Is VVS Laxman a better player than Goddy under pressure?

[Sachin=GOD]

Its quite amusing to see how some people, in order to prove that Laxman is the greatest Indian player under pressure, have very conveniently chosen to completely forget the 1990s where the entire Indian batting lineup revolved around one man - be it 2nd innings or 1st, Tests or ODIs, home or away, if that one man failed then more often than not the team also failed - talk about batting under pressure!!

[Shane]

Man' date=' that pot-smoking golti lone fan of laxman would be trippin' :icflove:[/quote'] :hysterical:

[akshayxyz]

This is pointless claim and hence pointless discussion. Even then, if one wants to calculate out this ultimate pressure man. Then first unanimously define pressure, - various kinds, situations etc.. and then one can go look at the past performances for the best match. Just based on few performances from the top of the memory - is amateurish and is not gong to lead anywhere.

[CSK Fan]

we have a million threads on how good Tendulkar has been ' date=' why is it difficult to come out and admit that VVS is miles ahead of any other batsmen when it comes to playing under pressure ?[/quote'] Because this thread is not about how good VVS is. Its a needless comparison between VVS and Sachin. As for you, you will support Bhajji's batting against Sachin

[sudheer kumar]

Because this thread is not about how good VVS is. Its a needless comparison between VVS and Sachin.

Exactly ........... There is no need of this comparison

[vaibhav_delhi]

100 against lanka on the final day to level the series. 9th wkt match winning partnership with ishant against the aussies in mohali. Match saving 7th wkt partnership with bhajji against kiwis in the 1st test. 96in the last test agaisnt SA. These are laxmans 4 match winner/saving contributions in the last 7 test matches. Got to be the best clutch player in the world currently. I have been saying this frm day one.

[vaibhav_delhi]

This is pointless claim and hence pointless discussion. Even then, if one wants to calculate out this ultimate pressure man. Then first unanimously define pressure, - various kinds, situations etc.. and then one can go look at the past performances for the best match. Just based on few performances from the top of the memory - is amateurish and is not gong to lead anywhere.

Thats an average post man. laxman is certainly the best clutch player in test matches currently. Lets not fool ourselves.

[zen]

47 votes to VVS, 11 to SRT Btw, I see that some folks are complaining (as usual) about a comparison where SRT doesn't quite measure up. But rest assured that when Tendulkar hits a 100, some of them would be the first ones to take a dig at other players and try to show how he is the greatest :hysterical:

[Sachin=GOD]

47 votes to VVS, 11 to SRT Btw, I see that some folks are complaining (as usual) about a comparison where SRT doesn't quite measure up. But rest assured that when Tendulkar hits a 100, some of them would be the first ones to take a dig at other players and try to show how he is the greatest :hysterical:

but rest assured if he does'nt score in 1 or 2 innings, you will be the first one to take a dig at him and try to show how bad a player he is.

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[vaibhav_delhi]

When I think of sachin's best test innings, unfortunately i think of that chennai 100 where he couldnt take india across the line against pakistan.

[Sachinism]

47 votes to VVS, 11 to SRT Btw, I see that some folks are complaining (as usual) about a comparison where SRT doesn't quite measure up. But rest assured that when Tendulkar hits a 100, some of them would be the first ones to take a dig at other players and try to show how he is the greatest :hysterical:

Never happens But sounds very similar to how your posts pan out

[zen]

Appears as if some folks think that the 100 Sachin hit at Centurian where Sehwag (63), GG (80) and Dhoni (90) delivered too is equivalent to the 90 odd that Laxman hit at Durban .... I guess the 36 he hit in the first inning, when Dhoni and Bhajji made 33 and 27 respectively was also a knock in pressure cooker situation with others failing (by others I mean we don't have to look at the scorecard but how Tendulkar scored more than the guy he is being compared to) And innings like that are probably included in the mountain of stats :hysterical: Of late, if I am not wrong, with the exception of the recent Australian series (home conditions), I have observed that Tendulkar usually fires when the openers (esp Sehwag) do well. When he has had to come in early and face the newish ball in testing conditions, he hasn't delivered as per the expectations :--D

[zen]

Never happens But sounds very similar to how your posts pan out

Appears as if you haven't followed the greatest batsman threads or you probably only read my posts w/o understanding the context:giggle:

[akshayxyz]

Thats an average post man. laxman is certainly the best clutch player in test matches currently. Lets not fool ourselves.

If you missed this previous post of mine - here is the mathematical explanation of the perception being established in this thread. ----------------------------- Cricket is a team sport. Sachin is one of the best batsman who can play at any position. He happens to play at top of the order. Laxman is also world class batsman, and plays at lower-middle order. Laxman is more likely to land in situations - playing with tail-enders. Hence VVS is more likely to see games through the finish line in the company of tail enders. This does not mean that Sachin can not capable of doing what VVS has done recently. In fact he has numerous 'clutch(er) situation' instances to his credit. What Laxman did is great, but it is uncalled for to pull Sachin in this "best pressure situation player". On top of that - creating a poll with binary choices, just at the 'right time'.. Sachin vs Laxman - is plain dumb, childish. And this "pressure" talk is superficial. That is why I said -if one really wants to explore this "ultimate-pressure-man" - then take time to define various pressure situations - then look back at stats. But then again, that still would be in hindsight, and would not mean that there is no other player than 'best' player who can handle such situation.

[vaibhav_delhi]

Appears as if some folks think that the 100 Sachin hit at Centurian where Sehwag (63), GG (80) and Dhoni (90) delivered too is equivalent to the 90 odd that Laxman hit at Durban .... I guess the 36 he hit in the first inning, when Dhoni and Bhajji made 33 and 27 respectively was also a knock in pressure cooker situation with others failing (by others I mean we don't have to look at the scorecard but how Tendulkar scored more than the guy he is being compared to) And innings like that are probably included in the mountain of stats :hysterical:

And thank god tht people see on-field performances not those meaningless stats.

[zen]

If you missed this previous post of mine - here is the mathematical explanation of the perception being established in this thread. ----------------------------- Cricket is a team sport. Sachin is one of the best batsman who can play at any position. He happens to play at top of the order. Sachin plays in the middle order :winky: Laxman is also world class batsman, and plays at lower-middle order. Laxman is more likely to land in situations - playing with tail-enders. Hence VVS is more likely to see games through the finish line in the company of tail enders.

Please take a look at the 2nd innings scorecard http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2010/engine/match/463147.html ^ Did VVS help Ind get a defendable total because he happens to bat with the tail? PS If you can understand what's being implied then you would also understand that the pressure situation is already defined!

[HowardRoark]

Because this thread is not about how good VVS is. Its a needless comparison between VVS and Sachin. As for you' date= you will support Bhajji's batting against Sachin

Exactly! I do not vote these kind of meaningless polls as it is impossible to define things like pressure or the value of an innings as it is a team sport and there are too many variables involved.

[vaibhav_delhi]

If you missed this previous post of mine - here is the mathematical explanation of the perception being established in this thread. ----------------------------- Cricket is a team sport. Sachin is one of the best batsman who can play at any position. He happens to play at top of the order. Laxman is also world class batsman, and plays at lower-middle order. Laxman is more likely to land in situations - playing with tail-enders. Hence VVS is more likely to see games through the finish line in the company of tail enders. This does not mean that Sachin can not capable of doing what VVS has done recently. In fact he has numerous 'clutch(er) situation' instances to his credit. What Laxman did is great, but it is uncalled for to pull Sachin in this "best pressure situation player". On top of that - creating a poll with binary choices, just at the 'right time'.. Sachin vs Laxman - is plain dumb, childish. And this "pressure" talk is superficial. That is why I said -if one really wants to explore this "ultimate-pressure-man" - then take time to define various pressure situations - then look back at stats. But then again, that still would be in hindsight, and would not mean that there is no other player than 'best' player who can handle such situation.

Sachin is the best batsman - absolutely true 'pressure' talk is superficial - absolutely false. It is obvious that laxman plays the best when stakes are very very high and chips are down. Sachin is a superb player under pressure himself but vvs is simply the best. Just like there are flat track players, there are players who crumble under pressure and players who excel under pressure.

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