Reducing cricket to numbers

[Guest BossBhai]

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[vvvslaxman]

Imran Farhat > Hammond, Hobbs.. because these days nobody plays above 40. Amazingly preposterous logic. :cantstop:

[Roshanrocks]

Imran Farhat > Hammond, Hobbs.. because these days nobody plays above 40. Amazingly preposterous logic.

is that what you deduced by Bobbbhai's statement.... BB please tell me ur secret... what makes u tick...inspite of so much backlash n opposition to your views, you never tire putting them forth, your convictions and your cool is amazing... how do you do it? you seem to be the only one in the ofrum putting forth your views without using insulting similies and words..hw do u have so much patience?

[vvvslaxman]

is that what you deduced by Bobbbhai's statement.... BB please tell me ur secret... what makes u tick...inspite of so much backlash n opposition to your views, you never tire putting them forth, your convictions and your cool is amazing... how do you do it? you seem to be the only one in the ofrum putting forth your views without using insulting similies and words..hw do u have so much patience?

All roads lead to rome. All these weird little stats lead to discreditng bradman's achievements.If you can't see right through it get a pair of glass.

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[Roshanrocks]

All roads lead to rome. All these weird little stats lead to discreditng bradman's achievements.If you can't see right through it get a pair of glass.

:D someone is really angry here :D

[thevortex]

Actually yeah there were quite a few who did that in those days ... ever wonder why it no longer is possible despite overall fitness levels being higher these days?

Many reasons, Bossbhai. But anyway I dont know that there were about 10 or so gentlemen who pottered on in their old age and got a clutch of centuries at the highest level - even in those days. If you know of them, could you please share? Today - the public has very little time for old faces. The adage 'familiarity breeds contempt' has taken a new meaning nowadays. There are very few exceptions.

[King Tendulkar]

I am afraid I have not seen Jack Hobbs bat. So it would be impossible for me to say whether he would have been able to repeat his heroics in today's game. But then it is anybody's guess.

I have and it was awful. A comedy show.

[CSK Fan]

What the ****. You guys even turned this thread to a stats one :protest:

[The Outsider]

thats because I was talking about the overall scene from the begining ... bowlers infact start their decline much earlier ... but I wont be surprised if you twist that again to suit your needs ... or quite simply reject that. lets look at it again ... Jack Hobbs played 30 odd test matches and made quite a lot of runs against the supposedly the best side of those times after he was past 40 yrs. If that was not enough he went on to make a further One Hundred FC centuries over the next 13 yrs. This is simply NOT possible anymore today no matter what. Let me know if you agree with that or not.

So, if you are talking about the overall scene do you agree that the overall scene in the 70s to 90s was much crappier than today. I have the numbers also : 1. Through 70s-90s, 21 40+ year olds played. Since 2000, only 1 has played. 2. Through 70s-90s, 45 38+ year olds played. Since 2000, only 5 have played. And who knows what Hobbs would have done today? Maybe, with modern equipment, medical facilities, and training he would have played till the age of 60 and smashed another 100 First Class centuries. And who knows what Tendulkar would have done back then? Maybe, he would have contracted tuberculosis, which could have ended his career. Hobbs by all accounts was a great batsman. When a 42 year old Simpson can come out of a 10 year old retirement and score centuries against the likes of Bedi an Chandra, and a 46 year old Brian Close can score over a 100 runs against the likes of Holding and Roberts after being out of the test side for many years, I don't see any reason to doubt Hobbs' greatness because Simpson and Close were good and distinctly average batsmen respectively. Hobbs was an exception even for those times, but of course the "logics" that you use put Agarkar above Kapil Dev, so there really is no point trying to explain that to you. Quite a few ordinary to very good cricketers have played first class cricket well into their mid 40s like Gooch, Close, Lloyd, Lamb, Amiss. I don't see what's wrong with a genuine great doing so.

[King Tendulkar]

What the ****. You guys even turned this thread to a stats one :protest:

:hysterical::hysterical: Lies, Dammed lies and statistics:--D

[Dhondy]

What the ****. You guys even turned this thread to a stats one :protest:

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:Hehehehohohahaha, can't stop laughing!

[The Outsider]

ICF is driving up the search for Hobbs on cricinfo it seems : People busy using statsguru. :hysterical:

[Roshanrocks]

:D cricnfo is getting lot of hits coz of ICF we need share in advertising money :protest:

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[King Tendulkar]

^ True Outsider is making a ridiculous, farcical point. I have seen Hobbs bat on video. It shows him practicing. Can anyone post it? Its ridiculous and shows that Hobbs would not last more then 2 balls in modern cricket!

[Sachinism]

^ True Outsider is making a ridiculous, farcical point. I have seen Hobbs bat on video. It shows him practicing. Can anyone post it? Its ridiculous and shows that Hobbs would not last more then 2 balls in modern cricket!

I was watching Richie Benaud's Greatest XI DVD yesterday, got footage of a lot of oldies. When I get a chance I'll rip it and upload it

[The Outsider]

As always spout some ridiculous stuff just for the sake of argument. Can you not debate honestly ... without resorting to such ridiculous BS ? Pls dont bother responding if you want to proceed along those lines. You aint going to get any more respones from me anyhow. Feel free to introduce Jacks Hobbs as the real superman to your friends and family.

Back to your khisiyaani billi routine again when another one of your preposterous "theories" have been shown up for it's ridiculousness? :hysterical: 1. Through 70s-90s, 21 40+ year olds played. Since 2000, only 1 has played. 2. Through 70s-90s, 45 38+ year olds played. Since 2000, only 5 have played. Ergo, Tamim > Gavaskar, Agarkar > Kapil, Sami > Marshall (this one should please Imran)

^ True Outsider is making a ridiculous, farcical point.

Any more ridiculous and farcical than propounding a theory which says Sami is better than Marshall because there were more old people playing in Marshall's time than Sami's? :hysterical:

[Lurker]

Actually yeah there were quite a few who did that in those days ... ever wonder why it no longer is possible despite overall fitness levels being higher these days?

Yeah I do. And it is easy to explain(to everyone aside from you that is). There is such a thing called wear and tear. In a layman's term the longer you use something the more it breaks down (chances are). If on the other hand you use your resources judiciously you tend to use it for a longer period of time. Your criticism emanates from how Bradman and Hobbs have scored their runs(and hence put Sachin in their shadows which ultimately is your bigger concern). So please feel free to check how much cricket these gents played non-stop?? Please look at how life was at that time? Did they have to hob-nob through airport every other day? Did they live in era of gadgets and multiple gadgets? Did they carry around 7 bats everyday??? Did they keep playing for country(and/or money)? And when they were not playing did they spend entire time doing ads, or appearing at shows or doing fashion catwalks??? How many years did they lose thanks to war? And hence how many years did their bodies enjoyed extra instead of playing non-stop? Who do you think will have more wear and tear? Sachin or Bradman? And if the latter has less wear and tear why wont he able to play longer than Sachin?? xxxx

[The Outsider]

Yeah I do. And it is easy to explain(to everyone aside from you that is). There is such a thing called wear and tear. In a layman's term the longer you use something the more it breaks down (chances are). If on the other hand you use your resources judiciously you tend to use it for a longer period of time. Your criticism emanates from how Bradman and Hobbs have scored their runs(and hence put Sachin in their shadows which ultimately is your bigger concern). So please feel free to check how much cricket these gents played non-stop?? Please look at how life was at that time? Did they have to hob-nob through airport every other day? Did they live in era of gadgets and multiple gadgets? Did they carry around 7 bats everyday??? Did they keep playing for country(and/or money)? And when they were not playing did they spend entire time doing ads, or appearing at shows or doing fashion catwalks??? How many years did they lose thanks to war? And hence how many years did their bodies enjoyed extra instead of playing non-stop? Who do you think will have more wear and tear? Sachin or Bradman? And if the latter has less wear and tear why wont he able to play longer than Sachin?? xxxx

There are other reasons as well for early retirement of modern players, but have a nice time trying to explain them to BB : 1. Cricket was a means of livelihood for many cricketers and so they kept on playing First Class cricket till much later in their lives. Today, with the number of media openings and other avenues of income they can move on to other things once it becomes taxing. 2. First Class cricket these days is primarily an avenue for entering the national teams, so once players are above a certain age, they would move on to alternate professions. 3. Modern cricket involves a lot of travel and time away from the family which becomes difficult after a certain age. People playing in earlier times could play First Class cricket and a test series at home during the season and go on an overseas tour once in 2 years or so. Much easier to adjust family commitments in that setting.