Was there spot-fixing in IPL?

[urbestfriend]

On Tuesday, former Indian all-rounder Atul Wassan said in New Delhi that Indian Premier League (IPL) cricketers were approached for spot-fixing over the last two-and-a-half years. He said a couple of IPL players, whom he would not name, confided to him that they had been approached for spot-fixing which they had turned down.

http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_atul-wassan-s-no-ball-will-it-bowl-out-ipl_1431868 Atul Wasan says many players were approached, now there is every possibility that some of these players have been lured. Spot fixing is too easy and difficult to prove ( Especially in IPL where bookies have almost free access to cricketers in IPL night parties etc. Whats the guarantee that Owners don't indulge in spot-fixing to make quick bucks. Do you think IPL is susceptible to spot fixing? :nervous:

[Zap_Brannigan]

http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_atul-wassan-s-no-ball-will-it-bowl-out-ipl_1431868 Atul Wasan says many players were approached, now there is every possibility that some of these players have been lured. Spot fixing is too easy and difficult to prove :(( Especially in IPL where bookies have almost free access to cricketers in IPL night parties etc. Whats the guarantee that Owners don't indulge in spot-fixing to make quick bucks. Do you think IPL is susceptible to spot fixing? :nervous:

IPL is paki free..hence no fixing. Maybe in the 1st IPL, but aktar barely played, afridi barely scored so no one would have bet on him anyway..maybe tanvir and defn. akmal. Most of the owners are billionaires that a few million doesnt make a difference. Besides, like i said, even if they did ask a player, only pakis would accept it. Last 2 IPL's and CL has been paki free!! Infact, the Champions league tag line should be "Champions league!! Cricket, now Paki free!! Cricket you can trust!!

[Nova]

Ofcourse..it's susceptible. You would be naive to think other wise. This is what Kumble had to say:

Is there a vulnerability among the young players? You play the IPL, you crossing the generation, do you believe that the Indian young cricketers will once again be vulnerable like the Pakistanis were? Is that a real threat? Threat is temptation. The temptations are going to be there, the more you play the more hype you get and today if you look at any young player who plays a brilliant knock in an IPL is treated as the next greatest Indian cricketer, so all these factors add up. But having said that you need a lot of hand holding and like there was a senior group which did that and that's where BCCI in principle has agreed and we need to sit down and work on how to take this forward. But it is essential because when a 16-17 year old gets into an IPL, he doesn't bother about the education he needs to undergo, so that goes for a six. It certainly helps you resist the temptations and keeping the balance because when you take key decisions you are all alone. Do you believe that spot-fixing could take place in India? Yes, it can happen not just in India but anywhere in the world, its not that temptations are only for Indians and Pakistanis, it can be for anyone. It's a world problem, that's the reason when a Hansie Cronje [ Images ] came out in the open and confessed nobody believed it because he was not an Indian or a Pakistani, so I don't agree to that. Yes, we need to be cautious in India but having said that the problem between India and Pakistan is totally different. If you look at the Pakistani cricketer today there is no guarantee that Pakistan would play any cricket at all because if you look at their calendar in the last one and half years they have never played in Pakistan and this was the first opportunity they had of playing a Test series away from home in England, so for them they were only looking short term and never looked at long term. In terms of Indian cricketers they have the IPL and also the system itself is pretty strong, but you need to be careful. Have you ever heard about the rumours that players have been approached in the IPL? No, Never! http://cricket.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/31/pakistan-match-fixing-anil-kumble-pakistan-england-odis-must-be-stopped.htm

[saneindian]

If everyone seems to be saying yes spot fixing does appear, I wonder why it is so difficult to catch even one culprit with proof. Am sure for the ICC's ACSU or for any of the investigating agencies, it will not be that difficult a task if fixing was so rampant as suggested by so many ex-cricketers.

[Gunner_Mania]

If everyone seems to be saying yes spot fixing does appear' date=' I wonder why it is so difficult to catch even one culprit with proof. Am sure for the ICC's ACSU or for any of the investigating agencies, it will not be that difficult a task if fixing was so rampant as suggested by so many ex-cricketers.[/quote'] It is difficult to catch. Let me give you an example. You are one of those obscure bowlers in one of the IPL teams, somebody that nobody gives a big deal about. If you are selected in the team you are guaranteed to have a bowl. Now I approach you and say I will pay you x amount if you will concede 8 runs in the first over you bowl. and that is all the deal is. Now in the overall scheme of the things, that 8 runs may or may not make a difference to the match, but how many people do you think will notice if a bowler bowls an over in T20 and concedes 8 runs in his first over and think, now is that over spot fixed?.

[Sachinism]

If everyone seems to be saying yes spot fixing does appear' date=' I wonder why it is so difficult to catch even one culprit with proof. Am sure for the ICC's ACSU or for any of the investigating agencies, it will not be that difficult a task if fixing was so rampant as suggested by so many ex-cricketers.[/quote'] There could be a very some high profile people are involved so things get squashed quickly

[saneindian]

It is difficult to catch. Let me give you an example. You are one of those obscure bowlers in one of the IPL teams' date=' somebody that nobody gives a big deal about. If you are selected in the team you are guaranteed to have a bowl. Now I approach you and say I will pay you x amount if you will concede 8 runs in the first over you bowl. and that is all the deal is. Now in the overall scheme of the things, that 8 runs may or may not make a difference to the match, but how many people do you think will notice if a bowler bowls an over in T20 and concedes 8 runs in his first over and think, now is that over spot fixed?.[/quote'] Fair enough, but assuming the bowler is a habitual offender (like most guys who will be in touch with a bookie, a bookie will keep coming back with more money and more fixing options), the investigators can definitely put him on the watch and he will surely leave behind some proof somewhere of his dealings with bookies. Have to say that there has been a complete lack of will on the part of ICC to stamp out corruption from the game. Either the betting lobby is too powerful, too strong and too influential or the ICC/boards don't want to dig deep into this issue.

[Gunner_Mania]

Have to say that there has been a complete lack of will on the part of ICC to stamp out corruption from the game. Either the betting lobby is too powerful, too strong and too influential or the ICC/boards don't want to dig deep into this issue.

This I absolutely agree with. The ICC are just making noises but seem to simply a) lack the will power to tackle this menance and b) don't think are serious enough about weeding it out of the game.

[jf1gp_1]

This I absolutely agree with. The ICC are just making noises but seem to simply a) lack the will power to tackle this menance and b) don't think are serious enough about weeding it out of the game.

Pawar is scared to take any action against Pak for obvious reasons

[Gunner_Mania]

Pawar is scared to take any action against Pak for obvious reasons

This has got nothing to do with Pawar. What do you think there was no spot fixing or match fixing before Pawar became ICC president?

[jf1gp_1]

This has got nothing to do with Pawar. What do you think there was no spot fixing or match fixing before Pawar became ICC president?

I dont know if there was or wasnt nothing was out in open but now that it is what is stopping ICC from talking firmly with PCB and ensuring none of the accused players are in playing XI till their names are cleared

[Desi Cartman]

why do we have to question our players and tournaments when the pakis have been found taking money. I dont know if Indian players have fixed matches but I am sure that if Indians are involved then I'm 100% sure that players from other countries are always involved.

[Roshanrocks]

why are all these people coming to the press now? australians... bangladeshis.. and now Atul Wasanese how many more will com out with more such stories? even DC came out a few days ago with a story about his aunt :--D

[Gunner_Mania]

^ ICC can't. It is a criminal investigation right now, they can't jump in and make any decisions. IF ICC force PCB to drop the players without anything being proven, an half arsed lawyer will have the PCB/ICC dragged through the courts.

[Desi Cartman]

why are all these people coming to the press now? australians... bangladeshis.. and now Atul Wasanese how many more will com out with more such stories? even DC came out a few days ago with a story about his aunt :--D

lol at wassan talking , wasnt he the ram lila announcer for ICL :dontknow:

[HowardRoark]

why do we have to question our players and tournaments when the pakis have been found taking money. I dont know if Indian players have fixed matches but I am sure that if Indians are involved then I'm 100% sure that players from other countries are always involved.

+1 Because self loathers cannot let go of an excellent opporunity to do what they are good at.

[The Outsider]

^ ICC can't. It is a criminal investigation right now' date=' they can't jump in and make any decisions. IF ICC force PCB to drop the players without anything being proven, an half arsed lawyer will have the PCB/ICC dragged through the courts.[/quote'] Huh? What are you talking about? It's commonplace for companies to suspend employees while they are under investigation.

[Gunner_Mania]

Huh? What are you talking about? It's commonplace for companies to suspend employees while they are under investigation.

I wasn't talking about temporary suspension, in fact I think I suggested the same thing on a different thread (too many threads on this subject), I was talking about a ban by the ICC or the ICC forcing the PCB without anything being proven.

[The Outsider]

I wasn't talking about temporary suspension' date=' in fact I think I suggested the same thing on a different thread (too many threads on this subject), I was talking about a ban by the ICC or the ICC forcing the PCB without anything being proven.[/quote'] Even there the ICC/PCB are free to carry out their own internal inquiries and announce a ban according to their laws and contracts. So for example, it might be very difficult to implicate the players in a criminal case because it would be very difficult to prove that bets were made in accordance to the inside information, but the players are clearly in violation of ICC's code of conduct by willfully preventing the normal course of play. That part is not difficult to prove and a ban can be made on the basis of that. But yeah, even that inquiry is going to take some time.

[Gunner_Mania]

Even there the ICC/PCB are free to carry out their own internal inquiries and announce a ban according to their laws and contracts. So for example, it might be very difficult to implicate the players in a criminal case because it would be very difficult to prove that bets were made in accordance to the inside information, but the players are clearly in violation of ICC's code of conduct by willfully preventing the normal course of play. That part is not difficult to prove and a ban can be made on the basis of that. But yeah, even that inquiry is going to take some time.

Yes, but they won't be for example able to do it right now, while a criminal investigation is still on. If anything they will be able to do once this bit of investigation is completed. I was responding the fact that the poster said that because Sharad Pawar was president of ICC now nothing would happen to Pakistan.