No UDRS in South Africa-India Tests

[Karan114]

South Africa in favour of UDRS for India Tests Firdose Moonda October 24, 2010 South Africa are in favour of using the Umpire Decision Review System (UDRS) in their upcoming Test series against India. Gerald Majola, Chief Executive Officer of Cricket South Africa (CSA), confirmed to ESPNcricinfo that the board is still negotiating with its Indian counterparts over whether the system will be used during the end-of-year tour. "We have to persuade India because at the moment they don't want it," said Majola. As per ICC regulations, the host team can take the take the call on whether to use UDRS, in consultation with the visiting country. Majola said the South African players want to use the system because they think "it's the most fair way for decisions to be made." South African captain Graeme Smith voiced his conditional approval for the UDRS in a more measured manner. "Technology is obviously an important way forward in cricket. It will be beneficial to the game and the players are behind. I think if the Umpire Decision Review System (UDRS) is going to be successful it needs to be implemented properly by the ICC and not on a 50/50 basis like we have seen so far," Smith said. "It must be used all of the time and not for selective series' like we see now." Recent history may explain Smith's issue with consistency. In their last four Test series, South Africa have used the UDRS three times. They first used it against Australia in the 2008-09 season, then against England at home last season and, most recently, in their three-test series in the West Indies in June. They did not use it in the series in India in February this year, when the choice lay with the hosts. India have made no secret of their dislike for the system since they first used it in a series against Sri Lanka in 2008. In the three-Test series, India made only one successful review, compared to Sri Lanka's 11. They haven't used it since then, with senior players such as Sachin Tendulkar openly saying they prefer Hot Spot, as they feel it is a more accurate tool for establishing contact between bat and ball or pad. There is the possibility that Hot Spot will be used during the South Africa-India series, even though it was part of the production in the recently-completed series between South Africa and Zimbabwe. Hotspot was used during the England tour. The broadcasting rights have since changed hands. Previously the national broadcaster, the South African Broadcast Corporation, was responsible for the production; now Supersport is. Both services still broadcast live matches. The exact implements to be used in the series will be decided in the coming weeks. It is almost certain that South Africa will have ball-tracking technology, Super Slo-Mo and a clear stump mike, the three requirements needed for the UDRS system, should India change their mind. The first Test starts in Centurion on December 16. http://www.cricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2010/content/story/483328.html

[Sid]

Hope BCCI agrees to it this time

[Andy]

If BCCI Doesnt then :finger:

[fineleg]

SA is footing the bill, and will provide Hot Spot also. If BCCI decline this, our players cant even bat an eyelid when the umpires shaft them on LBW or some other stupid decisions.

[cowboysfan]

is sachin playing in this test series?

[Andy]

is sachin playing in this test series?

What made you think BCCI would Rest Sachin for this Series or Sachin will Skip himself?

[fineleg]

is sachin playing in this test series?

why are u asking? Are u implying he will say No to the UDRS. Yep, he most likely will do that.

[cowboysfan]

why are u asking? Are u implying he will say No to the UDRS. Yep, he most likely will do that.

yes.we have to come to a conclusion that india will never play with udrs for the next 2 years.i am resigned to this fact.

[FairCricket]

Why india Not like UDRS ? i cant figure it out . some one with brain can think of this 1 . indian players are so stupid , therefor they dont knw how to use it properly ? please correct me if im wrong :cantstop: http://www.cricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2010/content/current/story/483328.html

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Umpire Decision Review: The players' point of view Even as the ICC and various boards argue about its implementation, Bikash Mohapatra finds out what the players have to say about the UDRS. More... Umpire Decision Review System (UDRS). The name itself spells two divergent opinions. While the boards of Australia and Sri Lanka are very much in favour of the use of the same, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) opposes its use vehemently. India and Sri Lanka were the first teams to use UDRS in a three-Test series in July-August 2008, but since that tour the Indian board has always opposed it. Under the current rules, the host country gets to decide whether UDRS will be used and that has helped the various boards to pursue with their respective viewpoints. While the UDRS wasn't used in the just-concluded India-Australia series, it will be used in the upcoming World Cup considering the latter is an ICC event. Even as the ICC and the various boards argue about its implementation, we bring what the players have to say about the UDRS. It is, after all, a system for the players. So it is essentially to understand their opinion, as to why they advocate it, if at all, or the reasons for their resentment. 'I am not too convinced with the UDRS' The Master Blaster is not a big supporter of the UDRS, but is a tad hesitant to admit the same. "If we have something foolproof, it is great," he says, adding, "The last time I saw the hot spot, I was quite impressed." On being prodded further, Tendulkar says, "If we have a system that is close to 100 per cent, it would be interesting to try it out. "But we need to be convinced. You cannot expect overnight results." There's an honest admission in the end though. "There were occasions in the past when I wasn't too convinced with the UDRS," he says, in a matter-of-fact tone. 'It is not a 100 per cent correct system' The India captain's viewpoint is far clearer. MS Dhoni is not in favour of the UDRS, at least not in its current avatar. "UDRS is still not a 100 per cent correct system," he says categorically, before going onto elaborate his point. "We have seen that, in spite of having the UDRS, not everything goes correct," says Dhoni, adding, "Most of the teams have played a series under the system and are aware how it works. "So it is important now to come up with a foolproof plan." 'I am a big supporter of the UDRS' Australia's captain has an opinion completely different from his Indian counterpart. "I am a big supporter of the UDRS," declares Ponting, adding, "The system will get you far more correct decisions than you get without it." The Tasmanian also believes its implementation will help both the players as well as the umpires. "We know how tough it is for the umpires to decide," he argues, adding, "And a bad decision is also tough on the players." 'The ICC is taking the right steps' 'The Wall' takes a very cautious approach when asked his views on the topic, something similar to the manner in which he bats. "If the technology can be proved foolproof and acceptable, there's no harm going for it," says Dravid, before dropping in a hint of skepticism. "But there's a lot of ambiguity as regards technology," he says, adding, "If we can have the same system in place in every series, it would be good." Dravid, however, believes there is time before the system is implemented. "I don't think we are completely there, but we are getting there," he says, adding, "The ICC is taking the right steps in that direction." 'It has to be the responsibility of an umpire' Zaheer Khan has a very pragmatic view on the subject. "There are a few bad calls. But they are always there," he argues. The left-arm seamer believes if at all some technology is used, it should benefit the umpires first. "If any technology has to be used, it has to be the responsibility of an umpire," says Zaheer, adding, "They should be in the position to use it if need be." 'With technology we can undo human error' Ben Hilfenhaus might have had more wickets to his name had the UDRS been used in the recent Test series. The Australian, no wonder, advocates the use of the same. "Obviously, there is technology out that that needs to be used," he says. However, it is not that Hilfenhaus has any grudge against the umpires. "The umpires are doing a good job," he says, adding, "But with technology we can undo human error."

[thevortex]

yes.we have to come to a conclusion that india will never play with udrs for the next 2 years.i am resigned to this fact.

Amen :). On another note, I am curious to find out what improvements have been done to Hawkeye as was mentioned in some other thread. You know the funny thing was that the proponents of Hawkeye never thought that there was a need for improvement in the technology to start off! And if Hot Spot is there, I dont think India will say no.

[jaggadaku]

Isn't it Home side's call whether they want UDRS or not?

[DomainK]

BCCI will say no to UDRS. No doubt about that. I wish they had the sense to get used to UDRS before the world cup.

[Zap_Brannigan]

Isnt UDRS going to be used in WC? How can Sachin expect Dhoni and India to get it right in the WC if we never use it before? With only 3 appeals, it is very important to learn when to ask and when to let go.

[Ram]

Ironically, It was the whole Sydney test fiasco and the atrocious umpiring of the Bucknor-Benson combo that was literally the starting point of UDRS. It was us who spurred its creation in the first place, but now, we’re leading the charge to prevent it from being implemented. What is BCCI’s position on the issue of UDRS? Why are they opposing it? It would be pretty bemusing to everyone if they feel the technology used is not adequate and they wont accept it, unless there’s hot-spot as well. But BCCI is running a high-risk strategy by continuing to keep UDRS at bay. Can anyone imagine the amount of outrage and outcry that would have happened, had we lost the first test at Mohali, especially given the nature of Ishant’s dismissal? It takes only one test loss to turn the argument in the opposite direction.

[vaibhav_delhi]

I am afraid tht sach,dhoni and zak have got it completely wrong there. Strange tht evryone else in the country knows its benefits but the guys who matter dont.

[pensionplan]

I say go for it. You got nothing to lose in an away series where home teams get away with marginal calls anyway for most part and UDRS reduces that affect to an extent.

[fineleg]

I say go for it. You got nothing to lose in an away series where home teams get away with marginal calls anyway for most part and UDRS reduces that affect to an extent.

Interesting username!

[pensionplan]

Interesting username!

Yes I thought I would take advantage of the character limit allowed for while choosing the username.

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Lorgat: Let BCCI, CSA sort out UDRS The ICC has asked the BCCI and CSA to decide whether to use the highly debated UDRS during the full series in South Africa. More... Lorgat: Let BCCI, CSA sort out UDRS The ICC has asked the BCCI and CSA to decide whether to use the highly debated UDRS during the full series in South Africa. "The BCCI is still not convinced about the reliability of the technology in the Umpires Decision Review System. We would leave it to the BCCI and Cricket South Africa to come to an understanding (whether to use it or not)," said ICC CEO Haroon Lorgat at a media conference India's tour of South Africa begins with the first of the three Tests at Centurion on December 16. Lorgat was optimistic that India would finally get around to accepting the UDRS in every series they play. "A lot of players are happy with the system. I am confident in due course the BCCI would give consent (to use the system)," said Lorgat at the function to announce ICC's five-year commercial deal for an undisclosed amount with money transfer major MoneyGram International. Lorgat also said unless the host board puts everything in place for the proper use of the UDRS, it cannot be implemented, adding once everyone is convinced about the reliability of the system, it will be made mandatory in every series. "Even for the (2011) World Cup, for that matter, we don't have sufficient 'Hot Spot' cameras to be used," he said. "Discussions will go on between CSA and BCCI whether to use it (UDRS) or not and CSA will eventually make a decision in consultation with BCCI," Lorgat said. South Africa are in favour of the UDRS and CSA Chief Executive Gerald Majola said they are trying to convince India to use it in the Test series. "We have to persuade India because at the moment they don't want it," Majola said recently. According to ICC regulations, the host team can take a decision on the use of UDRS after consulting the visiting country and Majola said they want to implement the technology as "it's the most fair way for decisions to be made." However, the BCCI is not in favour of the system and have not agreed to using the UDRS in any series involving the country after the team got the wrong end of the system in the series in Sri Lanka a couple of years ago when they lost the Test rubber. UDRS was not used in the home two-match Test series against South Africa early this year as well as India's recently concluded Test series against Australia who had no problem in using the technology. The BCCI has also ruled out using it in next month's three-Test series against New Zealand. South Africa, on the other hand, have used the UDRS three times in their last four Test series against Australia in the 2008-09 season, against England at home last season and against West Indies in June. While former India captain Rahul Dravid approves the system, iconic batsman Sachin Tendulkar feels the use of technology must be foolproof before a call is taken on its implementation in matches. South African skipper Graeme Smith considers UDRS as beneficial to the game and wants ICC to implement it consistently.