and other cricket boards have all signed... do you mean to say FIFA is greater than all these people? :winky:

there is diff btwn team sports and individual sports.........

you :fail:

[Guest gaurav_indian]

Roger Federer has accepted.. Bindra the great agreed to this clause even Gill..and other cricket boards have all signed... do you mean to say FIFA is greater than all these people? :winky:

Nope they are all fools and they have no privacy at all because they dont have any status. And all of them want to see dopers competing in sports. What great views by all of them. And yeah lets keep this dice rolling i havent seen an article from anyone of you where it says WADA leaked anyone's whereabout info. All i am hearing is probabilities. Till then read these articles and laugh at these fools becoz they also dont agree with you guys and they also sound like pakistanis although some of them played cricket for india but in front of you people their views are nothing. They dont love Sachin and Dhoni. They dont know about their status and threats which they received. BCCI risks alienation by rejecting WADA code

NEW DELHI: The BCCI's demand for an independent anti-doping code "lacks credibility" and the "unprofessional", "bullyish" manner in which it has rejected the World Anti-Doping Agency's (WADA) compliance requirements may lead to its alienation from the international sports community. These are the views expressed by a cross-section of eminent ex-players in the wake of the Indian board's decision to stand by its players and refuse being a signatory to the WADA's 'whereabouts' clause and, by extension, an internationally recognized, and mandatory, anti-doping umbrella. There are also growing fears within the fraternity that the board has gone to unreasonable lengths to justify "whimsical" demands of the 11 Indian players in the ICC's anti-dope testing pool, directly tarnishing the sport's image and raising concerns in the public domain about BCCI's ability and desire to combat the menace of doping. What is good for the entire sporting world is good for Indian cricketers and they are no exception to the law, is the general sentiment. Unlike 'Monkeygate', or even the Mike Denness incident, the BCCI might find little public support for its stance here, feel many. The ICC became a WADA signatory in 2006 and is a party to the revised International Standard for Testing (IST) since Jan 1, 2009. On Sunday, the BCCI refused to abide by a WADA code which requires players to reveal their whereabouts three months in advance to enable surprise dope tests. All other cricket-playing nations apart from India have already signed within the July 31 deadline. "BCCI is used to arm-twisting a toothless ICC to get what it wants but this time it might have gone too far," argued former India player Ashok Malhotra. "Why is it always BCCI which has problems? Everyone from Roger Federer to Yelena Isinbayeva can be a signatory but not Sachin Tendulkar or MS Dhoni? Ricky Ponting and Andrew Flintoff have all signed up despite reservations about privacy because it is the right thing to do. Don't the Sri Lankan or Pakistani players have security concerns? The BCCI's bizarre schoolboy-bully behaviour will not be forever tolerated by ICC members even if the threat of a sponsor-pullout looms. Like FIFA, they can ask for minor modifications but this hostile stance is unwarranted. And the demand for ICC's own doping body is ridiculous and exposes a lack of perspective." Importantly, this refusal by the world's richest cricket board risks ICC's ejection from the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and hampers its chances of globalising the sport through participation in events like the Olympics. It could also, if unresolved, lead to a ban on Team India participating in ICC events. "BCCI has not thought of the consequences because they are always used to getting their way. Doping issues are very relevant for cricket in this day and age, unlike earlier," said former India batsman Abbas Ali Baig, "The demand for an independent dope-control body is not credible since we don't know what BCCI is doing to prevent use of unethical medical methods. If the code is intrusive, why has everyone else signed up? I feel that BCCI is unsure if the code is indeed draconian and they are simply going by what players feel. Also, it is a total failure of communication since all this could have been sorted out long back." Former player, coach and selector Madan Lal said, "If our cricketers are not used to living like top-level athletes then they should learn. It is a responsibility on India's part not to jeopardize any sport's chances at international level. More should be done to enhance awareness levels among Board members and players because the public wants a clean sport." Lal's thoughts were echoed by Maninder Singh, former spinner, who said, "It is unprofessional behaviour. Like FIFA, there is a gentler way of bringing things to the table in case of differences. Cricket's entire international structure is now at risk." Former captain Kapil Dev, though, while refusing comment on the nature of the WADA clause, told TOI: "Why aren't these questions being asked to the eminent people associated with BCCI? They must know what to do next." Do they really? Does even the ICC, so dependent on revenues generated from India, know? With cricket already lurching from one crisis to another while trying to sustain spectator interest, this latest tantrum from BCCI is the last thing the sport needs. Cricket has had doping-related scandals before — think Shane Warne, Mohd Asif and Shoaib Akhtar — and international norms cannot be so brusquely brushed under the carpet.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/BCCI-risks-alienation-by-rejecting-WADA-code/articleshow/4854128.cms @cricketrulez Thanks for posting this FIFA article. You surely dont understand the difference b/w FIFA, BCCI and ICC. BCCI is a member of ICC. And 90% of the ICC member countries have signed this clause. In FIFA's case negotiations are going on. Either they all will sign that clause or all of them wont but 9 test playing nations have already signed it. Do you understand this little thing? And yeah your article is old. This is new one. Attention BCCI: FIFA is fully WADA compliant

BANGALORE: Indian cricket Board's plan to push the International Cricket Council (ICC) to take on the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), taking the cue from the battle waged by FIFA may fall flat as the superstars of football have already enrolled themselves with WADA in the fight against doping. "The (WADA) code was accepted (by FIFA), and I might add unanimously, with those whereabouts requirements, and nothing has changed as far as we are concerned," WADA president Fahey had told reporters in Montreal following the executive board meetings on May 10 this year. "We haven't made any concessions," he had said then dismissing allegations that WADA had got FIFA on board by diluting the whereabouts rule. WADA director general David Howman had also said that it is upto the sports federations and national Olympic committees to decide on the number of players to be included in the testing pool. "We don't say you have to have 1,000 players or the top 1,000 in the country, we say 'look at who you think ought to be here,'" Howman had said. It was a total U-turn from the tough posture adopted by football bodies in March when FIFA and UEFA, the governing body of football in Europe, rejected WADA's whereabouts rule. They had then said that there were "fundamental differences" between an individual athlete training alone and one who spends six days a week training or playing with a team and is "thus easy to locate." The new WADA rule that came into effect on January 1 requires athletes in all sports to give anti-doping officials quarterly notice of whereabouts.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Attention-BCCI-FIFA-is-fully-WADA-compliant/articleshow/4854168.cms

[cricketrulez]

BCCI risks alienation by rejecting WADA code Gaurav, Have you wondered why these three guys (Kapil, madan, a. malhotra) were eager to speak up and against BCCI. All three are employees of, wait for IT.....ICL. I'm sure they totally imaprtial and have no axe to grind against BCCI. Are you seriously that thick and slow? @cricketrulez Thanks for posting this FIFA article. You surely dont understand the difference b/w FIFA, BCCI and ICC. BCCI is a member of ICC. And 90% of the ICC member countries have signed this clause. In FIFA's case negotiations are going on. Either they all will sign that clause or all of them wont but 9 test playing nations have already signed it. Do you understand this little thing? And yeah your article is old. This is new one. Jeez, havent' you figured out at this point, BCCI is pretty much the ICC. Case in point Pak whining to no end becos BCCI ignored them in the FTP. Attention BCCI: FIFA is fully WADA compliant Two points, your source is times of india with no details other than WADA saying FIFA is complaint, My source is two different newspapers with details on disagreements and compromises made. Here is more http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/aug/04/fa-uk-sport-wada-digger FA and UK Sport fail to agree over doping code http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/article/2009-04-08/fifa-makes-peace-wada-drug-testing-players FIFA chief medical officer Jiri Dvorak said team sports like soccer could now target for testing players defined as "at risk" -- such as those recovering from injury or who previously used a banned substance So says WADA. why should we take them at their word? why did things fall apart in Mar and what was changed to make it work in april? let them release those details. This is the weird thing about you , you post with a lot of gusto but have make no attempt to address the points others raise. Instead you post more off topic tangential crap. then you go on this rinse and repeat cycle.

[Guest gaurav_indian]

BCCI risks alienation by rejecting WADA code Gaurav, Have you wondered why these three guys (Kapil, madan, a. malhotra) were eager to speak up and against BCCI. All three are employees of, wait for IT.....ICL. I'm sure they totally imaprtial and have no axe to grind against BCCI. Are you seriously that thick and slow? @cricketrulez Thanks for posting this FIFA article. You surely dont understand the difference b/w FIFA, BCCI and ICC. BCCI is a member of ICC. And 90% of the ICC member countries have signed this clause. In FIFA's case negotiations are going on. Either they all will sign that clause or all of them wont but 9 test playing nations have already signed it. Do you understand this little thing? And yeah your article is old. This is new one. Jeez, havent' you figured out at this point, BCCI is pretty much the ICC. Case in point Pak whining to no end becos BCCI ignored them in the FTP. Attention BCCI: FIFA is fully WADA compliant Two points, your source is times of india with no details other than WADA saying FIFA is complaint, My source is two different newspapers with details on disagreements and compromises made. Here is more http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/aug/04/fa-uk-sport-wada-digger FA and UK Sport fail to agree over doping code http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/article/2009-04-08/fifa-makes-peace-wada-drug-testing-players FIFA chief medical officer Jiri Dvorak said team sports like soccer could now target for testing players defined as "at risk" -- such as those recovering from injury or who previously used a banned substance So says WADA. why should we take them at their word? why did things fall apart in Mar and what was changed to make it work in april? let them release those details. This is the weird thing about you , you post with a lot of gusto but have make no attempt to address the points others raise. Instead you post more off topic tangential crap. then you go on this rinse and repeat cycle.

wow you dont believe Bindra, MS Gill, Federer, Kapil Dev, now times of india is also not reliable(are you pakistani?). And yeah plz do read about the compromises. Cant BCCI ask them to do that rather than just opposing it without understanding the clause? They should get on the table with ICC and WADA but what are they doing they are forcing ICC to shun WADA just becoz they are powerful?

This is the weird thing about you , you post with a lot of gusto but have make no attempt to address the points others raise. Instead you post more off topic tangential crap. then you go on this rinse and repeat cycle.

haha who started this thread you or me? You could have easily posted this article in that thread itself. Go and read your first post in that thread first you called me a paki which had no relation to the topic in hand and now you are accusing me of going off topic. All of us are fools only you are clever. And thats the weird thing about you. Some of you are basing your opinions on probabilities. I have asked you 100 times if you have anything related to WADA leaking players whereabout clause info then do post here. And i will back your views. You talk about me addressing the points others raise but what about mine? If its related to privacy only then many big players signed it. If its related to threats and other things then do post something related to leakage of whereabout clause info. Now you got it? Its laughable when you post articles related to FIFA to back your views. But you dont even understand why are they opposing it. Privacy or threats? Actually you are backing my views indirectly. None of the players or countries in those links said that we dont want to sign becoz they can leak our whereabout info.

[The Outsider]

I have asked you 100 times if you have anything related to WADA leaking players whereabout clause info then do post here. And i will back your views. You talk about me addressing the points others raise but what about mine? If its related to privacy only then many big players signed it. If its related to threats and other things then do post something related to leakage of whereabout clause info. Now you got it?

If confidential drug testing results can be leaked from WADA, why cannot the location of the athletes? You are talking like Imran Khan - "there have been no terrorist attacks on cricketers". Well just because something has not happened yet, does not mean it is not a realistic possibility, specially given WADA's shoddy "confidentiality" history. And there would be no one as affected by this possibility as Indian cricketers.

[kabira]

gaurav is hell bent on why BCCI has problems whereas all other boards have signed up 1) No other board has players on hit list and no other boards' players have z class security 2) So if all other boards have no issues, our board should jsut follow them, its like saying entire generation of indians did not protest british rule, other should not have done it.....

[The Outsider]

Some of you are basing your opinions on probabilities.

There is no guarantee that you are going to die if you jump off the fifth floor of a building, but will you attempt it? It's only a probability after all.

[Guest gaurav_indian]

If confidential drug testing results can be leaked from WADA' date=' why cannot the location of the athletes? You are talking like Imran Khan - "there have been no terrorist attacks on cricketers". Well just because something has not happened yet, does not mean it is not a realistic possibility, specially given WADA's shoddy "confidentiality" history. And there would be no one as affected by this possibility as Indian cricketers.[/quote'] Yeah if all of us start thinking like that and live our life on probabilities then nothing will happen in our lives lol. Can you gurantee that cricketers wont be attacked during a match? Infact there are more chances of it happening during matches. Do you have anything else to say other than "Imran Khan - "there have been no terrorist attacks on cricketers"." I think this is the 5th time you guys have said it. Looks like some of you are hell bent on calling me or associating me with a pakistani directly or indirectly. Dont provoke me dude its offensive. You wont like it if i start calling you. And where have i said there have been no terrorist attacks on cricketers why do you always make stuff on your own. I replied to this point of yours yesterday. If you are so concerned about threats then ask the players to sit at their homes and stop playing cricket.

[Guest gaurav_indian]

There is no guarantee that you are going to die if you jump off the fifth floor of a building' date=' but will you attempt it? It's only a probability after all.[/quote'] And there is no gurantee that some WADA people will leak their info isnt it? Just like someone can bribe a WADA officer they can also bribe players driver or security guards right?

[The Outsider]

Yeah if all of us start thinking like that and live our life on probabilities then nothing will happen in our lives lol. Can you gurantee that cricketers wont be attacked during a match? Infact there are more chances of it happening during matches. Do you have anything else to say other than "Imran Khan - "there have been no terrorist attacks on cricketers"." I think this is the 5th time you guys have said it. Looks like some of you are hell bent on calling me or associating me with a pakistani directly or indirectly. Dont provoke me dude its offensive. You wont like it if i start calling you. And where have i said there have been no terrorist attacks on cricketers why do you always make stuff on your own. I replied to this point of yours yesterday.

If you are so sensitive you should cozy up in a blanket and put on Jerry Maguire and drink some hot chocolate. Your argument is completely analogous to Imran Khan's - it(attack on cricketers/location leak in WADA) hasn't happened till now so we shouldn't worry about it and will be called so. How do you know the chances of attacks happening in a match? Did you see the amount of security during the Chennai test against England - it was a bloody fortress. And after Lahore, it certainly won't be less in future matches.

[The Outsider]

And there is no gurantee that some WADA people will leak their info isnt it? Just like someone can bribe a WADA officer they can also bribe players driver or security guards right?

Yeah, there is no guarantee that they will leak the information, so which side would you err on? Jumping off the fifth floor or taking the stairs?