Why does Yuvraj get so many chances in test match cricket

[Ram]

Alright... so you have become the first Yuseless fan to at least come out with a baseline of performance beyond potential. We'll touch base after the series in South Africa to see how many matches he won there or at the very minimum average in the 40s-50s.

So anything under an average of 40-50 according to you, is a failure?

[Karan114]

When are we playing in SAF?

End of this year

[kooljatt]

[The Outsider]

So anything under an average of 40-50 according to you' date=' is a failure?[/quote'] Either or clause.... Either he plays a significant part in winning us a test in South Africa or he averages in the 40s-50s in the series there. Anything less is a waste of time for someone we have invested 10 years and 30 tests in.

[Ram]

Either or clause.... Either he plays a significant part in winning us a test in South Africa or he averages in the 40s-50s in the series there. Anything less is a waste of time for someone we have invested 10 years and 30 tests in.

There's a reason why I asked you that question. Sachin Tendulkar averaged 38 in our last test series win in England. So, does that mean he was a failure in that series? I am glad you added that either or clause, but it'd be plainly stupid to establish a number-scale to judge the success of a batsmen in a series. After, in a 3 test match series, all it takes to bring the average down after two scores of 50 is an innings of single digits.

[The Outsider]

There's a reason why I asked you that question. Sachin Tendulkar averaged 38 in our last test series win in England. So, does that mean he was a failure in that series? I am glad you added that either or clause, but it'd be plainly stupid to establish a number-scale to judge the success of a batsmen in a series. After, in a 3 test match series, all it takes to bring the average down after two scores of 50 is an innings of single digits.

I am well aware of such factors and will not come out with any comments like, "Look look he averaged 34.8573249" if he is successful as a batsman in setting up a win there as Tendulkar did not once but twice in England. I'll gladly take just one. I think most sane cricket followers can make out the difference between a failed series, an ordinary series, and a success without going into number crunching.

[zen]

Also it has to be noted that not many doubt the ability of players like UV, Jaffar, etc to play in India :winky:

[Ram]

Though, I do agree that the coming test series in South Africa will probably the toughest litmus test Yuvraj has faced so far, even tougher than the Australia series down under. And we all saw how he performed there last time. The pitches there will be quick and they have two of the most fearsome fast bowlers going 'round.

[Mr. Wicket]

As long as they don't sacrifice a great batsman again (or two, as they did in Australia) just to allow Porky from Punjab a place in the XI where he can be shielded from the new ball...

[Ram]

As long as they don't sacrifice a great batsman again (or two' date=' as they did in Australia) just to allow Porky from Punjab a place in the XI where he can be shielded from the new ball...[/quote'] So left upto you, you would have actually dropped someone (Yuvraj) who made a series saving 160-odd when the team was reeling at 64-4 and picked someone (Sehwag) who wasnt even in the original probable squad, for the first test at Melbourne?

[The Outsider]

So left upto you' date=' you would have actually dropped someone (Yuvraj) who made a series saving 160-odd when the team was reeling at 64-4 and picked someone (Sehwag) who wasnt even in the original probable squad, for the first test at Melbourne?[/quote'] Yes, and it's not hindsight. I made the same posts at that time - you can dig them up.

[Mr. Wicket]

Yes. I said it back then that Sehwag had to be picked for the side, no matter what, and leaving him out was a mistake. Plenty of us did, in fact. Yuvraj may have made one series-saving hundred, Sehwag on the other hand had terrorized plenty of new ball bowlers in the past few years in all conditions and been a crucial component of our success in Australia in 2003-04 with his aggression at the top of the order. Leaving him out was a giant mistake. Worse still was moving Rahul Dravid to open just to accomodate Yuvraj in the middle order. :wall:

[The Outsider]

Though, I do agree that the coming test series in South Africa will probably the toughest litmus test Yuvraj has faced so far, even tougher than the Australia series down under. And we all saw how he performed there last time. The pitches there will be quick and they have two of the most fearsome fast bowlers going 'round.

Yeah and what use is for a country like India bloating up with batsmen to support someone over 10 years and 40 tests if he cannot perform in the toughest of conditions?

[Ram]

Yes' date=' and it's not hindsight. I made the same posts at that time - you can dig them up.[/quote']

Yes. I said it back then that Sehwag had to be picked for the side, no matter what, and leaving him out was a mistake. Plenty of us did, in fact. Yuvraj may have made one series-saving hundred, Sehwag on the other hand had terrorized plenty of new ball bowlers in the past few years in all conditions and been a crucial component of our success in Australia in 2003-04 with his aggression at the top of the order. Leaving him out was a giant mistake. Worse still was moving Rahul Dravid to open just to accomodate Yuvraj in the middle order. :wall:

Fine, I just wanted to know what you guys' opinion were.

[The Outsider]

http://indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=86599

[ViruRulez]

Yuvi will play vs south africa in the 2 tests.It will be the litmus test for him' date='if he fails then i beielve he will be dropped because there are too many young players who are waiting in the wings and too many old stars to replace.[/quote'] :dito: I agree that should be his last chance.. if he does not perform then just remove him from test squad .. I still feel that there are lot more better players than UV in test in the domestic circuit too like Vijay, Pujara, Dhawan etc. but still I would like to give him a last chance before dropping

[Ram]

And almost on queue, Cricinfo has done a piece on Yuvraj's test match travails. Worth reading, this;

Yuvraj Singh's internal battle There are two Yuvrajs. The confident one that turns up for ODIs and the imposter that stutters out for the Tests. Who will turn up in Mirpur? Sriram Veera in Mirpur January 23, 2010 It was a full toss and Yuvraj Singh charged down the track with his bat raised. You thought of a possibility of a six but the bat rotated in his hands just before the moment of impact and the ball only reached as far as mid-on, right into the waiting palms of Rubel Hossain. You couldn't escape the feeling that in one-day cricket, he would have hit it over long-on. Yuvraj let out a weary smile as he walked away. The smile was open to interpretation and it was a poignant moment. It has been said before that Yuvraj doesn't grind his way through tough periods, that he is not willing to look ugly. That unlike MS Dhoni, who has converted himself from an attacking warrior to a foot solider, Yuvraj continues to fall prey to his "natural game". In the second innings in Chittagong, he tried to graft. Rubel pinged him on the neck with a bouncer and hurled quite a few other short ones. It was a flat track and even as Yuvraj was struggling, Laxman seemed to possess ample time to play dismissive pulls. Yuvraj hopped, looked ungainly, and the experience could have hurt his ego but he didn't throw away his wicket. It was a start but he then gave it all away with a soft push straight to short cover. There are two Yuvrajs. The confident one that turns up for ODIs and the imposter that stutters out for the Tests. And even in ODIs where the ball does something, surprisingly, the same mistakes still persist. Unlike Rahul Dravid, he doesn't move forward quickly towards the ball. Unlike Virender Sehwag, he doesn't stay still and wait for the ball to come. Mostly, he is caught in between those two approaches. The right foot stutters out, he misreads the length or picks the length late, the back foot gets stuck on the leg stump line and the front leg swivels towards leg stump to maintain balance. The bat is already pressing down from the high back lift and he has almost no option but to chase the ball, away from the body. It happened in the tri-series final in Mirpur. It has happened on numerous occasions on seaming tracks. And one is yet to start talking about his much-publicised troubles against quality spin. Apart from the Bangladesh Tests, India are to play at least eight Tests this year. There are a few youngsters who are pushing for a spot. The noose is slowly tightening on Yuvraj. "When there is pressure on individuals due to a good bench strength, the competition brings the best out of the players," Dhoni said today when asked about the pressure on Yuvraj to hold his Test spot. "It's really good that players are pushing each other to get a slot in the middle order in the longer format. So it's good. The more the competition the better it is." There was no mention of Yuvraj to a direct question but the message was there between the lines. However, just when you think he is in a real peril, Yuvraj surprises you with a charming innings, like it happened in Bangalore against Pakistan, and against England in Chennai. On such days, everything looks imperious - the high back lift, the astonishingly clean swing of the bat, the gorgeous sense of timing and the sheer audacity to pull of breathtaking shots just makes you gasp. Then, very quickly, the imposter returns. Who will turn up in Mirpur?

http://www.cricinfo.com/bdeshvind2010/content/current/story/445541.html

[zen]

Let's hope the confident Yuvraj turns up as Ind could be going in to the game with 4 batsmen, 1 youngster and Yuvraj. So Yuvraj will have to take the opportunity and play well Ideally, if a team is playing 6 specialist batsmen, #6 is someone (if experienced) who is good enough to play test cricket and bat in one of the top 5 positions but can't get in because of the other 5 or someone (if an youngster) who is being groomed for test cricket

[f.b.m]

I dont have the time to put it out in full form but long story short, crap technique and crap temperament just cant make a test match batsman. MMs view is easily the most ridiculously pro yuseless one that I've seen.

[Texan]

Yuvraj is continuing in the test team because of the so called "chalta hai" attitude that prevails in India, where we tend to accept mediocrity as long as the work gets done. Until India keeps winning, Yuvraj's failures will continue to be accepted. What the selectors don't think though is - Does India have a better batsman for test matches? And the answer I'm afraid is YES. Not one, but many.