straight.drive Posted June 6, 2010 Posted June 6, 2010 Heh..every leader in the muslim world thinks himself to be a re-incarnation of saladin . First it was saddam and now this nutcase of a turk.
hari504504 Posted June 6, 2010 Author Posted June 6, 2010 Heh..every leader in the muslim world thinks himself to be a re-incarnation of saladin . First it was saddam and now this nutcase of a turk. This one is a Saladin... especially being a NATO member..he is no Saddam, if NATO doesn't intervene in a Turkish-Israeli skirmish, then serious questions will arise on the meaning of having such an organziation..
EnterTheVoid Posted June 6, 2010 Posted June 6, 2010 Hamas have proved that they can stick to a ceasfire- they did so in 2008. It was the Israelis who broke it. This is aside from the illegal settlement building and the UN resolutions they break. You realistically expect Israel to enter negotiations with someone who deny their existence ? ...and Israel dosent...? :hmmm: What if Israel do ? Is it a crime to depend on your allies to help you financially, militarily ?
EnterTheVoid Posted June 6, 2010 Posted June 6, 2010 For you Sooda, the unedited transmission between IDF and the flotilla [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dE2StbDL_Q]YouTube- Unedited Radio Transmission Between Gaza Flotilla and Israeli Navy[/ame]
yoda Posted June 6, 2010 Posted June 6, 2010 What authority does Turkey have to dictate what goes through Israeli territory ? Israel has repeatedly said that the aid will go through after its screened at their posts. Is that too unreasonable a request ? Will Turkey let a flotilla through to protest the Armenian genocide ? My guess, probably not. That is to logical for the fans of hamas! Hmm....you think all these countries are going crazy over complaining about Israel monitoring it's own territory? This is like India blocking the border between Pak and China saying Chinese arms are getting into Pak which will be used against us. Would be great if we can do it, but would be unacceptable to everyone else.
King Tendulkar Posted June 6, 2010 Posted June 6, 2010 Hmm....you think all these countries are going crazy over complaining about Israel monitoring it's own territory? This is like India blocking the border between Pak and China saying Chinese arms are getting into Pak which will be used against us. Would be great if we can do it, but would be unacceptable to everyone else. Wrong it is like India stopping arms going in to Kashmir! What do you expect Israel to do. Follow the PC brigade and allow arms to go in to Jihadi Hamas and then let Israelis get killed. Strangley Israel is doing everything in their power to stop their citizens being killed.
King Tendulkar Posted June 6, 2010 Posted June 6, 2010 Hmm....you think all these countries are going crazy over complaining about Israel monitoring it's own territory? This is like India blocking the border between Pak and China saying Chinese arms are getting into Pak which will be used against us. Would be great if we can do it, but would be unacceptable to everyone else. Like you state, It would indeed be great if we could do it. Thus put yourself in the Israeli shoes, its great they can do it as it further protects their citizens!
Clarke Posted June 6, 2010 Posted June 6, 2010 Hmm....you think all these countries are going crazy over complaining about Israel monitoring it's own territory? This is like India blocking the border between Pak and China saying Chinese arms are getting into Pak which will be used against us. Would be great if we can do it, but would be unacceptable to everyone else. Ur comparing war and proxy war, two completely different scenarios. If China exports military technology to Pak, its a legal transaction. If it sells arms and ammunition to JuD, India can intervene, provided it can deal with the response. Somehow i get a feeling, the condemnation is just something that seems to be the right thing to do. U can claim to be neutral internationally, avoid freaking out the jihadists living in ur country and most importantly need to ensure that ur oil supply is not threatened. If EU or USA had been serious, they would've placed atleast some basic sanctions in terms of annual aid or arms business. Even if the EU were to cut ties with Israel, it would be an opportunity for China & India.
achilles Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Israel is going too far. They are turning the very few friends they have in the Muslim community against them. I won't be surprised if all of them come together and do something drastic against Israel.
EnterTheVoid Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Israel is going too far. They are turning the very few friends they have in the Muslim community against them. I won't be surprised if all of them come together and do something drastic against Israel. Such as ?
f2000560 Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 That is to logical for the fans of hamas! supporters of the plaestinians need not be fans of hamas. having said that such bluster will have very little effect on israel palestines need to be serious about talks. but it doesn't help that israel has a hawkish tilt in recent years as well .
hari504504 Posted June 7, 2010 Author Posted June 7, 2010 Such as ? Weapons through Egypt's part of the border...if Israel hits Egypt then it will be the Crusades all over again...Islam vs the West..Iran is apparently very close to having nukes. Pakistan is one revolution short of distributing its nukes among its brothers....Israel needs to calm down before it takes half a billion people down wtih it.
achilles Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Israel needs to calm down before it takes half a billion people down wtih it. They sure do. Well put.
EnterTheVoid Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Weapons through Egypt's part of the border...if Israel hits Egypt then it will be the Crusades all over again...Islam vs the West..Iran is apparently very close to having nukes. Pakistan is one revolution short of distributing its nukes among its brothers....Israel needs to calm down before it takes half a billion people down wtih it. ------------- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francop_Affair http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67b_1275959417
Clarke Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Interesting article which prolly reasons out Turkey's sudden enthusiasm: You probably think the flotilla is about the Palestinian people. Well, yes and no. For much of the last six decades, the Palestinian 'cause' has really been a Palestinian 'card' used by regional powers in the region aspiring for pre-eminence in the Middle East. This is the First Law of Middle Eastern Geopolitics-if you want to be the leader of region, you must first show your support for the Palestinian cause by poking Israel in the eye. The Second Law is that once you have played the Palestinian card, you can move on to your real agenda. Egypt-once the "leader of the Arabs" in the 1960s-fought two wars with Israel before settling for a peace deal in the 1970s. It now gets large sums of money in aid from the United States. Ayatollah Khomeini's Iran then pressed its claims for leadership of the region, and promptly used Syrian and Lebanese proxies to strike Israel. Iran's Sunni Arab neighbours didn't like the idea of a radical Shia regime grabbing the mantle of regional leadership and Saddam Hussein stepped up to challenge the Khomeini's Islamic Republic. He even lobbed several Scud missiles towards the Jewish state, in return for which he received Yasser Arafat's endorsement. Iraq lost the war. So did the Palestinians actually, who became suspect in the eyes of the Kuwaitis and other Gulf Arab states. With both Iran and Iraq under sanctions in the 1990s, the mantle of leadership of the Middle East fell upon the sophisticated shoulders of Saudi Arabia. The Saudis, unlike previous claimants to Middle Eastern leadership, didn't launch tanks, proxies or missiles at Israel. Instead they launched a roadmap. It went nowhere-although, as they say in diplomatese, it is still on the table. Meanwhile the Iranians got caught working on a nuclear weapons project. The worried Saudis let it be known that they might not be averse to Israeli jets flying over their airspace just in case, you know, the Israelis want to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities. That's because Riyadh calculates that balancing the Iranians is more important than is midwifing a Palestinian state. Despite appearances and rhetoric, the interests of Saudi Arabia and Israel are aligned over preventing Iran from dominating the region. Neither Egypt nor Iraq qualify for a place at the top of the Middle Eastern league today. Thanks to the US wars that weakened its two big neighbours, Iraq and Afghanistan, Iran is certainly a contender. So is Saudi Arabia. Last week, Turkey announced that it has joined the race, and, in accordance with the diktats of the First Law, played the Palestinian card. The flotilla was a strategic masterstroke-the moment it set sail, Turkey won and Israel lost. If it had been allowed to pass through, Turkey would be seen has having broken Israel's will. If the flotilla were stopped, Turkey would be the leader of an international chorus condemning Israel for blockading the Palestinians. "Turkey," Samuel Huntington wrote in The Clash of Civilizations, "has the history, population, middle level of economic development, national coherence, and military tradition and competence to be the core state of Islam. In explicitly defining Turkey as a secular society, however, Ataturk prevented the Turkish republic from succeeding the Ottoman empire in that role." One of the most astute -- if controversial-political scientists of the 20th century, Huntington noted that "[at] some point, Turkey could be ready to give up its frustrating and humiliating role as a beggar for membership in the West and to resume its much more impressive and elevated historical role as the principal Islamic interlocutor and antagonist of the West. But to do so it would have to reject Ataturk's legacy..." This was in 1996, six years before Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Adalet ve Kalkinma Partisi (AKP) came to power. http://in.news.yahoo.com/columnist/nitin_pai/3/the-palestinian-card ============= seems like padosis have competition in terms of being the torch bearer of the Islamic world :winky:
hari504504 Posted June 9, 2010 Author Posted June 9, 2010 Great Article there Clarke.. the breaking point is going to happen when the Padosis pass some Torches around instead of just bearing them..Or when Iran makes a Torch of its own..;-)
EnterTheVoid Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 The Arab countries waging a war on Israel over Palestine. LOL. :headshake:
Clarke Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Great Article there Clarke.. the breaking point is going to happen when the Padosis pass some Torches around instead of just bearing them..Or when Iran makes a Torch of its own..;-) hey, not that torch, that's just outright scary
hari504504 Posted June 10, 2010 Author Posted June 10, 2010 The Arab countries waging a war on Israel over Palestine. LOL. :headshake: we're not talking about the gulf countries...not the Arabs... but Turkey,Syria,Egypt,Iran. It is very much a possiblity
Clarke Posted June 10, 2010 Posted June 10, 2010 we're not talking about the gulf countries...not the Arabs... but Turkey' date='Syria,Egypt,Iran. It is very much a possiblity[/quote'] :headshake: not gonna happen.
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