Should Mohammad Amir be banned or rehabilitated, if found guilty?

[Rajiv]

Welcome back Doc!

Atleast something good came out of this fiasco, trust dhondy to write a post making sense

[hitman1980]

Ban him or leave it .. One thing is sure .. Pakis will not give up fixing matches .. U have waqar, ijaz ahmed as coaching staff.. so wht can u expect from this team .. This all small kid stuff is BS .. Even a boy of age 12 can tell u wht is right or wrong .. But then these r pakis .. their IQ level r world renowned .. Btw I am sure eng and aus too r involved in match fixing .. U guys remember how in last few tests ricky opted for batting first even on a green tops .. And these collapses of england team .. I tell u guys these aus and eng r the world biggest match fixers .. But they know how to deal with bookies ..

[achilles]

I know a lot of Pakistanis and I am like living and working among them..Main thing with them' date=' all these socially accepted right or wrong dont work with them... They have their own rights and wrongs which is driven by their own interests.. You do whatever you want i.e go and kill anyone, there will be your family and the people around you to support you and bail you out of the trouble.. If you have money, you can do anything in Pakistan. If you don't have money, you will be far away from any justice you deserve. You can murder someone and go to police station, pay some amount to police and you are out of it.. Money and the relationship which money can buy rule there..I am not surprised when I heard that these players are into fixing, as this is like normal thing for them.. The country's situation is like this.. I have interacted with people from different nationalities, and if you tell me to rank all on the basis of moral and social values, Pakistanis lie in the very bottom of the table.[/quote'] Sometimes, I feel really sad for my brothers from Pakistan. We are THE SAME COUNTRY but while India chose to do the good thing, taking the right decisions, Pakistan took the side of evil.

[saneindian]

Let him off lightly and the message that gets sent out is "at 18 one can get away with any crime". He will come back on cricket field and do something more sinister.

[The Outsider]

I'll give an analogy from academia. What differentiates a good university from a poor one? A lot of things, but amongst them and very high on the list is intellectual honesty. Cheating is a huge offense, really big. In fact in places like Caltech there are no 'official' checks on cheating but they are bound by an honor system. Anyone found in breach of the honor system is immediately disbarred. If there is a take home exam and the professor says that even if it's a take home exam you are not allowed to use any books, no one uses them. If someone does, he is named, shamed, and chucked out from the university. How old are these people? 17-22! But they grow the good and common sense to decide between right and wrong and the implications of being wrong even at that young age, a trait which they hopefully will carry through for the rest of their lives. There is not a single 18 year old from any background that I have met who does not know that taking a bribe is wrong, that cheating is wrong, that swindling is a crime. Sympathy for Amir is nauseating. I was earlier advocating a 5 year ban for him, but after seeing the despicable sympathy for him from all quarters I say ban the fker for life and let him manufacture generators to light up his scummy village. Fking cheater and scum of the earth!

[Dhondy]

Who'd want to play cricket with Pakistan again? You can only take people for a ride so many times.

[asterix]

I'll give an analogy from academia. What differentiates a good university from a poor one? A lot of things, but amongst them and very high on the list is intellectual honesty. Cheating is a huge offense, really big. In fact in places like Caltech there are no 'official' checks on cheating but they are bound by an honor system. Anyone found in breach of the honor system is immediately disbarred. If there is a take home exam and the professor says that even if it's a take home exam you are not allowed to use any books, no one uses them. If someone does, he is named, shamed, and chucked out from the university. How old are these people? 17-22! But they grow the good and common sense to decide between right and wrong and the implications of being wrong even at that young age, a trait which they hopefully will carry through for the rest of their lives. There is not a single 18 year old from any background that I have met who does not know that taking a bribe is wrong, that cheating is wrong, that swindling is a crime. Sympathy for Amir is nauseating. I was earlier advocating a 5 year ban for him, but after seeing the despicable sympathy for him from all quarters I say ban the fker for life and let him manufacture generators to light up his scummy village. Fking cheater and scum of the earth!

Janaab.. That is a top post...:two_thumbs_up:

[asterix]

Who'd want to play cricket with Pakistan again? You can only take people for a ride so many times.

They have solutions for everything..If you don't play then they can blame you for not honouring the commitments of FTP and deliberately hurting them and the 'cricket crazy people of Pakist' and that might result in people 'falling in the hands of Jihadis' and increase in terrorist attacks all ove the Globe and especially India as they see that this is an Indian 'shajish'.. Pakistan..has been blessed on this World..Njoy!!

[Rajan]

If Aamir is the victim, who is the perpetrator? Using poverty as mitigation is just fay. Eighteen year olds are poor the world over, not just in Pakistan. Aamir, at 18, is looking at riches beyond his wildest imagination, if he stays fit. Even a nobody like Shoaib Malik had the means to pay several crores in compensation to his first wife before he could make off with Sania. Pakistani cricketers are rich, not just as rich as Indian cricketers. Besides, if far more impoverished cricketers such as Saqib and Tamim could turn down temptations, why not Aamir? No, Atherton's somewhat hamhanded attempt to generalise the issue stems from his loathing of BCCI and IPL. Not that I have any love for IPL myself... in fact it was singlehandedly responsible for destroying my interest in the game.... but Atherton would have been singing a different tune had he been one of the beneficiaries. You always find a subconscious way of justifying your outrage if the spoils are to be had by others.

absolutely agree with you 100%. top post.

[Rajan]

So let me get this straight. Amir is old enough to sign sponsorship deals with Pepsi, Boom Boom and other sponsers. Amir is old enough to be called street smart and mature in his bowling. Amir is old enough to accept thousands of pounds from a supposed match fixer. And Amir is certainly old enough to be given the new ball, accept awards like running for the young/breakthrough cricketer or the year award. But he's too young and naive when he cheats and communicates with a fixing agent?? Gimme a freakin' break. If you were 17/18 in college/university and were caught cheating during a test would you expect the professor/teacher to pat you on the back and say "Never mind son, you are young and naive and were probably lead astray by other more mature students?" or Would you expect to be dragged out of the room and in the very least expelled for some significant amount of time no matter how intelligent you were? YES it's sad, YES it sucks. But right is right and wrong is wrong. I was brought up to believe that when you do something wrong deliberately, you accept your wrong doing, accept the responsibility and punishment AND then learn from it and try your best not to do it again. In order for Amir to be given a 2nd chance or for any leniancy doesn't he actually have to admit his wrong doing and show some kind of remorse and dedication in never letting it happen again? As far as Assif is concerned, this cheat has been given chance after chance after chance and all he's done is spit on this game. Ban him for life.

very good,valid ,fair points

[gult]

If Amir is really forced to do this, he would have come out and told about it openly. No sympathy at all until he does it. Nobody is going to believe he's innocent after seeing the all the pictures and videos.

[Cricket_Guru]

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[Macj]

somehow i have a feeling that NOTW would still have some aces up their sleeves which they have not disclosed to the public till now. when their new issue comes out' date=' they may surprise us with even more proof . read somewhere that they have submitted almost 20 hours taped video as evidence.i hope they have enough evidence to nail these crooks and ensure that all the supporters, sympathy brigade and apologists drop the pakis as hot potatoes.[/quote'] I doubt they can routinely release footage ala RadarOnline's Gibson tapes, as this is now a criminal investigation and that would be considered withholding information and is in itself a crime.

[EnterTheVoid]

Is this a joke ? Do the crime, do the time, simple as that.

[Guest BossBhai]

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[Mamu]

I'll give an analogy from academia. What differentiates a good university from a poor one? A lot of things, but amongst them and very high on the list is intellectual honesty. Cheating is a huge offense, really big. In fact in places like Caltech there are no 'official' checks on cheating but they are bound by an honor system. Anyone found in breach of the honor system is immediately disbarred. If there is a take home exam and the professor says that even if it's a take home exam you are not allowed to use any books, no one uses them. If someone does, he is named, shamed, and chucked out from the university. How old are these people? 17-22! But they grow the good and common sense to decide between right and wrong and the implications of being wrong even at that young age, a trait which they hopefully will carry through for the rest of their lives. There is not a single 18 year old from any background that I have met who does not know that taking a bribe is wrong, that cheating is wrong, that swindling is a crime. Sympathy for Amir is nauseating. I was earlier advocating a 5 year ban for him, but after seeing the despicable sympathy for him from all quarters I say ban the fker for life and let him manufacture generators to light up his scummy village. Fking cheater and scum of the earth!

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: Oh My God, Oh My God !!! I am not even sure why you brought Calltech up? Let us see Caltech Graduates vs Madrassah Graduates. (80% of those guys behave like one -- including some on this forum)

[EnterTheVoid]

Aamer may be older than is claimed because of a tendency in some Pakistan villages to be tardy in the matter of registering births and deaths, but he is still plainly lost in an unfamiliar world and without the hint of a fatherly or avuncular hand on his shoulder.

Link: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/james-lawton-pakistan-should-be-ashamed-of-the-way-aamer-has-been-left-abused-and-exposed-2069940.html

[The Outsider]

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: Oh My God, Oh My God !!! I am not even sure why you brought Calltech up? Let us see Caltech Graduates vs Madrassah Graduates. (80% of those guys behave like one -- including some on this forum)

Think you missed the analogy. I was trying to say that if ICC aspires to be a top notch sporting body it should place honesty very high in it's list of priorities, like world class academic institutes do even for 18-20 year olds.

[riwi999]

Life ban. 18 is old enough to know that what he was doing was wrong. If he gets away because of the age factor, it will encourage guys to get into crime as young as possible. "If you get caught, use your age to your advantage" is what they will learn. And all this about how badly cricket needs a great bowler like him? What rubbish!!! Cricket needs integrity, that is what it DESPERATELY needs. I find it extremely annoying that ex-players, commentators, journalists romanticise Aamer. Or for that matter try to justify or rationalise his actions. I hope they realise that they are endangering the game of cricket with their comments. By showing sympathy for such acts and actors, they are accomplices to the crime. Still can't get over the "act" he put on immediately after bowling that no-ball. Innocent, my foot!!!

[Feed]

We must not show any sympathy : Alec Stewart It Has been a very bad week for cricket, with front page headlines highlighting the darker side of the sport. More... We must not show any sympathy By Alec Stewart 5/09/2010 It Has been a very bad week for cricket, with front page headlines highlighting the darker side of the sport. The allegations aimed at Pakistan captain Salman Butt, and bowlers Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir - for spot fixing during the final Test at Lord's has rocked the cricket world. Unfortunately, and most disappointingly, this has not come as a surprise to me. Pakistan cricket has been invo l ved in previous unsavoury incidents and it's not the first time that players have been accused of being bought by the underworld of illegal gambling. During the late 1990s, when the illegal bookmaker first raised its ugly head, players from around the world were found guilty of match-fixing and wrongdoing, with the former South African captain Hansie Cronje one of the more high-profile casualties. The ICC, as the governing body of international cricket, has since done its best, but has been unable to stem this most serious and damaging problem. I must stress that although the three players have all been suspended and charged by the ICC, they are innocent until proven guilty. But there must be enough alleged evidence of irregular behaviour during the final Test for all three to be extremely worried for their immediate and long-term futures in the game. The ICC's anti-corruption unit (ACU) will analyse all the evidence and then a decision will be made. With the Metropolitan Police also involved, we can be assured that a thorough and proper investigation will take place. While watching and commentating on the game last week, at no stage did it enter my head that anything underhand was taking place. Even when the highly talented Amir bowled the two huge no-balls, my first thought was that he just wanted to intimidate the batsman. This type of thing has happened on numerous occasions when a bowler is frustrated at a partnership forming or a particular batsman has upset him, but to do it to order knowing that you will be rewarded illegally is different altogether. Amir, 18, could go on to be one of the greatest bowlers of our time, but now we must wait to see if he will ever appear on a cricket field again. I have heard and read that more sympathy should be shown to him than the other two more senior players due to his inexperience, but I can't go along with that. International cricketers nowadays are made fully aware of the consequences of any wrongdoing and, with match referees and ACU officials present at every game reminding the players of the implications, there is no excuse. I accept the Pakistan players are not paid well by their own board compared to the majority of Test-playing nations, but that is still no reason to get involved with the wrong people. News came out last week of two Australian cricketers having been approached by possible illegal bookmakers, but they immediately alerted their team management, who passed it on to the ACU. If these allegations are true, why didn't the Pakistanis do the same? For the good of the game anyone found guilty - however young or old - must be heavily punished, which will send out a severe warning to any cricketer. There is no guarantee these sort of allegations will never arise again and I only hope this is not just the tip of an ugly iceberg.