Damn you Men In Blue -- Shame Shame Shame

[vvvslaxman]

i'm not saying i want RD back in the team but someone who puts a price on his wicket n tries to stay till the end wen the ball is swinging about n concentrates on building partneships.SRT can see off a spell but expecting him to do it all the time is stupid.MS needs to come up in such situations imo

Are you suggesting Sehwag/Gambhir/Tendulkar are inept under swinging conditions? If anything Dravid is equally vulnerable in those conditions. Even assuming dravid could score 200 there In the entire series we just had one match where ball was zipping around. Rest of them were pancakes. We are missing the bigger picture. There are so many tiny factors that result in this series loss. For one thing we have a genuine leg spinner who picked up a fifer against on his debut against Australia. He didn't get a single game but our lethargic Munaf get 2 games.

[The Dark Horse]

Reason for series loss: 1.Poor fielding(and running b/w the wickets). 2.Lacklustre bowling. 3.Not using available resources/holding onto out-of-form-players. 4.Lack of partnerships.

[vvvslaxman]

Reason for series loss: 1.Poor fielding. 2.Lacklustre bowling. 3.Not using available resources/holding onto out-of-form-players. 4.Lack of partnerships.

Yup. there are several factors like this. This Australian team had lot of loopholes. For one thing Aussie fans are surprised Cam white is even scoring this many runs. They don't rate him at all. In this match they had a quiet a long tail.

[Params7]

Look at Austraila. They just picked a random bunch and played us. They do have weaknesses .

like what? their top 4 are WAY more consistent than our top 4. And they are just random bunch of people. Indian top 6 put together looks like >>>> Current World XI.

But the overall spirit they showed is much more than our seniors showed.

So we lost because we didn't play with spirits? Even though the sold out house full crowds were cheering their lungs out single ball for the Indians and were boo'ing Aussies?

Praveen Kumar is an youngster. Not an experienced campaigner by any means. So is jadeja. May be experience is the curse? May be we should pick more youngsters rather than "so caled experienced walls"?

Or maybe we should just pick the right team. As for your stat bashing, I'll counter with this again : Win the Compaq Cup in Sri Lanka's home ground when he made his comeback? Made 220+ against Pakistan in CT when we were on our way to a 170 all out..just like today? Dravid since his return was much better. He was playing continuously since what..2000? until he had a breakdown in 2007 and was begging to be dropped.

i'm not saying i want RD back in the team but someone who puts a price on his wicket n tries to stay till the end wen the ball is swinging about n concentrates on building partneships.SRT can see off a spell but expecting him to do it all the time is stupid.MS needs to come up in such situations imo

Yeah maybe giving Kohli more chances wouldn't have been a bad option? Point is, there needs to be Dravid or somebody like him in the MO. With a specialist anchorman Dhoni can go back to playing his natural game most of the time too.

[vvvslaxman]

lSo we lost because we didn't play with spirits? Even though the sold out house full crowds were cheering their lungs out single ball for the Indians and were boo'ing Aussies? .

Crowd has nothing to do with players performance. We performed well in Australia when there was no crowd backing. Indian fielders were not intent like Aussies who were diving for everything even on unfamiliar grounds. Our fielders were always late to react instead of anticipating. They were seriously lethargic. Not energy like Aussie team.

[vvvslaxman]

As for your stat bashing, I'll counter with this again : Win the Compaq Cup in Sri Lanka's home ground when he made his comeback? Made 220+ against Pakistan in CT when we were on our way to a 170 all out..just like today? .

Oh yea.. that is what we want . Honorable loss. We lost by 100 runs instead of 150 runs. What is the use of it anyway? Didn't he crawl and crawl by playing so many dot balls against Afridi?

[Lord]

Are you suggesting Sehwag/Gambhir/Tendulkar are inept under swinging conditions? If anything Dravid is equally vulnerable in those conditions. Even assuming dravid could score 200 there In the entire series we just had one match where ball was zipping around. Rest of them were pancakes. We are missing the bigger picture. There are so many tiny factors that result in this series loss. For one thing we have a genuine leg spinner who picked up a fifer against on his debut against Australia. He didn't get a single game but our lethargic Munaf get 2 games.

Sehwag certainly would try to hit out of trouble,which fails more than succeeds in such conditions,like it did today. wat i'm saying is that they cannot keep leaving the balls.they have a temptation of getting runs.it may very well work if u get boundaries,but there is also the risk of losing wickets

[The Dark Horse]

Sehwag certainly would try to hit out of trouble' date='which fails more than succeeds in such conditions,[b']like it did today. wat i'm saying is that they cannot keep leaving the balls.they have a temptation of getting runs.it may very well work if u get boundaries,but there is also the risk of losing wickets

Sehwag has a weakness to incoming deliveries directed at the stumps... Nathan Bracken, Hoggard, etc. all used to get his wicket in the same manner. But he has overcome that to some extent these days.

[vvvslaxman]

Sehwag has a weakness to incoming deliveries directed at the stumps... Nathan Bracken, Hoggard, etc. all used to get his wicket in the same manner. But he has overcome that to some extent these days.

Yes He exhibited that at Adelaide with match saving innings. There were several straight balls. He was dead straight with his bat position. Also the same in Srilanka. Having said that. That was a good delivery.

[Lord]

Sehwag has a weakness to incoming deliveries directed at the stumps... Nathan Bracken, Hoggard, etc. all used to get his wicket in the same manner. But he has overcome that to some extent these days.

I know yaar,i got flamed for suggesting that by m/s patriot n co..dunno where they r now. today he missed the ball totally,if he knew that ball was swinging he could have tried to get some bat onto it

[yoda]

This series has been anything but a team effort. We needed two special innings one from Dhoni and another from SRT to even make this series worth watching from an Indian fan's perspective. Overall, other than these two and Raina, and to an extent Sehwag, all the rest looked totally out of place. Anyways, regarding RD's selection, isn't it time someone other than him put their hand up for that role? Question is, are the selectors trying or have they tried all the talent that is available in the country? Tough to tell as I don't follow FC at all but it seems like something is missing.

[vvvslaxman]

I know yaar,i got flamed for suggesting that by m/s patriot n co..dunno where they r now. today he missed the ball totally,if he knew that ball was swinging he could have tried to get some bat onto it

Who knew Mitch Johnson would bowl inswingers. I have never rarely seen him bowl that. I have seen him try that often and fail miserably in England where every tom, dick and harry blasted him all over. :((

[The Dark Horse]

This series has been anything but a team effort. We needed two special innings one from Dhoni and another from SRT to even make this series worth watching from an Indian fan's perspective. Overall, other than these two and Raina, and to an extent Sehwag, all the rest looked totally out of place. Anyways, regarding RD's selection, isn't it time someone other than him put their hand up for that role? Question is, are the selectors trying or have they tried all the talent that is available in the country? Tough to tell as I don't follow FC at all but it seems like something is missing.

NOT AT ALL!

[vvvslaxman]

This series has been anything but a team effort. We needed two special innings one from Dhoni and another from SRT to even make this series worth watching from an Indian fan's perspective. Overall, other than these two and Raina, and to an extent Sehwag, all the rest looked totally out of place. Anyways, regarding RD's selection, isn't it time someone other than him put their hand up for that role? Question is, are the selectors trying or have they tried all the talent that is available in the country? Tough to tell as I don't follow FC at all but it seems like something is missing.

I think we have one of the strongest batting line up in the world. No question about that But did they click more often like Australia? Answer is no. Yuvraj 1 out of 5 Sehwag 0 out of 6 Tendulkar 1 out of 6 Dhoni 2 out of 6 Raina 2 out of 6 Gambhir 2 out of 5 This is how they performed. Inconsistency right through the line up. Once we fix that we will be back to our winning ways.

[Params7]

Oh yea.. that is what we want . Honorable loss. We lost by 100 runs instead of 150 runs.

That 50 runs more in each match sure would have been handy in the matches in this series right?

What is the use of it anyway? Didn't he crawl and crawl by playing so many dot balls against Afridi?

When those who did try to play him and Aamer, got out. And don't make me point out innings from Sachin and Dhoni like 7 of 19 balls or 16 of 32 in the 1st ODI in this tour, or Graeme Smith career best knock of 140 something in CT where he also had figures like 40 dot balls before before getting his 50. uhh..double standards. I'm done arguing with you anyways. And now from the looks of it Dravid himself won't allow himself to come back to ODI's unless he is insured the right deal, hope he makes the SL tests though.

[vvvslaxman]

Dravid is not good enough to replace anybody in that line up. Period. That you should know after watching India's success last 2 years. They are losing a series after 6 successive series wins. It was one of the closest series. Could have gone either way.

[Lord]

Who knew Mitch Johnson would bowl inswingers. I have never rarely seen him bowl that. I have seen him try that often and fail miserably in England where every tom' date=' dick and harry blasted him all over. :(([/quote'] are u serious,he has always had the ability to bowl it,remember Kuala lumpur game wen he got 4,he bowled one to Pathan that moved away

[vvvslaxman]

are u serious' date='he has always had the ability to bowl it,remember Kuala lumpur game wen he got 4,he bowled one to Pathan that moved away[/quote'] In India he kept trying. He couldn't bring the ball back at all. He just doesn't have the natural action to bowl inswingers. He said he is working on it. Today that was a peach. Almost Irfan pathansque on a good day.

[The Dark Horse]

That 50 runs more in each match sure would have been handy in the matches in this series right? When those who did try to play him and Aamer, got out. And don't make me point out innings from Sachin and Dhoni like 7 of 19 balls or 16 of 32 in the 1st ODI in this tour, or Graeme Smith career best knock of 140 something in CT where he also had figures like 40 dot balls before before getting his 50. uhh..double standards. I'm done arguing with you anyways. And now from the looks of it Dravid himself won't allow himself to come back to ODI's unless he is insured the right deal, hope he makes the SL tests though.

Whether Dravid could have made things better is another matter. But recalling him back to the ODIs was in itself a stupid decision. Once you take decisions, you got to go on with them. They take him, he performs decently, drop him again and we know the results. Now where will Chikka keep his face? If you have decided to go with Dravid, give him the long run or select a newcomer and give him the opportunity(Why go for Dravid?) . Dravid is not going to be available in 2 years from now, will he? They were neither here nor there. Selectors:sarcastic_hand:

[Lord]

Dravid is not good enough to replace anybody in that line up. Period. That you should know after watching India's success last 2 years. They are losing a series after 6 successive series wins. It was one of the closest series. Could have gone either way.

dont get fooled by that.most of the games today r on flat decks.the moment the ball has swungwe have struggled.we need someone who can assure we play 50 overs most of the time,if not in the XI certainly in the squad