Wikileaks

[Clarke]

NEW DELHI: American diplomats have warned India to prepare itself for potential embarrassment from the expected release by WikiLeaks of three million confidential U.S. diplomatic cables. The message was conveyed to the Indian embassy in Washington after a senior State Department official tried unsuccessfully to reach Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao, who is travelling in Sri Lanka. India is not the only country the U.S. has alerted. The documents which will go live on the Internet beginning in the next 24 to 48 hours consist of cables sent by American embassies around the world — but especially in India, Israel, Russia, Turkey, Canada and Britain — to the State Department in Washington. Since such cables are meant to be confidential, it is standard practice for the diplomats writing them to be candid and blunt in their assessments and sometimes even disrespectful to officials and leaders in their host countries. It is this aspect of the forthcoming leak which is particularly worrying U.S. diplomats. Some cables could also contain information about surreptitious activity by U.S. missions. It is not clear what time period the cables cover but previous WikiLeaks disclosures have tended to range over the past five or six years. This is a period when the U.S. and India were locked in detailed and sometimes testy negotiations over nuclear commerce and defence cooperation. The documents, said to be over seven times more than the recently leaked U.S. secret war logs from Iraq, have been reportedly taken from the Secret Protocol Router Network (SIPRNet) used to transmit classified information to the U.S. Defence and State Departments. WikiLeaks had earlier received a video from SIPRNet that showed three deliberate attacks by a U.S. Army helicopter in Iraq that killed two newspersons and children beside several civilians. According to The Independent, the U.S. ambassador in London had informed the British government about some of the contents of the documents that are likely to be released. Similar meetings were also reported from Turkey, Israel, Canada, Denmark, Norway and Australia. AFP adds from Washington: U.S. diplomats skipped their Thanksgiving holiday weekend and headed to foreign ministries hoping to stave off anger over the cables, which are internal messages that often lack the niceties diplomats voice in public. :hehe: “WikiLeaks are an absolutely awful impediment to my business, which is to be able to have discussions in confidence with people. I do not understand the motivation for releasing these documents,” said James Jeffrey, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq. http://www.hindu.com/2010/11/28/stories/2010112850650100.htm ======================================= Some really blunt assessments coming up :hmmm: Sunday bloody Sunday

[punjabi_khota]

:nice: Looking forward to the juicy tidbits

[hari504504]

Some sneak preview on the tidbits.. apparently US was actively supporting the PKK militia..which has been a thorn on the sides of countries like Iran and Turkey. If the documents do indeed leak-out, expect a massive change in an already Radicalising Turkey under Erdogan. Wouldn't be surprised if the CIA had an active role to play in Kashmir... anxiously waiting for the docs... although I don't see any strong response coming from Madam or her puppet Singh

[Clarke]

Wouldn't be surprised if the CIA had an active role to play in Kashmir... anxiously waiting for the docs... although I don't see any strong response coming from Madam or her puppet Singh

Post 2001 ? I don't think so. This has more to do about blunt language than anything else.

[Sir john]

interesting to see what will happen now. :--D

[hari504504]

Post 2001 ? I don't think so. This has more to do about blunt language than anything else.

If it turns out to be true that they have been arming the PKK..which fights against one of their strongest middle eastern allies -Turkey..then I would put nothing beyond em..

[Sachinism]

Wikileaks currently under a mass DDoS attack Wonder who's behind that - hahaha

[Sachinism]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?_r=1 and the leak has started

[Sachinism]

Guardian: WikiLeaks documents contain allegations of "inappropriate behaviour" by a member of the British royal family. oooh interesting :D Guardian's interactive map of cables http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-wikileaks Guardians list of documents http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/series/us-embassy-cables-the-documents

[Sachinism]

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia repeatedly asks America to attack Iran to stop its nuclear programme. He warns that if Tehran develops a nuclear weapon, then so will the Saudis and other countries in the region.

[Sachinism]

Saudi donors remain chief financiers of militant groups like al-Qaida - NYT

[Sachin=GOD]

I have a feeling that all this WikiLeaks thing is actually controlled by the US and they want to release these documents for some political/military/strategic reasons but obviously could'nt do it through the official channels so WikiLeaks comes out.

[Clarke]

Some major news here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?hp Nothing yet on India since wikileaks is experiencing heavy real/virtual traffic A dangerous standoff with Pakistan over nuclear fuel: Since 2007, the United States has mounted a highly secret effort, so far unsuccessful, to remove from a Pakistani research reactor highly enriched uranium that American officials fear could be diverted for use in an illicit nuclear device. In May 2009, Ambassador Anne W. Patterson reported that Pakistan was refusing to schedule a visit by American technical experts because, as a Pakistani official said, “if the local media got word of the fuel removal, ‘they certainly would portray it as the United States taking Pakistan’s nuclear weapons,’ he argued.” Gaming out an eventual collapse of North Korea: American and South Korean officials have discussed the prospects for a unified Korea, should the North’s economic troubles and political transition lead the state to implode. The South Koreans even considered commercial inducements to China, according to the American ambassador to Seoul. She told Washington in February that South Korean officials believe that the right business deals would “help salve” China’s “concerns about living with a reunified Korea” that is in a “benign alliance” with the United States. A global computer hacking effort: China’s Politburo directed the intrusion into Google’s computer systems in that country, a Chinese contact told the American Embassy in Beijing in January, one cable reported. The Google hacking was part of a coordinated campaign of computer sabotage carried out by government operatives, private security experts and Internet outlaws recruited by the Chinese government. They have broken into American government computers and those of Western allies, the Dalai Lama and American businesses since 2002, cables said. Mixed records against terrorism: Saudi donors remain the chief financiers of Sunni militant groups like Al Qaeda, and the tiny Persian Gulf state of Qatar, a generous host to the American military for years, was the “worst in the region” in counterterrorism efforts, according to a State Department cable last December. Qatar’s security service was “hesitant to act against known terrorists out of concern for appearing to be aligned with the U.S. and provoking reprisals,” the cable said. An intriguing alliance: American diplomats in Rome reported in 2009 on what their Italian contacts described as an extraordinarily close relationship between Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian prime minister, and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister and business magnate, including “lavish gifts,” lucrative energy contracts and a “shadowy” Russian-speaking Italian go-between. They wrote that Mr. Berlusconi “appears increasingly to be the mouthpiece of Putin” in Europe. The diplomats also noted that while Mr. Putin enjoys supremacy over all other public figures in Russia, he is undermined by an unmanageable bureaucracy that often ignores his edicts. Clashes with Europe over human rights: American officials sharply warned Germany in 2007 not to enforce arrest warrants for Central Intelligence Agency officers involved in a bungled operation in which an innocent German citizen with the same name as a suspected militant was mistakenly kidnapped and held for months in Afghanistan. A senior American diplomat told a German official “that our intention was not to threaten Germany, but rather to urge that the German government weigh carefully at every step of the way the implications for relations with the U.S.” Arms deliveries to militants: Cables describe the United States’ failing struggle to prevent Syria from supplying arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon, which has amassed a huge stockpile since its 2006 war with Israel. One week after President Bashar al-Assad promised a top State Department official that he would not send “new” arms to Hezbollah, the United States complained that it had information that Syria was providing increasingly sophisticated weapons to the group.

[Clarke]

In a diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks, Hillary Clinton refers to India as "a self-appointed frontrunner for a permanent UN security council seat." :hehe: The disclosure could put America in an embarrassing position. During his visit to India earlier this month, US President Barack Obama endorsed India as a candidate for a permanent place on the Security Council.

[hari504504]

I have a feeling that all this WikiLeaks thing is actually controlled by the US and they want to release these documents for some political/military/strategic reasons but obviously could'nt do it through the official channels so WikiLeaks comes out.

Especially the Saudi bit is suspicious... now the Iranians will be looking towards Saudi also instead of Israel.... just imagine what would happen if Iran is bombed in the coming weeks ..who will they retailiate against ?..certainly limits the damages that Israel may take if the response is dispersed between Israel and Saudi instead of Israel taking the brunt of it... Also apparently King Abdullah called Zardari something that amounts to 'a cancerous head'..and how it would affect the 'rest of the body' As far as US backing our candidacy in UNSC..I never once believed that will be true...US and China will never let us in...

[Sachin=GOD]

Especially the Saudi bit is suspicious... now the Iranians will be looking towards Saudi also instead of Israel.... just imagine what would happen if Iran is bombed in the coming weeks ..who will they retailiate against ?..certainly limits the damages that Israel may take if the response is dispersed between Israel and Saudi instead of Israel taking the brunt of it... Also apparently King Abdullah called Zardari something that amounts to 'a cancerous head'..and how it would affect the 'rest of the body' As far as US backing our candidacy in UNSC..I never once believed that will be true...US and China will never let us in...

US will have to accomodate India in the UNSC sooner or later because with China flexing its muscles on the world stage and opposing US on a regular basis, US needs the support of emerging countries like India. Although I'm sure that if/when UNSC is expanded it will be more than 1 country that gets in because there are too many real contenders.

[Sachinism]

Two Iranian nuclear scientists have been attacked today in separate but similar attacks. One was killed and other wounded. Related anyhow?

[hari504504]

US will have to accomodate India in the UNSC sooner or later because with China flexing its muscles on the world stage and opposing US on a regular basis' date=' US needs the support of emerging countries like India. Although I'm sure that if/when UNSC is expanded it will be more than 1 country that gets in because there are too many real contenders.[/quote'] Support is one thing.. trust is another.. India would make the odd vote in the UN against US enemies like Iran..but will we ever provide troops if US decides to hit Iran,,not in a million yrs... infact India would be as opposed to it as China or Russia... and this is unlike the other US blood-brothers like Australia... we are not true friends with the US - it is more of a convenient 'friendship' Nope..no matter who comes into power..democrats or republicans.. we must learnt to contend with a non-permanent UN seat (which is pretty much the same as a permanent seat without a veto)

[hari504504]

Two Iranian nuclear scientists have been attacked today in separate but similar attacks. One was killed and other wounded. Related anyhow?

Now Iran will be wondering whotf realy did that.. wikileaks doing its job

[b555]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11860928